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@Riven, regarding the recent feedback threads

Posted 3 Weeks ago by Weird Occurance

I know you're probably going to take this as critical, so feel free to tag, but I just wanted to express some thoughts and I don't really have the tact to do it.

There are currently two feedback threads you opened while you were out for a weekend. Normally, this would be fine because you're just starting a feedback collection process, but the problem is that the wording in the threads is a bit arbitrary and confusing, so some users are expression confusion as to how to vote and everything, and some of the votes already cast are probably invalid / likely to change.

Additionally, mariomguy, and a few others, expressed frustration with you not reading into the meaning behind what everyone was saying. Which, naturally comes from you commenting on the threads when you only have a few mins here or there and don't actually have them open at a time you can't write them well, reflect on the answers, or provide clarification in a meaningful way.

Just a tip going forward, I wouldn't open community polls when you don't have the time to be responsive in them or think about their initial wording / content.

Additionally, and this is a side note, it doesn't really look great when you have two extremely active community discussion polls and then lock down all posting from non-registered accounts. I get why you did it, but this seems related to the above. If you don't have time to monitor the site, you might not want to make arbitrary discussion polls. I get I was part of the problem yesterday, and was part of why you locked the site, but just wanted to point this out.

I'm really not trying to be critical, just wanted to point out that the timing of these threads prolly could've been better. Maybe a learning experience? Idk.

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Agree.
Plus, let me give a side note, which I know as a former mod who gave out warnings daily. Under no circumstances should one post something that is badly worded, and this is only as a mod I talk, not someone that matters to an entire site...

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3 Weeks ago
lok
 

Also, both those threads were a false dichotomy. Do we focus on adults or kids? Um, we need both, but we've leaned too hard on the adult side. Do we focus on discussions, or games? Um, we need both, but games need some more attention right now.

The issue is more complex and nuanced than the phrasing of the questions. And even though people made their choices and arguments very clear, Riven totally missed that and assumed people who wanted a balance immediately sided with focusing on adults.

3 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

Also, both those threads were a false dichotomy.


Exactly. I came down the middle on both, as my comments reflected, and when Riven clarified the games focus meant less discussion tools, I was surprised and a little concerned lol

I feel like spending more time creating the initial posts, and more thought into what they’d entail, could’ve made it more insightful.

That all aside, I think an open discussion with community buy-in before making oversimplified polls - e.g “what would you like to see in a game-based platform?”, “what discussion tools are we missing”, etc could’ve been the precursor to stronger polls.

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

Also, both those threads were a false dichotomy.


Exactly. I came down the middle on both, as my comments reflected, and when Riven clarified the games focus meant less discussion tools, I was surprised and a little concerned lol

I feel like spending more time creating the initial posts, and more thought into what they’d entail, could’ve made it more insightful.

That all aside, I think an open discussion with community buy-in before making oversimplified polls - e.g “what would you like to see in a game-based platform?”, “what discussion tools are we missing”, etc could’ve been the precursor to stronger polls.

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

A response from Chiarizio to Riven in an unrelated thread that perfectly sums up what the community is thinking:
Thanks for your response!

I don’t quite understand it; but just the fact that you responded is reassuring.


3 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

Exactly. Context matters a lot.

Like I said before, I appreciate the effort to collect community feedback, but maybe opening up things to discussions defining terms like game-heavy, discussion-heavy, target audience, kids/adults (even this seemed to create some questions) - that would've been good while he was away.

Then he could've come back, compiled all of that, and gotten more feedback via polls or further discussions on ambiguity. Maybe? I don't know. Like I said, I'm not trying to be critical. I'm just trying to suggest a path forward, if not for these particular issues, then for future issues.

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

Good points all around. Will consolidate the two threads (and more) into a general "site direction" post that isn't on the survey system and explains my motivations more clearly when I get back.

Sorry for the confusion and lack of ability to post this weekend.

3 Weeks ago
Riven
 

It was pretty clear, though, from the two threads that games need more attention, and we should keep the majority of the site acceptable to a general audience with the adult stuff locked behind the waivers.

3 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

Will consolidate the two threads (and more) into a general "site direction" post that isn't on the survey system and explains my motivations more clearly when I get back.


Thanks.

Sorry for the confusion and lack of ability to post this weekend.


All good. Happens.

It was pretty clear, though, from the two threads that games need more attention, and we should keep the majority of the site acceptable to a general audience with the adult stuff locked behind the waivers.


This remains true. And I think a sitewide discussion (as opposed to a survey) will make this even more evident.

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

I think he should keep the surveys up, but listen to the notes and engage in feedback on what users want. I don't think more threads is the answer: the whole discussion is already there.

3 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

This remains true. And I think a sitewide discussion (as opposed to a survey) will make this even more evident.


But he tags everyone who disagrees with him. See how all critics on his points by me which gets tagged, including put on the filter, why I need to post under another name.

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3 Weeks ago
lok
 

I think he should keep the surveys up, but listen to the notes and engage in feedback on what users want. I don't think more threads is the answer: the whole discussion is already there.


