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My site mascot

Posted 2 Weeks ago by Q

Here is my submission for site Mascot for your consideration:



There are 56 Replies


Derivative
It's a Dreamcast controller. Literally an infringement of copyright. Riven could get sued.
Not applicable to life forums
I can't see this thing advertising the concept of sexuality, spirituality/philosophy, or politics.
Can't emote/act/express
Mascot will be tiny in banners. Face is too small. Hands are too small. Legs can't move. The character is so wide, the sillhouette will not read clearly.

I can complement the... white. Neutrals are easy. That's about it.

2 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

If you people want Riven to get sued, pick this one. Otherwise, propose something real that can actually work.

2 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

here's my idea for a mascot:



2 Weeks ago
poptart!
 

Riven could get sued.


Who gonna sue?

And Mr Dreamy not sexy enough.

Also, this is game talk not political or sexual talk.

2 Weeks ago
Q
 

No one is going to sue Riven over a drawing of a video game controller. That'd be like Gameboy suing Adventure Time over B-Mo. He's not building a physical controller or taking the Dreamcast logo. This falls into the category of fair use, and therefore is allowed under United States copyright laws.

In terms of using it for the Sexuality forum. Just turn it around and give it a butthole. Or, ya know, battery slots.

2 Weeks ago
Ratatoskr
 

You're defending a garbage design you ripped off and slapped together in 2 minutes. Adding a butthole to a game controller? Garbage idea. Fresh from the members of Gametalk, the ones who thought the really cool logo that helped get me my job was actually a penis.

Clearly your voice matters more than mine, so keep the submissions coming. I'm sure Riven will be very happy to hear your guys' suggestions for a mascot when you clearly can't make one yourself.

2 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

If you stopped being trolls for 2 seconds and get some work done... no, you'd still be garbage. Just like your ideas.

2 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

I actually think battery slots on a game controller is classy for a sexuality forum mascot. I think you underestimate how much I actually like this idea.

Alternatively, the face could be turned to am 18 with a red circle and line through it.

Sorry man I'm not actually even trolling you here. I much prefer the idea of a video game controller being the mascot than any sort of cartoonish animal. And I never even mentioned the logo you made nor did I comment on it back then.

But let's be real, Riven won't get sued for this and the only reason you're upset is because we don't want cartoon animals as our mascots. Yeah there's been a lot of trolling, sorry for that, but I'm being real here. No one wants that.

2 Weeks ago
Ratatoskr
 

If you stopped being trolls for 2 seconds and get some work done... no, you'd still be garbage. Just like your ideas.


I'm not trolling nor is there any need for name calling. Why can't a video game controller be a Mascot?

1 Week ago
Q
 

If anyone on Sega sees it and believes we are misrepresenting their brand (and if they take a look at the user behavior they definitely will claim that), they have a case to sue Riven for damages infringing on their intellectual property rights. That's likely not going to happen. The first thing that will happen is cease and desist. The images will be removed, given a deadline. This is best case scenario. I doubt they would shut down the site, but if they take Riven to court and settle the case in arbitration, the fees alone would make sure we're never going to see Gametalk again. It's a ticking time bomb, not a good idea AT ALL.

The whole project was to get this mascot to be represented in individual forum banners across all 12 forums. So video game stuff works great for game forums, but not so much the adult or life forums. In order to properly illustrate, you can't just tack on hands and feet to a game controller and call it a day. The forum banner will be pretty wide and pretty narrow, so there are physical limitations in how large the mascot can appear. If you combine all that with physical limitations of the mascot itself (face too small, sillhouette too large and static, difficult to read clearly), then you are digging yourself a hole with a mascot that can't act, express, or emote anything, so you can't use it on the website. You can only make artwork of it and share it amongst yourself. The mascot needs to work on the actual website.

So you suggested a mascot that Riven could potentially get sued over, that could get pulled from the website at any moment, that doesn't work on the site itself physically, doesn't represent all the forums, and doesn't even look presentable. You didn't say this was a mockup, you said this was your actual submission for the final mascot. The list goes on.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

I like the pink bear with wings idea. It's unique and memorable.

Should we do bat wings or dove wings? Or one of both, or something else?

1 Week ago
CZM
 

You can make fanart, that seems to be protected under free speech... But you cannot sell fanart. And businesses cannot represent themselves using someone else's controlled and protected IPs.

