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Okay, this is getting really old, really fast.

Posted 2 Weeks ago by Weird Occurance

Seriously, what are you all accomplishing?

All of you claim to want to make this place better, but we've got two users talking about a** ramming.

We've got the rad-anti-fem being the chill voice of reason.

And ALL OF YOU are complaining about free speech, something this place hasn't had in MONTHS.
And even before that, had unsubstantiated claims of having.

Look back, why don't you.

  • My HallowHalo Abuse of Power thread from March
  • Mariomguy complaining in that thread and another thread that Riven was abusing power by arbitrarily making a decision when the community couldn't reach consensus

    This place is not perfect.
    It's never perfect.
    It'll never be perfect.

    But all ya'll are complaining about the same damn thing - not feeling heard.
    And you can't even find a middle ground with that.

    And you'd rather scream into the void than try to fix it.

    And I'm not talking out of my a** here.

    I was JadedEye (congrats to anyone who guessed from my Discord name)
    Denida and I joined forces for the Wishful Musings posts.
    I repeat - Denida made a more productive effort than any of this nonsense.

    And here we are arguing about a** ramming and people getting banned and literally ignoring that this is a community.
    And yes, we have radically different ideas of how to proceed here, but come on.

    There has to be something more productive than yelling and screaming and getting banned multiple times over because it's more fun to criticize in blanket posts than actually TRY to rationally listen and think about what we're saying and arguing about.

    And if a user gets banned, we might as well TRY to hear out a reason for the ban.
    And YES - we should contest bans we disagree with, absolutely.
    And YES - Riven can be better at proactive warnings, e.g. "You broke rule IIB with this part of your comment, next violation will be a week ban"

    But what we're doing now, screaming about how mad we are instead of giving actual feedback, is irritating.

    Post-Wall Olga - I appreciate your appeal for civility.
    Q and Elite - I appreciate your honesty.
    I don't have a problem with any of you.

    I just want us to try to do better. We *are* better than this.

    There's a right and a wrong way of doing things, I'll admit this is probably the wrong way, but whatever. Something has to change because what we're doing now is not working.

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    I repeat - Denida made a more productive effort than any of this nonsense.


    oof

    2 Weeks ago
    S.O.H.
     

    If you do not understand why we’ve been saying @ss ramming all day then you, and Riven have not been paying attention. Do you think that after 12 years of coming to GTX0 and being in Xhin/Rivens corner that I just woke up yesterday and decided to be a jerk. You guys don’t think that by banning people who have done far less than others who have been left alone is ok? Are you not going to address ANY of the points o have been making? You can’t just ban people who say stuff you don’t like. It’s childish and shows poor leadership skills. I’ve been saying for literal YEARS this was going to happen but was ignored. Guess what, it’s happening and you guys want to blame the ones who are making a big stink about it. Pretty soon all your have are fucking tumbleweeds being kicked around by a few misogynistic and racist trolls. Ignore me now if you want, but that’s what you guys are going to have if you continue on these course of actions.

    2 Weeks ago
    True Q
     

    Are you not going to address ANY of the points o have been making? You can’t just ban people who say stuff you don’t like. It’s childish and shows poor leadership skills. I’ve been saying for literal YEARS this was going to happen but was ignored.


    Yes.
    I know your point.
    I even messaged Xhin yesterday and said he can't just ban everyone expressing points he doesn't like.

    Honestly, I don't think the shit you've been posting has been that bad.
    I don't think you should've been banned.
    I also think if you were banned, I should've been for taking part in the drama that got the site locked yesterday, too.

    I agree the leadership here is lacking.
    I agree it's fundamentally a bad idea to blanket ban users without specifying a reason and to leave it open in a user's mind that it's just because their idea was "disliked".

    I also agree questionable content was given a free pass here for far too long.

    But to you I propose the following, Q:
    What should be done about it?
    If you could wave a magic wand and make something change, what would you do? What would it be? What changes would you make?

    An actual moderation team? Feeling like your complaints are heard?

    Laying out your ideas is the *only* thing that can fix this.
    Not having a few good points amongst a lot of otherwise untamed shitposting (although it is quite entertaining, not gonna lie).

    What if you had to be direct, and explain your wishlist as you would to a five year old?

    I've also been witnessing the decline of this place and don't like the direction.
    I want to fix it, too. I want to see some healthy changes.

    And the JadedEye and Wishful Musings posts were the most valid way I could think of to get people to talk.
    And they were productive. I liked everyone's conversations and points. I thought they showed this community's willingness to *try*.

    And I really want to see more of that.
    And I don't want it to fall on deaf ears.

    2 Weeks ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    What should be done about it


    First off, unbanning everyone’s accounts that were banned over nonsense recently, if you don’t want to unban mine then fine but Elite and Null have done far less to be banned.

    If you could wave a magic wand and make something change, what would you do?


    Return this site a gaming focused forum. Posts about women being evil, and political extremism posts should be automatically tagged and deleted with the offender warned and then banned if they continue. Gaming, movies, music, tv, sports and world building/role playing are fine because those are all related to gaming in some way. There can be section for IRL and world events as long as it’s not used to attack a person or group of people.

    What changes would you make?


    Along with what I’ve already stated, consistency. You can’t ban people for different levels of offenses. If shows favoritism.

    An actual moderation team?


    Yes and not only that but letting the team enforce the rules evenly as well as not reversing a mods decision just because a user comes crying.

    Feeling like your complaints are heard?


    Sure. Acknowledging people’s complaints, explaining how they will be addressed and then ACTUALLY addressing them would go a long way.