Half agree.
I think some people were caught up in the wording and vague / arbitrary clarifications, so they didn't really discuss much outside of asking what the options meant and voting accordingly.

I think part of the discussion is there, but that it's not fleshed out fully. I also agree the surveys should stay up for reference (or at least be linked) in Riven's "consolidation" thread.

But he tags everything that disagrees with him. See how all critics on his points by me which gets tagged, including put on the filter, why I need to post under another name.

Only when we antagonize him into it :)
Though it's really inconvenient you're still filtered. lol

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

Only when we antagonize him into it :)



Antagonize? Moi? I am sorry if he can't handle that, but as a mod and site leader, he should not let it bother him, I never did when I was a mod...

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3 Weeks ago
lok
 

Yeah there's an underlying consensus that the games part of the site is lacking and has been for a while.

I haven't tallied the kids/adults one but it does seem to be fairly split between "keep a balance" and "cater to adults" -- I feel like the balance posts have more reasoning behind them.

But he tags everyone who disagrees with him.


You do see the thread you're in, right? Being critical and being uselessly antagonizing are two very separate things.

3 Weeks ago
Riven
 

You do see the thread you're in, right? Being critical and being uselessly antagonizing are two very separate things.


Yes but what's Filter #41? lol

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

You do see the thread you're in, right? Being critical and being uselessly antagonizing are two very separate things.


You do realize you do this in ALL YOUR POSTS, the only reason you didn't this time is cause I CALLED YOU ON IT!
You are so predictable...

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3 Weeks ago
lok
 

Also yeah I agree with mariomguy, the issue is definitely the lack of engagement.

3 Weeks ago
Riven
 

Also yeah I agree with mariomguy, the issue is definitely the lack of engagement.


Agree with you both.

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

filter 41


Oops, fixed. I had that in temporarily (along with sitewide lockdown) when I forgot how my own system worked. There's some *actual* incompetence for you, lol.

3 Weeks ago
Riven
 

11 extra filters for temporary?

3 Weeks ago
Denida
 

...Please don't forget how the site works. We have no contingency plan...

3 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

I had that in temporarily (along with sitewide lockdown) when I forgot how my own system worked. There's some *actual* incompetence for you, lol.


looooool guess this is an excuse for Denida and I to keep being jerks.... makes sure you'll never forget the system again lol
But looks like I'm still the only one in the running for literal perfection ;P j/k j/k

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

...Please don't forget how the site works. We have no contingency plan...


How it has worked so far. The community idea sounds like a last option...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida
 

But looks like I'm still the only one in the running for literal perfection ;P j/k j/k



... and succeeding at it.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida
 

But Riven, as far as the system goes, how come you don't show in the people tab?
What sort of sorcery is this?

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

... and succeeding at it.


Thank you, thank you, my adoring fan lol

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

I'm reserving filters 31-39 for additional future tools.

Please don't forget how the site works. We have no contingency plan...


Well these two threads don't impact all that much. But I hear you, I've been thinking about some kind of appeals process to get incompatible decisions to make sense together.

How it has worked so far. The community idea sounds like a last option...


The community idea is based on a lot of experience with feedback threads, long-lasting community disputes, and similar systems I've put into place in other areas. The goal is to get the power to make site decisions out of the hands of one person (or a select few), to resolve split consensuses in a way that doesnt involve circus-caliber compromises, and to make sure decisions actually carry weight and can't be reversed randomly due to the opinions of a small group of people.

3 Weeks ago
Riven
 

I'm reserving filters 31-39 for additional future tools.


Rest assured I'll figure these out if you ever use them :)

But I hear you, I've been thinking about some kind of appeals process to get incompatible decisions to make sense together.


Sensible.

The goal is to get the power to make site decisions out of the hands of one person (or a select few), to resolve split consensuses in a way that doesnt involve circus-caliber compromises, and to make sure decisions actually carry weight and can't be reversed randomly due to the opinions of a small group of people.


You should copy this out to a notepad or something, since needing the elevator pitch for your new system keeps coming up in discussions.

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

Well these two threads don't impact all that much. But I hear you, I've been thinking about some kind of appeals process to get incompatible decisions to make sense together.


You actually want to hear your users now? Did Weird talk to you again?


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3 Weeks ago
Denida
 

On an unrelated note, are you ever going to allow account creation again, Riven? lol

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

Give him time. He doesn't want to risk anyone disagreeing with that post. Remember enforcing accounts and blocking account registration was the only way he could block my replies. He really wants to keep me out of his 'community feedback' threads.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida
 

Could he have forgotten that account creation is locked?

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

You would be surprised if so?

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3 Weeks ago
Denida
 

Nahhh I'd forget too if I had other priorities that don't involve me getting pissed off at my site of delinquents and closeted white supremacists lol

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

And people who love hate speech/adult content and hate responsibility :|

3 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

And people who love hate speech/adult content and hate responsibility :|


Zero accountability. I swear it's a sign of the times. :(

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3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance
 

Zero accountability. I swear it's a sign of the times. :(


What happens with bad leadership, why the original GT fired Davias.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida
 

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