This is one of many reasons why animals are such a great idea: nobody can copyright a fox. That's a design from nature. But if you designed a character that looks close enough to Fox McCloud it would seem you are representing Nintendo, well, that design is not yours, and it's infringing on copyrights. Even if the lawsuit is ridiculous, companies will still pay to pursue it to make sure nobody's using their stuff. It has the potential to cause Riven so much trouble if he used it as an official mascot for this site.

Riven would choose your mascot at great risk to himself and the future of this website. Especially if it becomes popular. Especially if people find us. We are a public site that can be found from Google.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

According to S.O.H, any animal is insensitive to some issues that happened on Discord a while back, and according to Poptart makes you a furry degenerate and hitler.

Also, pink clashes. Great accent color, not main color. It's pretty easy to make a flying demon bear from hell represent GT, but if you're trying to attract more than the current userbase, you need a design with mass appeal.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

If anyone on Sega sees it and believes we are misrepresenting their brand (and if they take a look at the user behavior they definitely will claim that), they have a case to sue Riven for damages infringing on their intellectual property rights.


No.

The whole project was to get this mascot to be represented in individual forum banners across all 12 forums. So video game stuff works great for game forums, but not so much the adult or life forums.


Again, this is GameTalk. Not Adult Talk or Life Talk.

So you suggested a mascot that Riven could potentially get sued over, that could get pulled from the website at any moment, that doesn't work on the site itself physically, doesn't represent all the forums, and doesn't even look presentable.


He wont get sued. Find an example of this ever happening with any other site.

This is one of many reasons why animals are such a great idea: nobody can copyright a fox


Sega has Tails the 2 tailed fox and Fox Racing has a Fox logo.

1 Week ago
Q
 

I don't care about all this talk. I just like the pink bear idea.

1 Week ago
CZM
 

No.

Yes.

Again, this is GameTalk. Not Adult Talk or Life Talk.

So what does the banner for sexuality look like?

He wont get sued. Find an example of this ever happening with any other site.
https://www.adlilaw.com/no-fake-news-here-your-website-or-app-content-can-get-you-sued-for-copyright-infringement-unless-it-complies-with-new-law/https://99designs.com/blog/tips/5-famous-copyright-infringement-cases/
One of the cases, Modern Dog Design made a bunch of dogs on a pattern. Target cut that pattern out, put it in a heart, and sold it on a T-shirt. They're not pursuing the case, really, just prolonging it as much as possible to force Modern Dog Design to lose out from the legal fees alone, and eventually drop the charges. They, in turn, turned to crowdfunding to help assist with the legal fees, and had to sell their entire studio to keep covering the costs.

I shit you not this stuff actually happens, and if you don't take IPs seriously it can happen here.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

Yes.


No.

So what does the banner for sexuality look like?


The mascot playing with his Joystick? Again this is GameTalk, not SexTalk.

One of the cases, Modern Dog Design made a bunch of dogs on a pattern. Target cut that pattern out, put it in a heart, and sold it on a T-shirt.


Key word is sold. Using someone's property to make a profit is illegal. To use as a mascot is not. Tons of youtubers do it. Stop being salty mr. foxy.

1 Week ago
Q
 

So, the International Olympic Committee has a copyright on any arrangement of 5 rings in order to protect the integrity of the logo. Make a logo with 5 circles put together, and it'll land you in hot water. There was a case between Audi and the Olympics in 1995 that was settled in court... if Audi had one more ring, they would've lost.

It's all fine and fair use until someone notices and then suddenly it's really, really not. Even when inspired, I know better than to copy+paste designs. I wouldn't let Riven take that gamble.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

So, the International Olympic Committee has a copyright on any arrangement of 5 rings in order to protect the integrity of the logo. Make a logo with 5 circles put together, and it'll land you in hot water.


Game controller, not 5 rings.

It's all fine and fair use until someone notices and then suddenly it's really, really not. Even when inspired, I know better than to copy+paste designs.


Sega literally wouldn't care about you using something from 20 years ago as your logo.

1 Week ago
Q
 

No.

Yes. I can do this all day.

The mascot playing with his Joystick? Again this is GameTalk, not SexTalk.

So where on the site is the mascot going to appear? What size will it be? Are you actually thinking about these things, or you just really want to see what a controller with hands and feet looks like?