    Also, don’t ask just me, ask everyone including those that have been banned. As much as I’ve been trolling Denida, I agree with some of his points. Listen to him as well.

    2 Weeks ago
    True Q
     

    Thank you for contributing, Q - I actually fundamentally agree with all of this. Let me highlight a few things:

    First off, unbanning everyone’s accounts that were banned over nonsense recently, if you don’t want to unban mine then fine but Elite and Null have done far less to be banned.


    Agree, honestly, would love a reset button that just puts us all back at square-one reputation-wise and just let us go from there with proper moderation and handling.

    I think we're all in need of a chance to start over and act sanely.

    Return this site a gaming focused forum. Posts about women being evil, and political extremism posts should be automatically tagged and deleted with the offend warned and then banned if they continue. Gaming, movies, music, tv, sports and world building/role playing are fine because those are all related to gaming in some way. There can be section for IRL and world events as long as it’s not used to attack a person or group of people.


    Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.

    Even if we're not a gaming site, we still need a direction - that should be a friendly, welcoming direction.
    But honestly, I love the gaming suggestion and forums you suggest - I honestly think we're all in need of some healthy escapism and this place should be more about escapism than, you know, in-fighting and vitriolic rage.


    I'm also a fan of this proposed content policy.
    Let's be real: endorsing free speech on an open, all-anonymous site like this is welcoming trouble.
    I'm not against cussing.
    I am against hate and meanness that has no place in a community.

    Along with what I’ve already stated, consistency.


    Agree.

    Yes and not only that but letting the team enforce the rules evenly as well as not reversing a mods decision just because a user comes crying.


    Yes, and mods who push back against Xhin to make this happen.
    I want to see a moderation team with a little control - and enough humility to admit when they've made a mistake.
    That goes double for Xhin, as he has to set the example for his mods and community. Leadership.

    Sure. Acknowledging people’s complaints, explaining how they will be addressed and then ACTUALLY addressing them would go a long way.


    Agree. This seems tangentially related to my last point, too. :)

    As much as I’ve been trolling Denida, I agree with some of his points. Listen to him as well.


    I do like his stance on warnings, consistency, and communication.
    I don't necessarily like his methods, but I like his deeper points.

    Thanks again, Q
    I like hearing your points.
    And sorry if I came across as aggressive to start :X

    2 Weeks ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    Ok so now after all of that what are we going to do make this progress or is this as far as it goes?

    2 Weeks ago
    True Q
     

    To be honest, Q, this is as far as I’ve gotten. We need buy-in from leadership here if anything’s to change. And we have multiple threads worth of feedback to be heard. :/

    2 Weeks ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    Q is deluded if he thinks the solution is so simple. Trust me, if it was, Riven would've done this a long time ago. Removing views that are offensive to liberals, and focusing solely on video games isn't going to fix anything.

    If Q really thinks it will, he just needs to take a glance at the video game and entertainment forums in 2015. That will disillusion him of the belief that this place will be a safespace if they just got rid of the conservatives and focused on games. These discussions had nothing to do with politics, yet they still degenerated into the name calling, flame wars that we see today. This is because the same petulant users from there are still here, they're just as imperious and angry as ever, they're bellicose and opinionated, and their intolerance for other views goes beyond anyone who's political views are different. If you don't like their favorite video game series, they deem you as an enemy and arguments will constantly erupt over something as petty as that. That's just how these people are.

    For instance, look at the mariomguy mascot fiasco. That had nothing to do with politics, yet from that conversation a litany of attacks ensued, and this happened to a user who was being proactive, trying to advertise the site and work for free, but the intolerant left, those same people who say that people like me are the problem ridiculed mguy, and now the site doesn't have a mascot and is as barren as it's ever been.

    Putting all that aside, how does the mguy mascot fiasco reflect on the site? To any outsiders looking at it, they would rightly conclude that this is an inhospitable place filled to the brim with pugnacious trolls that make life hell for anyone who's trying to help the site, and they would be turned off by it.

    2 Weeks ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    Removing views that are offensive to liberals… but the intolerant left…


    These are the comments that when ignored grow into what we have today.

    This is because the same petulant users from there are still here, they're just as imperious and angry as ever, they're bellicose and opinionated, and their intolerance for other views goes beyond anyone who's political views are different.


    Just because you use big words doesn’t mean you’re right. Who are the users you are referring to and who were they attacking? Can you post links to these examples?

    For instance, look at the mariomguy mascot fiasco. That had nothing to do with politics, yet from that conversation a litany of attacks ensued, and this happened to a user who was being proactive…


    You’re right, it didn’t have anything to do with politics. Mguy wasn’t immediately attacked. He presented an idea that people here didn’t like. He took that personally and then threw a temper tantrum. Yea we egged him on when we shouldn’t have but that was after many users calmly explained their problems with his idea and even said they like his previous art.

    2 Weeks ago
    True Q
     

    Look at how Q treated me when I made a thread to commemorate the chickens that died in the fire last week. It made me feel like a fool for even trying to engage in a conversation in good faith on this forum only to be trolled. That's why I'm done with this site.

    2 Weeks ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    IT made me feel like a fool trying to engage in good faith only to be trolled.


    Lol what?

    2 Weeks ago
    True Q
     

    Just because you use big words doesn’t mean you’re right. Who are the users you are referring to and who were they attacking? Can you post links to these examples?

    I don't have any of the threads saved, but if you were here in 2014-2017 - SOH, Poptart, Ghowilo and null frequently got into alot of fights. Anyone who was here should be able to verify that.

    2 Weeks ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    I don't have any of the threads saved anywhere….


    Well that’s convenient.

