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## Abuse of Power much?

Posted 3 Weeks ago by HallowHalo

Hello, friends.

Tagging my post wasn't good enough for our dear leader, but he deleted my account(tsk tsk) lolz

I read the rules Xhin - and not only did my post only toe the line (w/out crossing it), but it was sarcastic haikus in a creative writing forum.

Tell me friend, why did my account get deleted?

Xhin loves tagging things
Even if they are fair game
Just playful banter

<3 HallowHalo

## There are 129 Replies

What, he did it again? I thought he was trying to improve the site or did he only want to improve some features?
Because this sounds like he is just continuing the same bad conduct...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Oh yes.

My post account and everything tagged and gone rofl

Being the unchallenged king of GTX0 must be delightful

3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

I guess he never learned anything from the Davias- Plubius debacle in original Gametalk... unless this made him think that abusing power is what to take away from that...

Well Xhin can improve the site with programming, but this won't solve the biggest problem. The site is NOT welcoming for new users if there is an abuse of power!

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Everything youre saying is so true

Also, your signature is cool... can you make me one, Denida?

Pls hmu on discord: HallowHalo#4511

3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

I didn't read the haikus, but I don't know why he deleted them. Riven is as pro free speech as I am, but maybe caving into the woke SJW mob has fundamentally changed his position on that and now he will tag any posts he doesn't like?

This site can't afford to delete threads. It's been lacking in activity, so even a satirical series of poems lambasting the site should stay up imo, but this site has a history of tagging threads that don't break the rules just cause they offend certain people with power.

3 Weeks ago
Acca Larentia

Woke SJW mob

my heart breaks for you. /s

3 Weeks ago
S.O.H.

Tagging my post wasn't good enough for our dear leader, but he deleted my account(tsk tsk) lolz

This just seems so weird. Has Riven ever deleted someone's account before?
What rationale could justify this?

This site can't afford to delete threads.

so even a satirical series of poems lambasting the site should stay up imo

I'm inclined to agree with you. Would like to know what happened here, to be honest. Especially because HH says an account was deleted, not just a thread.

But would like to hear what Riven says.

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

I guess he never learned anything from the Davias- Plubius debacle in original Gametalk

What was the davias-plubius debacle?

now he will tag any posts he doesn't like?

I "don't like" posts that serve no purpose other than starting drama. Same deal with users.

This site can't afford to delete threads. It's been lacking in activity, so even a satirical series of poems lambasting the site should stay up imo

Those particular ones fell under "negative activity", so keeping them up only contributes to decline. This post probably would be too, had you not made constructive points.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

Same deal with users.

I suppose. But every site's gonna have troublesome users.

Those particular ones fell under "negative activity"

I guess?
They were a little bad but I also kind of agree with HH that they weren't THAT bad. Your site, your call, though.

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

Riven is as pro free speech as I am, but maybe caving into the woke SJW mob has fundamentally changed his position on that

My position has changed more on the "always challenge authority" thing -- it makes more sense to encourage the community as a whole to come together on some issue and get actual meaningful results. Doing it the other way just results in drama and/or a heck of a lot of authority manipulation.

I'm still very pro-free speech outside of that kind of thing -- express whatever the fuck opinion you want. The only exception to that is literal neo-nazism because the community doesn't want that here.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

But every site's gonna have troublesome users.

I don't have a problem with users that are constructive usually -- if hallowedhalo had ever posted elsewhere, I wouldn't have also permanently banned their ip, banned their account, and added several things to the filter. If they start being more constructive, or want to reveal who they actually are (I've narrowed it down to three people) I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

"it makes more sense to encourage the community as a whole to come together on some issue"

And what, make it an echo chamber?

3 Weeks ago
I killed Mufasa

I'm still very pro-free speech outside of that kind of thing -- express whatever the fuck opinion you want. The only exception to that is literal neo-nazism because the community doesn't want that here.

Which my post wasnt, good sir

or want to reveal who they actually are (I've narrowed it down to three people)

have you rly? based on what?

If they start being more constructive

How can I do this if you keep banning me on sight, good sir?

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

But every site's gonna have troublesome users.

I don't have a problem with users that are constructive usually -- if hallowedhalo had ever posted elsewhere, I wouldn't have also permanently banned their ip, banned their account, and added several things to the filter. If they start being more constructive, or want to reveal who they actually are (I've narrowed it down to three people) I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Did you ban someone permanently for one single post? Why?

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

= or want to reveal who they actually are (I've narrowed it down to three people)

have you rly? based on what?