Key word is sold. Using someone's property to make a profit is illegal. To use as a mascot is not. Tons of youtubers do it. Stop being salty mr. foxy.

Youtubers commission artists to produce works for them, that's different. The sale of the work officially makes the work the responsibility of the person who purchased it, not the artist, and when artists are commissioned for icons/banners/etc and use an OC, that's a 100% fair deal. Even non-profits and individuals do get sued if a company feels the use of their property is damaging to their reputation. Nike sued MSCHF and settled so anyone purchasing the Jesus or Satan shoes can get a full refund. I could've sworn I heard at one point Mike was contacted about the use of Mario on the original GT and had to stop using it or face serious consequences. That was resolved amicably.

The reason there aren't many cases of mascots being stolen is because most people aren't stupid enough to try it.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

The difference is that Mario as a character is trademarked. The trademark for the Dreamcast controller is for a functional piece of hardware. Not the general look of the controller.

1 Week ago
Ratatoskr
 

Yes. I can do this all day.


No, and stay down.

So where on the site is the mascot going to appear? What size will it be?


Top Left. 1/4 quarter scale measurements based off real controller.

Are you actually thinking about these things, or you just really want to see what a controller with hands and feet looks like?


Yes and Yes as I literally made one.

Youtubers commission artists to produce works for them, that's different.


So the youtuber cant also be the artist?

The reason there aren't many cases of mascots being stolen is because most people aren't stupid enough to try it.


Not stealing a mascot that someone else is using.

1 Week ago
Q
 

Sega is producing merchandise using the Dreamcast branding. People here are saying it's not copyrighted when the controller is literally being sold on a T-Shirt on their official website.
https://shop.sega.com/pages/search-results-page?q=dreamcast
There's no use arguing with idiots. Do what you want. It's Riven's issue, and yours. Not mine.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

Sega is producing merchandise using the Dreamcast branding. People here are saying it's not copyrighted when the controller is literally being sold on a T-Shirt on their official website.


Really wish you'd learn the difference between selling something with copyrighted logo's and using a mascot based off of a product thats not being sold.

1 Week ago
Q
 

Just because the product isn't being sold anymore doesn't mean the IP rights magically go to public domain. Disney didn't use Mickey Mouse in any cartoons or shorts for a certain amount of time, but they still aggressively pursued the rights to keep the character forever. YES, the likeness of a company's product is part of intellectual property. It's not limited to just their logos.

Just make your own controller. Simple.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

Just make your own controller. Simple.


See OP.

1 Week ago
Q
 

That looks suspiciously similar to a controller I played Sonic Adventure 2 with. Are you affiliated to Sega? Why do they support hate speech?

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

I'm gonna contact Sega and ask them why they support hate speech. I found your website on Google, they can just search GTX0 and it'll pop up.

^ An actual thing that can happen and land Riven in trouble. Not saying it will happen, just saying it can. Arguing with you further is a waste of my life.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

That looks suspiciously similar to a controller I played Sonic Adventure 2 with. Are you affiliated to Sega? Why do they support hate speech?


This fox looks suspiciously similar to a character I played Star Fox with. Are you affiliated to Nintendo? Why do they support hate speech?

I'm gonna contact Nintendo and ask them why they support hate speech. I found your website on Google, they can just search GTX0 and it'll pop up.

^ An actual thing that can happen and land Riven in trouble. Not saying it will happen, just saying it can. Arguing with you further is a waste of my life.

1 Week ago
Q
 

pink bear wing

1 Week ago
CZM
 

This fox looks suspiciously similar to a character I played Star Fox with.

It wouldn't hold up. The fox is a different design. The gear is different. The clothes are different. The design is different. Nintendo doesn't have a monopoly on the concept of a fox on 2 legs.

I made an original design, you copy+pasted a Dreamcast controller and slapped arms and a face on it. You think these two are the same. Arguing with you guys is completely pointless. And that's entirely the problem.


1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

I made an original design, you copy+pasted a Dreamcast controller and slapped arms and a face on it. You think these two are the same.


I did a little more than that.