    2 Weeks ago
    True Q
     

    Post-Wall Olga, not every user here is left-leaning.
    Boiling everything down to an argument from / of politics is also counter-intuitive.


    I don’t think this site aspires to remove all right-wing views.
    I do think the majority of users are left-leaning.

    So reading the room is important.
    Knowing your views differ from the majority on this site is good incentive to tone down or avoid talking about your views if you don’t want to be ostracized. Sad fact of life: this happens EVERYWHERE your view is minority; school, work, etc.

    And this doesn’t even go into the fact that MGTOW and women-hating aren’t common right wing views.
    And that MGTOW isn’t intrinsic women-hating.
    So the responses to you have had almost nothing to do with your right wing politics and a lot more to do with your perceived sexist misogyny. Which probably shouldn’t be on a site that’s supposed to have a kind, welcoming atmosphere.


    Now, that said, I do think flaming is an inappropriate response to you - and to anyone else for any reason. And it should be discouraged and ban-worthy.



    All this said, I don’t think it’s *super* easy to fix this place.
    But I do think it’s dying a death by a thousand paper cuts.
    And that there are some low-hanging fruit solutions that haven’t been picked up, yet.

    2 Weeks ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    Ok, null posted that mguy thread with a lot of topics about mguy. It had alot of links to old threads. The flaming that I was talking about was so widespread, and if you saved any of the links, you could see how it was. And again, these conversations were in the entertainment forums, not world.

    I found this one in my history, but that's just a foretaste of how toxic this place was:https://web.archive.org/web/20150730053224/http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=92976

    2 Weeks ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    Look at how Q treated me when I made a thread to commemorate the chickens that died in the fire last week. It made me feel like a fool….


    Hold up, uno reverse. Are we gonna just pretend you didn’t just admit you’re Acca From this post?
    https://gtx0.com/thread/peta_holds_nonvegans_responsible_for_deaths_of_50000_chickens
    Because that’s who made this post and you just said I made YOU look like a fool. Or has this been common knowledge already?

    2 Weeks ago
    True Q
     

    tl;dr will tonight

    2 Weeks ago
    Elite
     

    So on tbe topic of the site. I have stated several times now Xhin regardless of what he does is going to look like the bad guy because it's just how hes viewed. No change in approach or debate can fix this. He needs to not be seen, let things die down or atleast let the aggression against him lessen a bit.If he posts hes going to be picked apart until he looks like an ass. were all guilt of it. even you. Everyone has to make the effort not just any 1 person. Get some likeable level headed mods just take a back seat. You're unable to do the job. That much is obvious. Find someone or a group that can.

    This said I'm not here to defend or shit on him. I do think Xhin gets more hate then he deserves at time but alot of these problems are in many ways his fault due to his inaction.

    We need a consenus on what content is acceptable as well.

    Also everyone has to act like adults. no more petty shit.

    On the topic of olga. Regardless of how troll or immature everyone here acts don't sit and take the approach of "nothing I do is wrong" or "pussy left got hurt feelings" because the fact you don't see an issue with you spewing hateful shit about women and so on in every comment you make utterly confuses me and causes any aggression towards you misplaced or otherwise to spill into a multitude of topics and forums.

    You want to act civil once its brought to the forefront that's fine but don't fake it and maintain a level head and have discussions of certain natures in the correct places and keep them there in the future. Not just today.

    As a community not as individuals if were going to share this space it has to be an effort from everyone. Blamming soley Xhin and going to war over site policy is NOT a solution. The only answer is for everyone to just grow the fuck up.

    Also, I know 90% of this is somewhat hypocritical since I only shit post and troll but that doean't make it wrong.

    2 Weeks ago
    Elite
     

    I do think Xhin gets more hate then he deserves at time but alot of these problems are in many ways his fault do to his inaction.


    I agree with both points 100%

    As a community not as individuals if were going to share this space it has to be an effort from everyone. Blamming soley Xhin and going to war over site policy is NOT a solution. The only answer is for everyone to just grow the fuck up.


    Again I agree 100% on all points.

    1 Week ago
    True Q
     

    I second Elite and Q, here.

    Even if Xhin gets more hate than he deserves, he is currently perceived as the bad guy and that needs to be allowed to die down.

    Everybody at this site can do better.

    Competent mods, holding ourselves (and each other) accountable, and having a clear content policy will pave the way forward.
    And we do need to break the pattern of inaction from leadership. Rules must be enforced, ‘underdogs’ must be treated the same as everyone else, and people here need to figure out what this site is and wants to be - branding and content wise.

    And I’ll always say “free speech” on a public site is asking for hate because it will bring out the absolute worst in people by giving them the ability to toe the finest line.

    I keep saying I want everyone here to do better.
    Myself included.
    I just need buy-in from the powers that be. And we need a path forward.

    1 Week ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    Competent mods, holding ourselves (and each other) accountable, and having a clear content policy will pave the way forward.
    And we do need to break the pattern of inaction from leadership. Rules must be enforced, ‘underdogs’ must be treated the same as everyone else, and people here need to yogurt out what this site is and wants to be - branding and content wise.

    Also, like I told Xhin when he unbanned me. He gave three options and said pick one. Be respectful, contribute to the problem in a constructive way, and dont act on impulse and emotion.

    That's great but as I told him picking just 1 implies the others now dont need to be followed. If hes going the denida route of asking questions like that or telling users to read rules before a unban all 3 of those and the sites general rules need to all have a part and be a requirment. If users can't follow through with the resposibility they have to not be toxic and posting in a healthy manner they need to be held as accountable as he is.

