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Games You Love (But Know You Probably Shouldn't)

Posted 2 Weeks ago by Jet Presto

An alternate way to put this is: what are some games you really love playing, but few others seem to like much?

Mostly, I've been thinking about this in Alan's discord where we were talking about the Final Fantasies and how wild VIII's design is. And VIII is kind of the perfect example for me of a game that like, intellectually I totally know is not well-designed. It's got tons of problems, broken mechanics, and bad elements. And yet, for whatever reason, I'm always going to rank VIII pretty high on my list of "favorites." (Like, for me, I'd - brace yourself, magma-hot take inbound - put it above IX in my list of "favorites.") (To be clear, I'd rank IX over VIII in terms of "best" because even its problems are still more cohesive and coherent than VIII's.)

But then I think about all these other games that every time I see people talk about them, everyone's like, "Yeah, it's...fine?" But I'm like, oh, I love it!

Mirror's Edge/Mirror's Edge Catalyst is another great example. Again, I'm not arguing they're great games (though I think they're better than they tend to get credit for). Definitely have a number of issues. But for whatever reason, I just loooove playing them and constantly revisit them.

Godzilla - a PS4 game that is somehow valued these days at triple-digit dollars for some stupid reason - is objectively a bad game. And it's fairly tedious. And I've never heard anyone who isn't a big Godzilla fan say they even remotely like it (which makes total sense!) And I've not even heard many Godzilla fans themselves say they like it. But even though I could probably sell my copy for a couple hundred bucks, I'm not gonna because for some stupid reason, I actually really like it. (This is hands down the *worst* video game that I definitely love.)

I don't necessarily mean things like, ok, so the Mass Effect trilogy is unbelievably dated in a number of ways. I don't think they're very good games outside their character writing. (And the general structure, to a degree.) But these are clearly beloved games that were pretty broadly popular.

So what are some games that you're a big fan of, but recognize the games aren't very good and you can't quite figure out why you love it?

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Chivalry: Medieval Warfare - Like, it's an ultraviolent bloodbath with medieval weapons, and the controls are kind of awful. But in its heyday, this game was just so fun. Not to mention the various screams and calls make it so obviously not serious, that adds to the experience.

Tak and The Power of Juju - Basically Shrek-like humor with a tribal theme. Gameplay wise, it was typical of early 2000s puzzle-platformers, or action-adventures, whatever you want to call it. IDK why, but I found the game very fun and unique.

2 Weeks ago
mariomguy
 

Darkstone, Tenchu 2, Twisted Metal 3 on the PS1.

TMNT on the NES.

2 Weeks ago
CZM
 

Is it not accurate to this thread to say Soul Reaver is one of my favorite games that most people consider dated? Like, I literally love the game design (warts and all), the music, the WRITING/DIALOGUE (my GOD--the WRITING in Soul Reaver), and the voice acting. I even enjoy the PS1 art aesthetics as well. :)

What about Kingdom Hearts 1? I genuinely consider it the best game not only the series, but of all-time. Yet everyone seems to dismiss KH1 in favor of KH2 (which is think is far more poorly designed and a much weaker narrative that follows the original). But of course, I make no secret that KH1 is my favorite game.

On a more serious note, I love...the Xenosaga trilogy. Really. The cutscenes are too long, but dang the games are overall a very enjoyable experience for me.

Some other games I really like that everyone else hates or dismisses:

Avatar: The Last Airbender on PS2.

Star Fox Adventures

Neopets: The Darkest Faerie (yes, I'm serious)

Final Fantasy X-2

There's others, but these are a few that have a special place in my heart. :)

2 Weeks ago
Alan
 

the witcher 3
portal
pillars of eternity
resident evil 4

i know these games are pretty much reviled, but i had fun playing them

2 Weeks ago
poptart!
 

I agree that KH1 is the best game in the series.

2 Weeks ago
Jet Presto
 

I think my baby poptart is joking. While Resident Evil 4 is the best action survival horror game I ever played, I don’t think i should love it as much as I do. I mean I have completed it 100% on every system it has released on. (Minus the wii version I think)

It is just solid fun.

2 Weeks ago
S.o.h.
 

One that comes to mind is Vortex on the SNES.

It’s a tough game that can be very frustrating. But it was one of the handful of games on the SNES to is the FX chip and was solely made by the chips creators. You pilot a robot that can morph into different forms and with the exception of the first level, you can go in any direction making it a very early 3D open world, sandbox style game on the SNES.

It didn’t do well both critically or commercially but it is still one of my favorite games on the SNES.

2 Weeks ago
Q
 

i was under the impression that RE4 was hated for moving at a slower pace than the previous games

2 Weeks ago
poptart!
 

i was under the impression that RE4 was hated for moving at a slower pace than the previous games

quit playing with my heart.

2 Weeks ago
S.O.H.
 

What about portal and Witcher 3? Both of those are well received games lol

2 Weeks ago
Q
 

i remember reading that both audiences and critics didn’t like the storylines/characters of those two. i thought they were pretty good though

2 Weeks ago
poptart!
 

Winback: Covert Operations for the N64.