1 Week ago
Q
 

Do whatever you want. It'll blow up in Riven's face, not yours. If the site gets taken down, don't say I didn't warn you. I offered an original design, still not finished yet, and you offered not only a terrible design, but a ticking time bomb. If the majority of users agree with you and Riven moves forward with it, you all definitely deserve whatever you get. It's not gonna work for all the forums on this site, which you're happy to ignore, it's not a good looking design at a small size, potential for legal issues, etc. etc.

My opinion doesn't matter to you anyways, so, just do whatever you want. Put it to a vote. Make it happen. Do the work. Yourself. It's your project now.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

I think Riven and Gtx0 taking on Big Sega is the kind of PR boost both he and the site need right now.

1 Week ago
Agis
 

Agis are you still on discord.

1 Week ago
S.O.H.
 

That definitely wouldn't happen. If Riven moves forward with a lawsuit it wouldn't land in his favor. Like the studio that tried to claim copyright, they extended the process for so long the studio had to shut down, and their design was literally stolen from them. If Riven wants to "take down" SEGA, SEGA doesn't have to do much to say they don't want to be affiliated with a site like this, given the content. But Riven has a TON to prove that it doesn't damage SEGA's reputation, it is different enough to be considered fair use, etc. etc.

You're going on forever about this. Just put it to a vote and make it the mascot if you're so confident it's a good idea. Nothing's stopping you. Literally nothing.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

I haven’t been, no. Not since about mid-March. Been busy banging them books.

1 Week ago
Agis
 

Well that makes sense. Nvm I dont have you as a friend on discord but uh I will be in DC month of May. HMU.

1 Week ago
S.O.H.
 

If the site gets taken down, don't say I didn't warn you.


If Riven wants to "take down" SEGA, SEGA doesn't have to do much to say they don't want to be affiliated with a site like this, given the content. But Riven has a TON to prove that it doesn't damage SEGA's reputation, it is different enough to be considered fair use, etc. etc.


How do you know SEGA wouldn't like seeing their brand kept alive?

It's not gonna work for all the forums on this site, which you're happy to ignore, it's not a good looking design at a small size, potential for legal issues, etc. etc.


Your postivity knows no bounds.

1 Week ago
Q
 

How do you know SEGA wouldn't like seeing their brand kept alive?

SEGA sued a company that reverse engineered their licensing to allow games to be published without their control. The case ultimately won in Accolade's favor, but it shows SEGA cares more about their control of their software than they do about "keeping their name alive." After all, even unlicensed games on their system would give consumers more of a reason to purchase it.

Most of these cases don't become public cases, they're hard to find if you're not a lawyer, and I AM NOT A LAWYER. But I know they exist, and we're always told not to copy for this reason.

Your postivity knows no bounds.

Not my fault you literally don't know what you're doing. Show me where on this website your mascot will go, and prove to everyone on GT if it actually looks good. You're just doing whatever. That's fine, but it's whatever.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

SEGA sued a company that reverse engineered their licensing to allow games to be published without their control.


That was on the Sega Genesis and is a completely different circumstance than this.

.......and I AM NOT A LAWYER.


Good to know.

Show me where on this website your mascot will go, and prove to everyone on GT if it actually looks good.


Prove to everyone or just you since you're the only one against it right now?

1 Week ago
Q
 

Prove to everyone or just you since you're the only one against it right now.

I'm not against anything. Simply pointing out issues that would need to be resolved if you want it to read clearly when it's rendered 160 pixels high.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

I'm not against anything. Simply pointing out issues that would need to be resolved if you want it to read clearly when it's rendered 160 pixels high.


Shrink it to 160 pixels and see for yourself.

1 Week ago
Q
 

Could be a lot better. Could be something other than a stolen IP. Not that you really care for an expert's opinion, anyways. You're the expert here. You make the decisions. If you're happy with this guy, put it to a vote. Then do the work to make it happen.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

Could be something other than a stolen IP.


Not stolen.

Not that you really care for an expert's opinion, anyways. You're the expert here.


So........ I shouldn't care for my own opinion?

1 Week ago
Q
 

If your opinion is to copy an IP that is literally not yours and make it the mascot of another website entirely, that's not really an opinion, that's a risk that the courts would need to decide. If it does happen Riven would not be able to handle the legal fees, and Sega has more than enough money to squeeze him. I suggested you design your own controller and you won't do that, it has to be a Dreamcast controller. And you insist it's covered by fair use, but you fail to acknowledge fair use doesn't protect everyone from using copyrights anyway they want. There are cases of fair use being challenged by the Supreme Court. There are cases of fair use for non-profit, non-commercial use still resulting in fines. The people who research this stuff have access that is not immediately accessible and digestible to the public, but when we are trained we are always told what we can and can't do.