    Like the whole Denida situation. I get it Denidas been trying to make the point we're currently discussing for him. That in a way makes him right. But it's about how you approach the problem. Bypassing bans to constantly throw shade and turn every post into a fight is NOT a answer I care to entertain. So I hope he's seeing this and can reflect on if him as the apparant standard of what a mod needs to be is setting the example he should be.

    Everybody at this site can do better.

    No they just need too. If everyone really didnt care it wouldnt be a topic we discuss everyday.

    And I’ll always say “free speech” on a public site is asking for hate because it will bring out the absolute worst in people by giving them the ability to toe the finest line.

    free speech is fine. I just draw the line at anything sexist or racist or just outright stupid. Like if olga wants to talk about how evil women are he can do it with whomever wants to in discord dm's or elsewhere or if someone wants to sit and say nazi shit do it elsewhere but don't bring that shit here. Conduct yourself with common sense. Free speech has limits in real life as it does here. Keep the site clean.

    Set a standard for content and tag everything else. Repeat offenders need account bans.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    Post-Wall Olga - I appreciate your appeal for civility.


    Gonna be honest: you kinda lose me here. You're making a public appreciation of one of the most toxic, volatile, and unwelcoming users on the forum who spams the site with his asinine bigotry (or at best, their over-the-top trolling nearing parody, it's so awful), all because he "appealed for civility." When at the same time, they routinely are rudely dismissive of people who disagree with them and won't engage in any real discourse, because their so far gone that literally everyone is a "leftist" to them.

    I get wanting civility, but if you're so concerned about civility that you're willing to tolerate and accept shit like this, I don't know that your brand of "civility" means all that much. It certainly doesn't equate to quality.

    1 Week ago
    Jet Presto
     



    1 Week ago
    S.O.H.
     

    @Jet - I more or less created this thread because people were using another thread to make thinly veiled good points amongst being jackasses. Acca was the only one in that thread voicing a plea for civility. So in this context, I acknowledged it.

    I do not agree with his extremist views.
    I do not condone his trolling.
    I have, in fact, said in this thread that it has no place on this site (or any other site like this).

    I thought it was ridiculous that one user who's been super inflammatory was behaving more sanely than a few other users at the time.

    But, SOH's meme conveys a fair point that I did not acknowledge because the actions of yesterday did NOT warrant it.

    Plenty of users here are making pleas for civility. Or have. But have since abandoned that path in favor of trolling because it's all so pointless.

    I did, however, acknowledge throughout this thread that, when called for in site discussions and constructive topics, people on this site *DO* tend to come over and contribute valid points.
    It just often gets lost amongst the constant barrage of shit posting by those same users. Hell, even I'm guilty of this, of course.

    I'm not advocating for anything differently from you, Jet.
    I just wanted to defuse some of yesterday's bullshit and acknowledging a normally non-constructive user's attempts to be constructive seemed like a way forward.

    ---

    @SOH - I disagree with your inclusion of CZM in that meme but that's probably a me-problem. Just felt it had to be said.

    1 Week ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    @SOH - I disagree with your inclusion of CZM in that meme but that's probably a me-problem. Just felt it had to be said.


    why? he has been nothing but cool.


    for the record this meme is a copy and paste of another meme I made.

    1 Week ago
    S.O.H.
     

    why? he has been nothing but cool.


    He made some rude remarks to me then refused to back them up or talk further.
    I've never had a problem with him so I have absolutely no idea why he went off on me.
    To this day, it hasn't been justified or explained. So I'm still sitting here wondering how I can fix it?

    1 Week ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    And YES - we should contest bans we disagree with, absolutely.


    I think maybe there should be a form for it on the ban screen or something. Contesting bans shouldn't be public, and they definitely shouldn't require evading the ban. There does need to be some back-and-forth between the user and staff though.

    Do you think that after 12 years of coming to GTX0 and being in Xhin/Rivens corner that I just woke up yesterday and decided to be a jerk.


    Yes, this is exactly what happened. Whatever set you off, whatever justifiable issues you have with the site, this still doesn't give you the right to be an asshole.

    You can’t just ban people who say stuff you don’t like.


    I don't. I ban people who are assholes about it. Find a way to make your points that's respectful to me, other users, and especially one where you're not the victimized protagonist. Take responsibility for your actions and admit to your faults when you see them. Or at least make an effort to do those things.

    First off, unbanning everyone’s accounts that were banned over nonsense recently, if you don’t want to unban mine then fine but Elite and Null have done far less to be banned.


    These are all temporary bans. I unbanned elite early after talking with him, and you and null know where to reach me. Good communication does seem to be key.

    You can’t ban people for different levels of offenses.


    Fair.

    Yes and not only that but letting the team enforce the rules evenly as well as not reversing a mods decision just because a user comes crying.


    Very fair.

    Agree, honestly, would love a reset button that just puts us all back at square-one reputation-wise and just let us go from there with proper moderation and handling.


    Same.

    Even if we're not a gaming site, we still need a direction


    Yeah definitely. That's been lacking for a long while, and that's definitely on me.

    I am against hate and meanness that has no place in a community.


    I think we're all in agreement here.

    That goes double for Xhin, as he has to set the example for his mods and community. Leadership.


    Agree, this is something I need to continue to work on.

    I do like his stance on warnings, consistency, and communication.


    He does have good points. He needs to work on his own communication problems though - he should take a step back and reflect on whether anyone is actually going to listen to him after the way he's been acting, or maybe stop and consider that his experiences are not universal and he's not always right.