Am curious on this too, or if he banned some random with no justification...

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Like the sig I got you?

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Like the sig I got you?

Yepp!! it ws nice chatting with u on discord b4!

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

And what, make it an echo chamber

GTX0 has yet to be an echo chamber on anything whatsoever.

Also, good to see you again, IKM. Been a while.

Like the sig I got you?

That's pretty neat. I like the use of the uranus emoji.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

GTX0 has yet to be an echo chamber on anything whatsoever.

truth

That's pretty neat. I like the use of the uranus emoji.

u shud ask him for a sig

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

u shud ask him for a sig

Not hard to do.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

I "don't like" posts that serve no purpose other than starting drama. Same deal with users.

We've had alot of that before, I don't mind it, but I'm not telling you how to run the site.

My position has changed more on the "always challenge authority" thing -- it makes more sense to encourage the community as a whole to come together on some issue and get actual meaningful results. Doing it the other way just results in drama and/or a heck of a lot of authority manipulation.

I'm still very pro-free speech outside of that kind of thing -- express whatever the fuck opinion you want. The only exception to that is literal neo-nazism because the community doesn't want that here.

So does that mean, now that the consensus said controversial posts shouldn't be made verboten, that my MGTOW threads would be allowed?

3 Weeks ago
Acca Larentia

We've had alot of that before

Too much.

So does that mean, now that the consensus said controversial posts shouldn't be made verboten, that my MGTOW threads would be allowed?

Yep, so long as you keep it civil and don't use words like "bitch"/etc in a negative way. Same deal with anyone who replies to you.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

@Riven:
Why did they call you “deer leader”?
I didn’t even know you could lead deer!

3 Weeks ago
chiarizio

haiku

As a form, haiku requires kigo and kireji, which some or all of your poems do not feature. What you have written is kami-no-ku.

3 Weeks ago
CZM

Yep, so long as you keep it civil and don't use words like "bitch"/etc in a negative way. Same deal with anyone who replies to you.

again not sumthing i did. Based on everything you’re saying, good sir, my post shudnt hav been removed and i shudnt hav been banned on sight 2 times! am i gunna get an apology at some point? roflmao
however, credit where credit is due, thx for not banning me this time lolz

side note——— im calling your bluff. U said u have 3 suspects. sharing is caring, kind sir.

I didn’t even know you could lead deer!
i hav a sarcastic comment abt how this is abt all he can lead but im scared the dear leader cant take a joke and will only ban me again

As a form, haiku requires kigo and kireji, which some or all of your poems do not feature. What you have written is kami-no-ku.
thx! didnt knw this b4 and have never heard this distinction in the west always thought it was just syllable and flow lolz ill look this up to educate myself

(Stillllll getting used to remembering a sig on my posts lmfao how do ppl make a habit of this???)
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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

I guess because I ruminate on things for a while before coming to a decision.

Why did they call you “deer leader”?

Because I reindeer.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

What was the davias-plubius debacle?

Oh, I am sorry, must have been before you were a moderator at original Gmetalk. MY MISTAKE, it was fully my mistake. I admit I screwed up... You know the thing leaders do, show leadership, which you never could?

And are you never going to reply to Hollow? Only reply to the things you want to answer?

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Oh, I am sorry, must have been before you were a moderator at original Gmetalk

I'm curious about it just the same, since I've seen both of those names here. I became a mod in 2004.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

I'm curious about it just the same, since I've seen both of those names here. I became a mod in 2004.

Good for you. Then ask them, nothing you have done here proves you could handle these details from me, past is the past anyway...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Incidentally I don't know if you guys were close at all but plubius died a while back:
We were pretty close, so it was pretty sad.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

@Denida - Are you actually the real Denida?

I wouldn't put it past someone to use that name as a meme.

I went by "the oi" way back.

3 Weeks ago
I killed Mufasa

Oh, I am sorry, must have been before you were a moderator at original Gmetalk. MY MISTAKE, it was fully my mistake. I admit I screwed up... You know the thing leaders do, show leadership, which you never could?

LMFAO good example of an apologyyyy!!!! all leaders here take note if u exist at all!!! (CZM not included, i like CZM)

And are you never going to reply to Hollow? Only reply to the things you want to answer?
its k. our beloved leader thinks if he ignores me long enough ill fade in2 the ether lmfao let em all think that

joyful side notes:
if im getting ignored i wont get banned
just wait until wednesdays post if i remember 2 make it
i remembered my sig this time woohoo!!!!! thx again denida!! wuz nice meeting u the other day!!!