As an artist, if I sell the work to someone else and they use it on their website, it seems the law still protects the creator. But it does not protect Riven, who uses it on the website. I've said the same things 20 times, I can say it another thousand, but you still won't accept this is a legitimate concern. Maybe Sega doesn't see it and it doesn't become a problem. But it's a ticking time bomb, and I don't want him to take that risk. If he does, it's literally everyone who will be hurt. Not just you, not just him.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

If it does happen Riven would not be able to handle the legal fees, and Sega has more than enough money to squeeze him.


Didn't you say you weren't a lawyer?

As an artist, if I sell the work to someone else and they use it on their website, it seems the law still protects the creator.


The key word there is sell. No one is selling anything.

1 Week ago
Q
 

pink clashes


Depends on the pink. Hot pink, absolutely. Light, desaturated pinks? Not so much. Give it a background with lots of light blue and some light/medium purples, looks fantastic. Imo, yellow is *waaaay* harder to work with as a main character color -- either way too strong or so weak it isn't really yellow.

1 Week ago
Riven
 

The strong magenta can work as a small, rarely used accent. But whether pink clashes depends on the rendering style. It needs to read clearly and not clash. Lighter pinks read more clearly but clash even more. Would be a lot better to have a black background and strong magenta outlines. Then the mascot would stand apart from everything else on the site, and it would be deliberate. Question is whether that's really the effect you want to achieve.

I was definitely going to use orange for the fox, and yellow more as an accent color to tone down the overall brightness. But I didn't get to exploring color, yet. I focused more on the whites and neutrals to "fit in" easier.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

Also, I did think about an all-yellow outline, but that would only work for forum icons, not the rendered out illustrations.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

I was definitely going to use orange for the fox, and yellow more as an accent color to tone down the overall brightness.




1 Week ago
Q
 

The design of my fox cannot be confused with McCloud. The structure and proportions bear no resemblance. McCloud is always wearing green and red. Mine has a cyborg hand. Nintendo doesn't have a monopoly on the bipedal fox... There are foxes walking upright in fairy tales that date back thousands of years. And there are new bipedal foxes, like Swiper in Dora the Explorer, that didn't get sued for IP infringement. It's really only a problem if the two can be confused. I'll give you the time you need to process this, but forgive me if I don't want to keep repeating the same thing to you in a million different ways ad nauseam forever.

The Dreamcast controller did not grow out of the ground. Sega owns the copyright to that design. The design is part of their intellectual property. As far as suits are concerned, it's not a matter of will they, but can they. If they can, it's a risk. They can sue Riven. We can lose Gametalk. And nothing you say will change this.

1 Week ago
mariomguy
 

Very cool, SOH. Sorry to say I won't be until maybe August, it looks like. See you another time, another place bro.

1 Week ago
Agis
 

Let's be real here: SEGA ain't suing anybody here if we use a cartoon Dreamcast controller as an icon. That's just silly and absurd to think. Even if they ever *did* see this site, they're not gonna default to a lawsuit. C'mon.

Something pink though might actually work. I do think something hot pink would work too, although wouldn't be my recommendation. Kinda more of a raspberry might be nice on a dark blue/black background. (If we're doing a mascot at all. Because as I said in the other post, I really don't care if we have one or not.)

1 Week ago
Jet Presto
 

Something pink though might actually work.


OK, check this: Pink Bear holding a Dreamcast controller for the "Video Games" forum, a TV remote for "Entertainment & Media", A globe for "Politics & World", dressed as priest for "Spirituality & Philosophy", a Hammer for "Worldbuilding", A ruler and Pencil for "Creative" Forum, a Basketball or Football for "The Sports Center", Pouring something from one beaker to another beaker for "Science, Math, & Technology", Thinking for "The Nostalgia Forum", And I dont know, maybe in lingerie for "Sexuality" and Dressed as a Wizard for "Roleplaying".

1 Week ago
Q
 

OK, check this: Pink Bear holding a Dreamcast controller for the "Video Games" forum


CreamDast *cough*

1 Week ago
Tek Shmansen
 

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