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The road map of Celtis
Posted: Posted February 10th, 2010 by Robun
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I am currently drawing a road map of Celtis. The northern half is almost ended.

- Here is a physical map (a part of the map of Corantia posted last september) : http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3350/celtis3kc.jpg

- And the new road map : http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6297/celtisn.jpg

Drawing such a map needs a long work, but it is very fun !

(Celtis is a country in an earth-like world. It's why there are many similarities with our world. The language is "langue Franche", which is almost the same as french. The reason is I created this world when I was a child, and I speak french... But other countries use other languages.)

The next step would be to write a tour guide. I have already written the history of Celtis (and other countries), so the tour guide will be the conclusion (history + geography --> tourism !).

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Wow, the new road map is huge! And the level of details is amazing. I could never come up with so many names for cities, villages etc. How long has it taken you to create it?

Posted February 15th, 2010 by Avaronald
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I could never come up with so many names for cities, villages etc. How long has it taken you to create it?

Very good question ! :)

The map has been made slowly, during some evenings or sundays. I began it last november (and it is not finished). Of course, it uses the geologic and geomorphologic study of Celtis I have been made last years. But it's not a huge work. In fact, the more tiring is to imagine names. It's why I have a trick : the names file.

This is a huge text file with all geographic names of my world. This file has been completed step by step since 2006. Before 2006, I created some names without checking if it still exist, and (more important) without creating languages. In 2006, I decided to begin again. I created a text file with all the names previously used. Then, I created hints for the languages. Just hints. I gathered together the names which have similarites, so I obtain a file with the old names reorganized.

The next years, I added some names from time to time. For example, I saw in a forum a pseudo which could become a maraquin name (Maraquin is the langage of Belicia, Moscorea, Valmoe and Evanea) : Frimayo. Today, Frimayo is one of the oldest cities of Belicia.

In Celtis, I organized names according to the geographical regions. For example, the names in East often finish with vowel+c (or q) or vowel+t : Saint-Remi-de-Rac, Castellac, Viq-le-Neuf, Lebrot, Andelot... The file was very useful for this reorganization, it contains names for each provinces.

Here is an example of this file (today, it is a HTML file, more pleasant to look at) :

(Hints for the language ; regions ; islands ; rivers ; cities)

<b>> GRANDE ALBE (Alb)</b></p>


<u>Langue :</u>Alba (variante éloignée du Selba).
<ul>
<li> fins en 'Vc', 'Vn', 'Vs' ou plus rarement 'V', 'Vr'
<li> lettres 'm', 'r' et 'u' assez courante (contrairement au Selba)
<li> 'ch' rare
<li> consonnes doubles : 'sc', 'rs', 'sp'
<li> voyelles doubles : 'aa', 'oo'
<li> son 'and'
<li> Remarque : le mot "hamac" est de langue Alba.
</ul>

Régions : Abora - Andilac - Ascas - Baalbac - Boota - Buc - Caradoc - Caras - Carseroc - Caspac - Catarac - Curceli - Cursac - Cuspac - Ican - Moorec - Naroc - Nicas - Oriman - Orinoc - Oroman - Scavon - Tanoc - Yaban - Yalbec - Yarcan - Yaspac.</p>

Îles : Baruc (une des Petites Albes) - Cabaras - Calduc - Charmac - Cotac - Curuc - Jarcan (une des Petites Albes) - Mandac - Moati - Ogini - Samuc - Sanjuc - Tuc - Turuc - Ulaspac - Urapac - Yavari - Yayac.</p>

Fleuves : Abalic [v. Balic] - Arandi - Asicola - Balic - Cameni [fleuve principal] - Caricori - Cirso - Curandi - Eramac - Ipala - Latilac - Pacola - Pariga - Raloc - Ramac - Vascalan - Yayanic.</p>

Villes : Ac Catatoni - Ac Scamani - Alcaaro - Balan Baruc [v. Baruc] - Balan Basca - Balan Paana - Bascan - Bonigor - Bo Bandoc - Bo Canda - Bo Lago - Braca - Caala Baruc [v. Baruc] - Caala Bomoroc - Caala Botatan [grande ville] - Caala Curo - Caala Cursac [v. Cursac] - Caala Yascula - Caligero - Calicosca - Cali Yarsa - Canduc [ville ancienne] - Can Pere - Caritina - Caspati - Catasar - Catiscari - Cosa Bisican - Cosa Lago - Curascan - Cutan Saari - Larmosca - Lasca - Malban - Mantica [grande ville] - Maranduc (=Marinduc, capitale) - Mascari [grande ville] - Molbe Cosicon - Octabor - Pacan Tuc [V. Tuc] - Pan Atina - Pan Caali - Pan Pacto - Rascari - Rascam Boori - Rilati [grande ville] - Seritina - Tacan Tica - Talgo - Vaasa Boroc - Vaasa Cosicon - Vaasa Valibor - Vaasa Vaspac - Valati - Vantisca - Yargo Yasca.</p>


Thanks to such a list, creating the map of Grande-Albe (this name is in langue Franche, not in Alba) will be easier. Without it, I will lost time by searching new names...