    That will disillusion him of the belief that this place will be a safespace if they just got rid of the conservatives and focused on games.


    but the intolerant left


    This seems a lot like projection. People that are on the left and dislike the site don't want to visit GTX0 because they see it as a playground of radical conservatives, and people like you that lean right and dislike the site see it as a haven of radical leftists. Either way, what's actually happening is you don't like some of the users here and you cherry pick parts of their opinions to paint a political narrative about the state of the site.

    I have stated several times now Xhin regardless of what he does is going to look like the bad guy because it's just how hes viewed.


    Everyone has to make the effort not just any 1 person.


    Get some likeable level headed mods just take a back seat.


    You're unable to do the job. That much is obvious.


    I do think Xhin gets more hate then he deserves at time but alot of these problems are in many ways his fault due to his inaction.


    We need a consenus on what content is acceptable as well.


    Also everyone has to act like adults. no more petty shit.


    On the topic of olga. Regardless of how troll or immature everyone here acts don't sit and take the approach of "nothing I do is wrong" or "pussy left got hurt feelings" because the fact you don't see an issue with you spewing hateful shit about women and so on in every comment you make utterly confuses me and causes any aggression towards you misplaced or otherwise to spill into a multitude of topics and forums.


    As a community not as individuals if were going to share this space it has to be an effort from everyone. Blamming soley Xhin and going to war over site policy is NOT a solution.


    The only answer is for everyone to just grow the fuck up.


    I agree with Elite's entire post.

    1 Week ago
    Riven
     

    Yes, this is exactly what happened. Whatever set you off, whatever justifiable issues you have with the site, this still doesn't give you the right to be an asshole.


    Then you need to get your head out of your ass and pay attention. You’ve been letting shit slide on here for a long time and I’ve been asking you, publicly in those threads to address it and got nothing. I didn’t just decide I was going to be a jerk, it’s been a long time coming.

    I ban people who are assholes about it. Find a way to make your points that's respectful to me, other users, and especially one where you're not the victimized protagonist. Take responsibility for your actions and admit to your faults when you see them. Or at least make an effort to do those things.


    Really? This is where you want to go with this? Because there are people being completely disgusting assholes to many groups of people and nothing happens to them but once someone gets pissed and calls you out for it they get banned? I’ve said something to you many times about this. You want to talk about taking responsibility but I have yet to see you do it, I have yet to see you admit faults on allowing these specific people, that I feel do not need to named, to spew toxic vulgarity on a regular basis. You have yet to admit fault in not allowing your mod team to do thier job and not interfere. You want to talk to me about taking responsibility? You aren’t even close to doing any of that to talk to other people about it.

    These are all temporary bans. I unbanned elite early after talking with him, and you and null know where to reach me. Good communication does seem to be key.


    Elite and Null didn’t warrant any bans, you simply banned them for being “assholes” which is purely subjective. I can say you’re being an asshole and to go ban yourself. Does that mean it should happen? I figured I’d end up banned because yea, I was pushing the envelope but it seemed to be the only way to get your attention and force some change as you seemed to be just fine with banning people and doing nothing else. I also communicated to you in the gtx0 discord, many times, my views on what was going on and got Jack shit in return. So tell me how continuing to try would help anything.

    As I’ve stated many times in the last couple days here and in discord, I’ve been warning you for years that this was going to happen and got blown off. Yet I’m told I’m trying to blackmail people and being an asshole. If you want a site full of trolls then say the word and the rest of us will GTFO this site and leave you guys to circle jerk and ass Ram each other.

    1 Week ago
    True Q
     

    I agree with Elite's entire post.

    Jeez I'm winning this post literally everyones agreed with me. Do I win?

    At work haven't read everything here. will later. I'm interested in where this goes.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    Elite and Null didn’t warrant any bans, you simply banned them for being “assholes” which is purely subjective. I can say you’re being an asshole and to go ban yourself. Does that mean it should happen? I figured I’d end up banned because yea, I was pushing the envelope but it seemed to be the only way to get your attention and force some change as you seemed to be just fine with banning people and doing nothing else. I also communicated to you in the gtx0 discord, many times, my views on what was going on and got Jack shit in return. So tell me how continuing to try would help anything.

    Just wanted to point out I dodn't care much about my ban ultimately. That's why I made that seperate ram post to more or less contain you and myself trolling Q. That said it did feel unwarranted but were here to move forward and that's done. May I call for us to push towards solutions to prevent future issues as opposed to rehashing current or old events.

    Only saying this because it didnt bother me and was ultimately resolved as soon as I appealed it. Even if it was bullshit.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    Also can this post not devolve into arguing. It seemed like progress was being made. I should never be voice of reason.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    @Elite and Weird Occurance: https://gtx0.com/thread/the-manipulated-man-by-esther-vilar

    That's a red pill thread I made a couple of years ago that didn't descend into the toxic bickering that has become so widespread on this site. It's because the people posting were talking maturely, there was no name calling, and no calls for censorship. If I ever did act toxically, it was cause people like null trolled me into it, but I had a lot of patience for these people, I made quite the effort to ignore them even if they tried so hard to be offensive and drive me away.

    The point is, a forum can tlak about these things, but since the environment has become so liberal here, anytime I try to discuss these things, I am immediately slandered, called a nazi, and calls for censorship follow. You can't say anything about women these days. Criticizing bad behavior gets you tarnished as a bigot, even if everything you say is true. Look at this thread - https://gtx0.com/thread/man_jailed_for_28_years_after_woman_dreamed_he_raped_her

    Nothing toxic or hateful there, but the same characters came trying to start drama.

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    Olga I never implied you've never made any posts that wern't bad. I'm simply stating and keep in mind I'm not a total leftist here and will fall more in line with whomever I agree with more or has a canidate I like currently so dont even try to blame the left with me. I only take take issue with you dragging heated opinions you know the bulk of the sites doesnt like into things that are totally unrelated.