This game is ass by every modern standard. For the time, it was pretty good though. It's a third person cover shooter for the fucking N64 of all things, but it handles the pop and shoot mechanics really, really well for when it came out. It also looks pretty great graphically for being an N64 game, especially since it went for a realistic style and those always age like poop.

The issue with the game is that a third person cover shooter is all it is. It does it okay, but that's all it can do. There's a famous quote from one of the Halo developers where they say Halo is about 30 seconds of fun over and over and over, and that's okay, because those 30 seconds are so goddamn fun. Winback is sort of like that, except it's about 5 seconds of fun over and over and over.

I loved it as a kid and I still kind of love it now. Enough to do speedruns of it, which was a fun experience because basically no one had done any work on the game at all, so it was up to me to find a ton of glitches, which helped breathe some new life into the game for me.

2 Weeks ago
The Bandit
 

oh my choice for N64 is ocarina of time. i know people didn’t like it, but it had its charms

2 Weeks ago
poptart!
 

Conflict: Desert Storm for Gamecube / PC / PS2, and in general the "Conflict" series.

Setting aside the politics of these particular games (which is admittedly a tall order)...

I think about this game a lot. It's what passed for a milsim back in 2002, and is probably unplayable by today's standards. You control a squad of 4 commandos deployed behind enemy lines to complete various objectives. Each squad member has a specific role - heavy weapons, sniper, demolitions, assault/support - that you have to utilize correctly to succeed. The player can swap between each individual squad member at will to move them around / use their equipment. But the player can only control one person at a time, and otherwise the squad members are controlled by AI behavior (in addition to your orders, like hold fire). You can also give the AI squad members orders to 'form up', or issue move commands to one/multiple AI.

It leads to some really cool tactical gameplay. You might need to cross a courtyard, so you put your sniper up on a rooftop overlooking the area. But you need someone watching his back, so you leave your assault/support guy with him. Fight your way across with 2 people (supported by the sniper), but now you've got to set up an overwatch position so that you can safely get your other two guys over. Or you might have to split your squad to deal with a tank, keeping it focused on two guys while your demolitions guy sneaks up behind it.

The game was also brutally difficult, even on easier settings. Your characters die quickly, ammo is limited, medpacks are limited, and you might have to scrounge up guns in the field just to make it through a mission. The enemy AI would spawn infinitely, especially when alarms got triggered, so you were always on the clock. Light tanks could be dealt with easily (assuming you had anti-tank missiles left over), while heavier armor was a nightmare that could easily end your mission with a single mistake. Some missions gave your squad a tank/vehicle to use, which was often more of a death trap than a benefit. I loved everything about it, and I would spend entire afternoons trying to find the right tactical approach to some of the later missions.

Oh, and as a bonus the game supported couch co-op. In which case, each player would be responsible for handling two squad members. Depending on your communication skills, this either made the game easier or impossible.

There aren't really a lot of games that do the 'squad tactics' approach to combat, especially not in real time. Republic Commando, which just got a switch re-release, is notable for it. But even RC's version felt limited in comparison to the Conflict series.
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2 Weeks ago
Count Dooku
 

I played that game to death on the GC. I wonder if I still have a copy.

2 Weeks ago
S.O.H.
 

oh my choice for N64 is ocarina of time. i know people didn’t like it, but it had its charms


Yeah everyone hates that piece of junk. I’m glad it never won any awards.

2 Weeks ago
Q
 

Yeah everyone hates that piece of junk. I’m glad it never won any awards.


yeah this is how most people feel about it, i think. i actually liked it though. i would have given it like, a "best level design" award for the water temple, if it were up to me

2 Weeks ago
poptart!
 

For me a soundtrack can make a bad game good and a meh game great. Final Fantasy VIII is an example of this. It might have the single best OST of any game I've ever played. Doing boring stuff while listening to great music isn't nearly as boring. Case in point: Homework. I think the soundtrack helps pokemon too. Those games would be so dull and repetitive if the music wasn't so good. Same with James Bond Nightfire 007 for PS2/Gamecube/Xbox. It's just got a stellar music line up that makes you want to believe it's as good as goldeneye, but fun fact, it's not. But I'd still play it.

1 Week ago
I killed Mufasa
 

An alternate way to put this is: what are some games you really love playing, but few others seem to like much?


Looking at my old eBay purchases for stuff on PS2... We're talking years ago and picked up a PS2 after not having one for a while.

Inuyasha: The Secret of the Cursed Mask
Metropolismania 1 and 2
Monster Rancher Evo

1 Week ago
Rika
 

i would have given it like, a "best level design" award for the water temple, if it were up to me


The water temple was the best. They should've include more dungeons like that one future Zelda games.

1 Week ago
Q
 

Lollipop Chainsaw is about the only one I can think of.

1 Week ago
Fox Forever
 

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