Posted February 15th, 2010 by Robun
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Robun
 

A good idea. I should also make such a file before I continue developing Avaron's map.

Posted February 16th, 2010 by Avaronald
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My only major critique is that it looks a bit too regular/even. Although this may be for lack of detailed examination; perhaps if coloured more boldly I would be able to more easily see unevenness.

I don't mean regular as in shape (shape is good), but just that the web of roads covers too much, too evenly. If there were more barren areas where there weren't roads, it would be a bit more realistic- and if there were more useless roads.

Spend some time on good maps, most places on Earth, one can be astounded by the inefficiency. Sometimes [often!] roads just get built in useless places because a senator/emperor/whatever has a mistress somewhere, and he wants to cut down on his/her commute- or a contractor somewhere sweetened a pot with a bribe.

Posted February 16th, 2010 by Blake
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Thank you Blake for your comments ! What I appreciate from you is thay you are demanding. But this is the best way to progress... :)

My only major critique is that it looks a bit too regular/even.

I agree, but not totally...

Look at a map of France : it is 99 % regular.
Look at a map of California : the opposite.

Celtis is an intermediate case, but more similar to France.

The area presented on this map has latitude from about 47° to 57°. The oceanic climate is the same as in northern France (47°-50°), England, Ireland (52°-55°) and Scotland (55°-57°). The eastern region is more continental, about the same as Germany. I own a road atlas of Europe (at the same scale) and was inspired by it. For example, the Fiermont province (the northern province of Celtis) has similarities with Scotland. There are not many roads.

But I am a little disappointed, not by Fiermont but by the eastern provinces : the global view seems too even, you are right. Celtis is a modern nation without deserts and, as Europe countries, the road network is well developped. But the forests regions (north-east) are too regular. I would prefered to have large areas without roads and other areas with more density. Nevertheless, there is differences of densities. Not very impressive, but perhaps more realistic than my aesthetic preferences. (If I want to have great areas without roads and cities, I would have to create Celtis in an other place !) I don't know, and it is not very important for me since I think this is enough realistic for me.

Spend some time on good maps, most places on Earth

I love to watch maps and I own maps of many places in the World. When creating imaginary maps, I often use real maps. Celtis is like European countries, but for example there is a large continent which looks like Australia : when I will draw the maps of this continent, I will use my Australia maps.

Posted February 16th, 2010 by Robun
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Robun
 

Up to you, of course, but I think your hypothetical edit you mentioned would at least be interesting to try out and see how it looks :)

Posted February 17th, 2010 by Blake
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I think it's an astonishing work. You must be very patient, both in your work and in the organization of your writings. Mine are far more messy and if I tried to put up such files like you did, I would probably end up half way done.

Those maps look great. Especially because their are hand drawn. I really like the mountains with this "shading". From childhood on I always enjoyed looking at maps and atlases (is that the right plural??) and I can see that passion running throughout your work.
I really don't feel like critizising anything, just keep up the good work.

By the way, what is your profession? Maybe you will have a look at the works of HandsomeRob, since he is a professional cartographer, for inspiration.

Posted February 17th, 2010 by vaja
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vaja
 

Thank you Vaja !

You must be very patient, both in your work and in the organization of your writings.

In my opinion, the harder is to begin. In this map, I began by one of the most little province, it was more easy.

if I tried to put up such files like you did, I would probably end up half way done.

Note that my map is only half done... (In fact, there will be a second map for the southern regions, I already began it.)

From childhood on I always enjoyed looking at maps and atlases (is that the right plural??) and I can see that passion running throughout your work.

Like me ! When I was a child, one of my games was to draw maps of imaginary worlds. Then, with my brother, we played with our worlds. This is how began Celtis and its planet... Of course, I loved to read atlases, and my father's suffered because of me : at about five years old, I invented a country drawing it directly on the atlas ! (south of Tunisia, where there was place to add a country... :))

what is your profession?

Math teacher (very useful for map projections...) When I was a child, I wanted to be cartographer, but after my teenage years, I forgot that, thinking it was not very serious. Maybe a mistake...

Maybe you will have a look at the works of HandsomeRob

His maps are probably the best imaginary maps I have ever seen. But I am affraid there are too difficult for me to inspire...

Posted February 17th, 2010 by Robun
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Robun
 

That's a really good map.

Posted February 18th, 2010 by Cheka Man
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Another teacher here, that's great. I'm becoming a teacher for physics and english and I also find it useful for conworlding.

So basically you developed the world you thought of in your earliest years? For me, conwolrding is more collecting the shards of ideas that run through my brain all the time. Your work looks so dedicated and straight-forward, it seems well organized. How long have you modeled the world in your mind, before you drew the map? Was it a concrete image in your mind you started from, or did your world form while you made those maps?

Posted February 18th, 2010 by vaja
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