    I'm not going into specifics. You know what you say and do sets people off and you know certain things when said publically knowing no one wants to hear it is going to create problems.

    I simply ask you to keep politics in politics and keep anything hateful to a minimal.

    be mindful of others and they wont start shit with you and if they do unprovoked riven or whomever needs to hold accountability for that.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    Oh and as for links to old posts again. Here to move forward not rehash old bullshit so forgive me but im not clicking.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    Hey Riven, here is a good example of something that needs to be tagged 2 hours ago. Here we are trying to have a conversation and we get this troll response that can easily derail it.

    How is it trolling to correct Acca
    That's a red pill thread I made a couple of years ago that didn't descend into the toxic bickering that has become so widespread on this site. It's because the people posting were talking maturely, there was no name calling, and no calls for censorship. If I ever did act toxically, it was cause people like null trolled me into it, but I had a lot of patience for these people, I made quite the effort to ignore them even if they tried so hard to be offensive and drive me away.


    1 Week ago
    gtx0 investigator
     

    When Xhin invited me to join his site back in 2009, he had a plan. He was learning how to program, he was learning HTML, he had passion, he cared about Gametalk and continuing its legacy. Under his leadership, the GT brand would thrive, I thought. Xhin said that a project like this was giving meaning to his life. He said that unlike Mike, he was dedicated to his site.

    But he's just been so careless that he's allowed these maniacs to turn the site into this. I know I've started quite a few controversial threads, but as others have said, this site has had problems for years, long before I ever joined. It's really telling how some of these users have been here from the beginning, they've been hurling abuse at others and have only been banned for the first time this year. Some of these psychos have even been moderators. Talk about letting the maniacs run the asylum.

    Now I see he's really just clueless, inept, likes to blame others for his faults, and he's becoming more and more authoritarian. It's turned me off this site and I've spoken to other people who have said the same thing. Not once have I felt like Xhin's ever given my feelings consideration. He plays favorites, letting null say outrageous things without warning him to stop, yet jumps down my throat when I didn't even break any rules and that makes him unfit and a biased moderator, two things that should disqualify him, but unluckily for us, he's the owner of this site.

    So I'll just sit back and watch this ship sink as it deserves to. Xhin can work on his stupid "abstract" art or whatever to cope as his site withers away.

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    How is it trolling to correct Acca

    Using an alt name to point out hes a misogynst isn't trolling? We're all painfully aware of his views on women. This is why I was asking him to keep that kind of posting the fuck out of here.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    I will leave when and IF he fixes this site.


    No, you'll leave when you run out of accounts to post with.

    1 Week ago
    Riven
     

    I also moved Post-Wall Olga's post into here since it's relevant.

    I'll get back to this thread later today.

    1 Week ago
    Riven
     

    No, you'll leave when you run out of accounts to post with.

    First thing you've said in awhile I like.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    In reply to olga. None of any of that long rant addresses the issues at hand involving you. We all have problems with Xhin that's been beaten to death. It's alot of blame and no resposibility. How do you legitimately not see why theres a problem with a large amount of your content? Not be an ass here, but are you just dumb? Anyone with eyes can see the issues with half what you've been saying here on a regular basis.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    Not be an ass here, but are you just dumb? Anyone with eyes can see the issues with half what you've been saying here on a regular basis.


    Naw, he’s dumb, but not THAT dumb. He knows what he is saying has problems and is vulgar. But he likes the attention it gets him so he keeps doing it. And IDC if I come off as an ass about that.

    1 Week ago
    True Q
     

    I'm not interested in this dumpster fire of a site anymore, but...As long as Xhin is letting these ban evaders continue posting their inane lies, I'll challenge them and disprove the nonsense they're spewing.

    Elite is gaslighting, he's denigrating, and promulgating falsehoods about me, and he's either unaware of, or worse, actively covering up for the people have actually been destroying GTX0. The fact that he keeps refering #85 demonstrates this. He's made me the scapegoat, blaming me for the site becoming the shithole that it is, but the blame lies on others as I've pointed out. Elite finds it irresistible to manipulate others and put others down and abuse them. This makes him no different than the culprits who brought the site down, and if he was actually interested in saving the site and not just using it as an emotional outlet, he would be proactive instead of polluting the forum with vulgarity and obscenity.

    If Elite was interested in knowing what's actually going on, he would've actually bothered to look at my Esther Vilar thread from 2019. Instead, being the lazy whiner that he is, he refuses to. It's tantamount to only reading half the page of a book, without reflecting on anything, and acting as if you're suddenly an expert on said book, despite not knowing even half the story. In Elite's insular mind, I'm just a raging misogynist, and it's easy to get that impression when you do what he does: plug your ears and refuse to listen and form your impressions on someone based on the arguments that happen outside of the World forum. In his insular mind, anyone who criticizes women is a misogynist, anything that contradicts his worldview is false, and the apparatus of that thinking discourages him from thinking/looking too deeply into his viewpoint, or he would see how stupid it is.

    Elite wants to sacpegoat me, and make me paying for the sins I never even committed. If you think my controversial threads somehow brought down the quality of the site, you're mistaken. It's the non-stop harassment by the people I've named repeatedly, following others around, hijacking threads (Q did this in my threads about PETA and the 50,000 chickens that died in a fire) that's turned people away from GTX0. For the umpteenth time, this has been a problem since before I ever graced Xhin's site.