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

I went by "the oi" way back.

I totally keep forgetting you’re the oi haha

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

@Denida - Are you actually the real Denida?

I wouldn't put it past someone to use that name as a meme.

I went by "the oi" way back.

Yes. Bad or good, is me.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

if im getting ignored i wont get banned

Don't bet on it, we're talking about Xhin here.

just wait until wednesdays post if i remember 2 make it

Sounds fun.

i remembered my sig this time woohoo!!!!! thx again denida!! wuz nice meeting u the other day!!!

Was nice, yes. Liked it, you can msg me anytime.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

LMFAO good example of an apologyyyy!

Also, my god, your typing style is obnoxious. I don’t even know what to say to the rest of that.

Don't bet on it, we're talking about Xhin here.

Harsh lol but seeing as HH says they got banned a few times, who knows lol

Was nice, yes. Liked it, you can msg me anytime.

Aww you made a new friend! Lol

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

Also, my god, your typing style is obnoxious. I don’t even know what to say to the rest of that.

Harsh lol but seeing as HH says they got banned a few times, who knows lol

What do you expect from someone who took the moderator name of final fantasy X, Shin who got globally banned to be known as a shin and just added an X in, he's not exactly artistic lol

Aww you made a new friend! Lol

Hallow is nice.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

What do you expect from someone who took the moderator name of final fantasy X, Shin who got globally banned to be known as a shin and just added an X in, he's not exactly artistic lol

Wait. Is this how you came up with this? @Riven
I’ve been meaning to ask you lol

Hallow is nice.

Maybe I’ll reach out to them on the discord, then.

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

just wait until wednesdays post if i remember 2 make it

Make it good. Not that it would be hard to outdo this thread.

3 Weeks ago
Acca Larentia

Maybe I’ll reach out to them on the discord, then.

heres my discord again HallowHalo#4511 ne1 can msg me netime!!

Make it good. Not that it would be hard to outdo this thread.
no promises but ill do my best w/ the ideas i hav

its late here night guys!

Edit: fucking siiiiiiig!!! Denida how do u do it every timeeeeee??

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

Edit: fucking siiiiiiig!!! Denida how do u do it every timeeeeee??

Habit lol

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Wait. Is this how you came up with this? @Riven

No, it's a respelling of "Zen" (with a pin-pen merger) and is pronounced as such.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

Ah okay. Makes sense.

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

Habit lol
yeeeeeep learned if i dont copy paste the sig rite away i forget it every time!!! Maaaannnnnnn!!!

No, it's a respelling of "Zen" (with a pin-pen merger) and is pronounced as such.
Denida’s version is funnier this explanation sounds arrogant as heck roflmao still gewd 2 kno

Weird Occuraaance!! Thx for reaching ouuuuuuut!!! ill get bck 2 u l8ter!

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

= Habit lol

By the way, you were right. I did know you. I found you in my old pointless file.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

By the way, you were right. I did know you. I found you in my old pointless file

~GASP~ that file of baddies u told me about??? i didnt kno u still had that hahaha but im honored rofl my legacy lives ooooonnnn!!

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

=By the way, you were right. I did know you. I found you in my old pointless file

~GASP~ that file of baddies u told me about??? i didnt kno u still had that hahaha but im honored rofl my legacy lives ooooonnnn!!

56k words and notes on users for years. So don't sweat it, it even has Xhin impersonating me. lol

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

So don't sweat it, it even has Xhin impersonating me. lol

whaaaaaaat??? our dear leader was a baddie once?? say it ain’t so!!!
(but rly im not surprised the good sir’s present reflects his roots XP)

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

(but rly im not surprised the good sir’s present reflects his roots XP)

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Can you get on discord? I thought of something that may interest, I can show you a note I have on file I don't want to share in public.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Can you get on discord? I thought of something that may interest, I can show you a note I have on file I don't want to share in public.

Omgomgomgomgomg yaaas!!! ill be on in 5 i need to respond to Weird Occurance neway lolz

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

By the way, you were right. I did know you. I found you in my old pointless file.

I’m guessing you still don’t want to tell me who HH is? I haven’t figured it out yet lol

(but rly im not surprised the good sir’s present reflects his roots XP)

Cynical me always says people don’t change. But I also always try to see the best in people. Ugh.
Also, nice chatting with you HH! Reach out whenever.

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

I’m guessing you still don’t want to tell me who HH is? I haven’t figured it out yet lol

Not my call...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Oh hey Denida

Nice to see you posting from a troll account.

