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What is the point of non-orthodox religions in the modern world?

Posted 2 Weeks ago by I killed Mufasa

I don't really understand why in the modern era, why say, Christians, wouldn't all move to orthodox Christianity since it should stand to reason that it's the most pure, least tainted variant of Christianity that exists. It's based the most closely on the source material. I can understand why people were Protestants or Catholics in the past when the world was less educated or literally didn't have access to anything else, but if I was religious I would personally want the variant of the religion the closest possible to the original source material. Anything else just seems distorted, second hand, and having undergone too many translations, modifications, and coats of paint. The same goes for Islam and Judaism, same question, why wouldn't religious people in those groups want to be Orthodox and get a more pure experience? And again, I'm not religious, and I don't really get religion. This is a purely pragmatic question.

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I would hazard an educated guess that it's for the same reasons that most people have any religion to begin with. It's easy, they were indoctrinated, they don't know about other forms of the religion, they just don't give a shit, etc.

When someone starts thinking about actual, real methods for determining which religion to follow (i.e. thought processes that aren't just blind emotion), they get closer and closer to the realization that no religion is the "right" one. It is a vested interest of a religion to ensure that people reach an irrelevant conclusion for the wrong reasons.

2 Weeks ago
CZM
 

I've come to the conclusion that if I was going to choose a religion it would be Orthodox Judaism. It came first and all these imitators are all about expanding and spreading religion and power and influence. Where as Othodox Jews actively have a word for non-Jews. Gentile. They don't care about how big their numbers are, they just stick together and believe with all their heart what they believe without pressuring people into it or trying to control the masses. Also Israel is literally right next to the Med Sea so that flood thing probably happened after the last ice age as water came in from the straight of Gibraltar.

2 Weeks ago
I killed Mufasa
 

orthodox Christianity


I can understand why people were Protestants or Catholics in the past


What's your definition of "orthodox christianity" here? Catholics, eastern orthodox and coptics are all splits from the original church (which hasn't existed for a thousand years). Protestants consider themselves to be closer to the source because they believe the catholics/etc corrupted the church over time.

The same goes for Islam and Judaism, same question, why wouldn't religious people in those groups want to be Orthodox and get a more pure experience?


Well Islam had a similar problem as the christian church -- it split a bunch of times for differences of opinion and either the different sects are all orthodox or none of them are. I'm not that familiar with judaism's branches.

I've come to the conclusion that if I was going to choose a religion it would be Orthodox Judaism. It came first


Zoroastrianism predates judaism and is basically a judaeo-christian religion -- has a similar mindset on good/evil and heavily influenced all of the religions in that category.

Under closer inspection though it uses words/concepts that are cognates of vedic words (like Ahura/Asura, Daeva/Deva, Mitra/Mithra) and zoroastrianism itself was probably a Protestant-style reformation of ancient vedic religion. Vedic texts are also the oldest remaining holy texts, so that fits.

Tl;dr Hinduism is probably the closest to the source. I'm biased though.

2 Weeks ago
Riven
 

Sikhism and Naziri Ismaili Sevener Shi’ism are the only two religions I know about* that I would trust in government.
Some Sikh saints have been martyred protecting the religious freedom of non-Sikhs.
The Naziri believe that if evidence and reason contradict the Koran, you must have been reading the Koran wrong. They don’t think it’s God’s will that we let scripture and authority override reason and evidence.

*(There may be others I don’t know about.)

EDIT: should be Nizari not Naziri.

2 Weeks ago
chiarizio
 

I'm again biased, but I think Hinduism wins out as being the most inclusive religion -- they're not just tolerant, they claim judaeo-christian religions as a subset of their own religion. If you institutionalize it you get castes though, so mixed bag.

Naziri Ismaili Sevener Shi’ism


I'm not familiar with that religon (or sect?). What's it about?

2 Weeks ago
Riven
 

Orthodox Judaism. It came first


Tl;dr Hinduism is probably the closest to the source. I'm biased though.


The religion of the proto-Indo-European peoples predates Judaism and Hinduism both. The PIE folk of the central Eurasian steppe worshiped a pantheon of gods seven thousand or more years ago who eventually evolved into figures seen in traditions including the Vedic, Slavic, Germanic, Iranian, Celtic, etc.

Typically, chiefest among the PIE pantheon was Deus Pater, whose epithet eventually came to be appropriated by the Christians who spoke the Latin which descended from PIE language over the course of five thousand years. In the mean time, the root term "dyaus" had also evolved into other forms such as "Zeus", "Jupiter", "deva", "tiwaz", "dei", etc.

They also worshiped a storm-god, Perkwunos, who wielded a hammer and fought an evil serpent. This character's mythological reflexes appear to have informed characters from Thor to Perun to, indeed, the Indra of Vedic myth.

The various other predating elements are prohibitively numerous. This is just what I remember off the top of my head. Not that this means that the PIE tradition is the oldest, just pointing out that it predates Judaism and Hinduism. Sumerian myth also likely predates the Vedic, though it's a lot closer. Sumerian is also pretty nuts just in the sense that it's a language isolate - they just did their own thing and had a grand old time making their own culture and mythology with no interference or cross-pollination from other cultures. Attempts to tie Sumerian myth/language to earlier cultures have mainly failed. Absolute Chads, pure culture.

2 Weeks ago
CZM
 

@Riven:
I'm not familiar with that religon (or sect?). What's it about?

Shi’a is a kind of Islam.
Sevener is a kind of Shi’ite.
Ismaili is a kind of Sevener.
Nizari is a kind of Ismaili.
(I misspelled Nizari in the posts before this one.)
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The Aga Khan is the modern leader of the Nizari Ismaili Seveners.
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The “Assassins” of the game “Assassins’ Creed” are supposed to be Nizari Ismaili Seveners.
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If you read the Wikipedia article about them, it explains them better than I could.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizari_Isma%27ilism
The Nizaris (Arabic: النزاريون‎, romanized: al-Nizāriyyūn, Persian: نزاریان‎, romanized: Nezāriyān) are the largest segment of the Ismaili Muslims, who are the second-largest branch of Shia Islam after the Twelvers.[1]

Nizari teachings emphasize human reasoning or ijtihad—using educated, independent reasoning in solving legal questions;

pluralism—the acceptance of racial, ethnic, cultural and inter-religious differences;

and social justice.[2]


2 Weeks ago
chiarizio
 

I've come to the conclusion that if I was going to choose a religion it would be Orthodox Judaism. It came first and all these imitators are all about expanding and spreading religion and power and influence. Where as Othodox Jews actively have a word for non-Jews. Gentile. They don't care about how big their numbers are, they just stick together and believe with all their heart what they believe without pressuring people into it or trying to control the masses. Also Israel is literally right next to the Med Sea so that flood thing probably happened after the last ice age as water came in from the straight of Gibraltar.


Buuut, what if God was like, "You know what? I'm gonna add an expansion pack, like that starcraft series videogame that will be made 1998 years after Jesus christ is born. I'm gonna keep adding more prophets and more rules"

2 Weeks ago
ShadowFox08
 

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