    The vast majority of my controversial posts have been hidden behind the disclaimer. Xhin put it there for snowflakes like yourself. It was his way of implementing "sensitivity training" on the site. But nonetheless, you people still cry about my content, so either Xhin should remove the forum altogether or not have the disclaimer, if you're gonna ignore it, and become outraged when you see something you don't like.

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    Nothing Elite or Q says matters. They're words are meaningless. They hold zero value.
    Even when Elite is being honest (extremely rare) his reasoning is mired in delusional narratives. Same for Q. It's like talking to someone on acid. You can't trust their perspective.
    Some people may have the patience to engage or debate with him. I prefer to avoid and ignore.

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    I see my name being said alot but anyone with literal eyes and a brain can understand the points I've been trying to make. I'm literally not even going to engage with that long rant over nothing when all I have said in any capacity to you "is dont post stuff knowing it will offend other users" regardless of what you think is being said.

    You want to foam at the mouth and go on the defensive? Go right ahead it doesn't bother me.

    So in conclusion tl;dr

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    Nothing Elite or Q says matters. They're words are meaningless. They hold zero value.


    Yet here you are, foaming at the mouth about how you feel Elite is gaslighting, he's denigrating, and promulgating falsehoods about YOU, and he's either unaware of, or worse, actively covering up for the people have actually been destroying GTX0.

    If nothing we say matters then whatever you imagined Elite and I said about you shouldn't matter to you, because as you state nothing we say matters, is meaningless and has Zero value. So you have nothing worry about, right?

    I prefer to avoid and ignore.


    I think you are so worried about trying to remember what those big words mean that you have been using that you have forgotten what little words mean. That long 4.5 paragraph reply you just made about how Elite is just the worst person ever is the opposite of avoiding and ignoring.

    Q did this in my threads about PETA and the 50,000 chickens that died in a fire.


    What exactly did I say that was so harrassing towards you about the chickens?

    1 Week ago
    True Q
     

    You said you were gonna go eat KFC in a thread dedicated to the chickens who died on a factory farm. That's very disrespectful. You were just posting there to taunt me, not to engage in conversation.

    Lol, I'm foaming at the mouth. Sure, I'm that worked up over a squabble on the residue of a once-popular site. My writing is angrier than I am, it seems. But I'm not getting emotional here, just highlighting reality to the hard-headed.

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    k you're mad. Exit post if you don't want to be constructive and just assume everyones against you then just leave. My only purpose of taking part in this thread was to push for cooperation in moving forward and ackwodleding our faults. you included. I'm not perfect by any means but atleast I can say so without blaming everyone else being mean.

    Shape up or ship out. Be better or don't be included.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    You said you were gonna go eat KFC in a thread dedicated to the chickens who died on a factory farm. That's very disrespectful. You were just posting there to taunt me, not to engage in conversation.


    Was that after I said we should hold the vigil at Chic-fil-a or before? I said I wanted KFC so as I ate spicey wings I could think about all the chickens that were lost and will never be eaten.

    Lol, I'm foaming at the mouth. Sure, I'm that worked up over a squabble on the residue of a once-popular site. My writing is angrier than I am, it seems. But I'm not getting emotional here, just highlighting reality to the hard-headed.


    4.5 paragraphs about how someone who has barely talked to you is the worst person on this site isn't worked up and foaming at the mouth?

    1 Week ago
    True Q
     

    k you're mad.

    Totally. F**K you, you globalist C****. MAGA MAGA MAGA.

    I'm aghast at the hypocrisy that Riven's shown. Letting ban evaders hijack my thread about 50,000 chickens burned alive due to meat eaters and their heartlessness, but I'm not angry about this lol.

    Exit post if you don't want to be constructive and just assume everyones against you then just leave.

    I did want to be constructive. The problem is, here, with a reactionary audience who gets angry over anything that doesn't jibe with Cultural Marxism, it's impossible to engage constructively. They'll just get offended, form lynch mobs, and yell for me to be banned.

    Shape up or ship out. Be better or don't be included.

    Oh I don't care about leaving. But as long as my name is mentioned, I will defend myself.

    Was that after I said we should hold the vigil at Chic-fil-a or before? I said I wanted KFC so as I ate spicey wings I could think about all the chickens that were lost and will never be eaten.

    You were evading your ban. Trolling is against the rules. You should've been given an extended ban for your actions in that thread.

    4.5 paragraphs about how someone who has barely talked to you is the worst person on this site isn't worked up and foaming at the mouth?

    no?

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    You were evading your ban. Trolling is against the rules. You should've been given an extended ban for your actions in that thread.


    No, that all happened before the Ban.

    no?


    lol, well everyone else see's it differently. not just me.

    1 Week ago
    True Q
     

    Totally. F**K you, you globalist C****. MAGA MAGA MAGA.


    what a snowflake lol.

    1 Week ago
    S.O.H.
     

    lol, well everyone else see's it differently. not just me.

    They're free to be wrong.

    what a snowflake lol.

    I guess sarcasm is hard to detect for you?

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    I guess sarcasm is hard to detect for you?

    youve shouwn youre a snowflake through multiple posts though lol.

    werent you gonna leave the site?

    1 Week ago
    S.O.H.
     

    They're free to be wrong.


    lol so everyone is wrong but you? If we are wrong, I dont want to be right lol

    1 Week ago
    True Q
     

    Still lost at the part where you think being a misogynist on a gaming forum is ok? I'm more then willing to discuse with you but as you stated olga everyone is reactionary and easily offended. You as well. The MAGA MAGA comment is evidence of that. But it'll get no reaction from me.

    When you're ready to respond like a mature adult I'll take the time to respond to each of your points individually.

    No blaming, no whining, no past events. We need to work towards the future with open discussion.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    LOL. You guys just prove my point for me. I've lowered myself to your level, throwing out insults, acting all neurotic. That's how your discourse is.

    If I ever engaged this way, it was cause you made me.

    When you're ready to respond like a mature adult I'll take the time to respond to each of your points individually.

    I love the irony. It's killing me.

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    werent you gonna leave the site?

    I will. But I can't let anyone misrepresent me. As soon as Riven caves to the mob, I'll be out. I won't even lurk.

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    If I ever engaged this way, it was cause you made me.


    Yup he came to your place in the trailer park and forced you to type those things. What a jerk!

    1 Week ago
    True Q
     

    I will. But I can't let anyone misrepresent me. As soon as Riven caves to the mob, I'll be out. I won't even lurk.


    lol pathetic.

    1 Week ago
    S.O.H.
     

    Just like you're wrong about my mood, you're wrong about my location. I don't live in a trailer park. I have my own house with a big backyard, vegetables and fruits growing in my garden, and I'm content with that.

    1 Week ago
    Post-Wall Olga
     

    LOL. You guys just prove my point for me. I've lowered myself to your level, throwing out insults, acting all neurotic. That's how your discourse is.

    Outside of stating that your replies are typically negative and offensive no ones insulted you. I asked if you were dumb but it's more that you just troll pretending to be ignorant of your actions.

    If I ever engaged this way, it was cause you made me.

    This is the longest I have and will ever talk to you. If it wern't for this thread and your presence in it you'd still barely exist as far as me on gtx0 is concerned.

    I love the irony. It's killing me.

    Ladies and gentlemen I give you the man going his own way that constantly talks about women and wont leave after saying he will.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    I have my own house with a big backyard, vegetables and fruits growing in my garden, and I'm content with that.


    Oh you want to compare Star Dew Valley farms?

    1 Week ago
    True Q
     

    I don't get it. All anyone asks of you is to keep your opinions in politics and to not spew out nonsense racist and anti women shit everywhere.

    Is it THAT hard?

    You're literally trolling.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    I don't know if I'm beating a dead horse here, but this entire thread is a great example of why we should have kept a solid moderator team that we once had and trusted them to perform the task with the best of intentions. Half this thread should have been moved or deleted, or had an active mod to keep it on the rails.

    1 Week ago
    Jet Presto
     

    You're right that was basically the first thing I said to xhin here.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    but this entire thread is a great example of why we should have kept a solid moderator team that we once had and trusted them to perform the task with the best of intentions.


    Agreed. Hindsight is 2020.

    1 Week ago
    Riven
     

    Also I still have no idea what actually happened to the mod team -- like you, jet presto, are currently still a moderator here. You've asked me a couple times if you're still a moderator, but I never removed you. I think maybe it's a combination of the new site (without the "Moderated by" section) and the community-run thing. Can we just like, all sit down somewhere and hash out what it would take for you guys to come back, what needs to change (community-run system comes to mind), and how I can best support and communicate with the team?

    1 Week ago
    Riven
     

    Yeah, I think for my part, there's been a lot of confusion. I still seem to have some mod abilities, but it's appeared as though moderators were largely disbanded. It has been unclear to me if I'm still supposed to be a moderator, and if so, do I still have - more or less - agency in how I'd like the Entertainment forum to operate and look. I had a pretty thorough Rules & Guidelines section, for example, that really went a long way to helping me moderate that forum and it's all gone now. So I wasn't sure what the deal was.

    1 Week ago
    Jet Presto
     

    Yeah, I think for my part, there's been a lot of confusion. I still seem to have some mod abilities, but it's appeared as though moderators were largely disbanded.


    They weren't. I think a lot of it had to do with the new site's lack of a header / documents / etc. I did make this post when the new site went live though:
    https://gtx0.com/thread/dontpanicmoderatoredition
    It has been unclear to me if I'm still supposed to be a moderator, and if so, do I still have - more or less - agency in how I'd like the Entertainment forum to operate and look.


    Let's just go with yes to all of that and pretend the months of confusion never happened. I'll do a bit of work to make forums more clear and allow some appearance changes.

    I had a pretty thorough Rules & Guidelines section, for example, that really went a long way to helping me moderate that forum and it's all gone now. So I wasn't sure what the deal was.


    That still exists in the old site's database. I'll restore those.

    1 Week ago
    Riven
     

    Mods don't even know they're still mods? That's a huge yikes.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    It does explain a lot.

    1 Week ago
    Riven
     

    The completely immense amount of failure to communicate that would contribute to a staff full of mods who don't know they're mods is just... Lmao, oh my god.

    1 Week ago
    Elite
     

    Yep.

    1 Week ago
    Riven
     

    I'll say that I'm happy to take on moderator duties in Entertainment again and even in Video Games. I don't really want to mod across the whole site (that was always sort of a confusing element for me back in the day of the "global mods" versus "local mods." I'd ideally like to have a sub-tab with those Rules & Guidelines I had worked up back in the day (chiefsonny once complimented those, and I think they're solid rules, personally.)

    1 Week ago
    Jet Presto
     

    great now we have to live under Jet Prestos leftist boot!

    im kidding. I find it hilarious that you were a mod all along and Riven never piped up.

    1 Week ago
    S.O.H.
     

    Yeah I think the local mods system made the most sense overall.

    And yeah SOH, it's pretty ironic. There's been a lot of confusion since the new site went live.

    1 Week ago
    Riven
     

    Semi-permanent Lockdown

    Accounts are required to post for the forseeable future. Contact me through discord for account issues or registration: Riven#7868