0/10 fail troll attempt though

3 Weeks ago
Rika

Out of all the obscenities, flaming, trolling, and calls for violence on GTX0 throughout the years, you call THAT trolling? That's where you draw the line?

3 Weeks ago
Acca Larentia

Oh hey Denida

Nice to see you posting from a troll account.

0/10 fail troll attempt though

Pardon me?

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Out of all the obscenities, flaming, trolling, and calls for violence on GTX0 throughout the years, you call THAT trolling? That's where you draw the line?

trolling? wuuuuuut??? im just trying to get the good sir running this hellhole to make things better here but if thats gone over his head ill state it here lolz

Pardon me?
do u all think hes me or sumthing?

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

So, I was told to look at this. LMAO

The the fact that Denida, arguably the most well known mod in GameTalk history could be trolling is legitimately hilarious.

Hear me out, if it were true then that fact in itself is a massive fuck you to gtx0 given how iconic he is. Like can you even call this GT if it's been mismanaged to the point where Lord Denida is trolling with an abuse of power thread?

LMAO

3 Weeks ago
Elite

And today, Elite has won the internet haha

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

So, I was told to look at this. LMAO

The the fact that Denida, arguably the most well known mod in GameTalk history could be trolling is legitimately hilarious.

Hear me out, if it were true then that fact in itself is a massive fuck you to gtx0 given how iconic he is. Like can you even call this GT if it's been mismanaged to the point where Lord Denida is trolling with an abuse of power thread?

LMAO

Flatter me, thanks.
I would help, but I haven't modded for 12 years. Plus, sorry to say but GTX0 is too gone for me to save it if Xhin won't stop abusing his power and refuses to apologize because he's just that incompetent...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

I would help, but I haven't modded for 12 years.

Didn't Daniel offer you his version of pointless on GTR? Iirc on TOGT it was metalsnake or something.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

Like or hate you, you're the most recognizable name here. If I'd never interacted with I'd know you were pointless mod atleast. I wouldn't call it flattery. Just stating the facts.

Anyhow, still waiting to see that apology post Riven. ;) I know you're checking in on this thread.

Edit: was semi joking but I love how Xhin responded a second before me.

3 Weeks ago
Elite

Like can you even call this GT if it's been mismanaged to the point where Lord Denida is trolling with an abuse of power thread?
based on wut Denida showed me in his pointless file he wuz a much better mod than xhin
rly he actually gave a fuck
AND APOLOGIZED WHEN HE MESSED UP roflmao that last part wasnt in the file but had to say it for clarity

w/e the fuck this isnt going to get validated

night peeps!

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

Like or hate you, you're the most recognizable name here. If I'd never interacted with I'd know you were pointless mod atleast. I wouldn't call it flattery. Just stating the facts.

Good enough lol

Anyhow, still waiting to see that apology post Riven. ;) I know you're checking in on this thread.

Checking, and never doing anything...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Checking, and never doing anything...
alllwaaaaaayyyys!!! xhins the ultimate lurker who doesnt give a shit about his own conduct roflmfao
his community comes first but im prtty sure he hasnt realized this yet
putting all his effort into that shatterloop post to run away from actual problems and procrastinate lolz
Denida ur pointless file tells the whole story lolz

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

Denida ur pointless file tells the whole story lolz

... and I only showed you a part lol

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

... and I only showed you a part lol

Tell me you've at least shown me more than you've shown to HH.

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

Tell me you've at least shown me more than you've shown to HH.

I showed you the stuff about the users you were looking for/ know. Hallow I was showing dirt on Xhin.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Hallow I was showing dirt on Xhin.

What, you don't trust me with this? Haha

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

What, you don't trust me with this? Haha

Do you want to see it? Hallow I showed because of knowing them at original Gametalk.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Do you want to see it?

Yes, of course I want to see it lol

Hallow I showed because of knowing them at original Gametalk.

I swear to god if HH is Uiif..
I mean, I knew you at orig GT, too. Just, um... not personally. lol

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

Not commenting on who Hallow is. Not my place to say... and they won't say themselves until Xhin stops abusing his power. He needs to stop giving everyone who kisses his ass a free pass here and needs to apologize to the people he hurt.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Not commenting on who Hallow is.

thx Denida!! dont worry Weird Occurance, ill tell u eventually bc this:

and they won't say themselves until Xhin stops abusing his power. He needs to stop giving everyone who kisses his ass a free pass here and needs to apologize to the people he hurt.

will never happen!! lyk I think this wud hav 2 be a sign of the impending apocalypse roflmfao

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

A long long time ago I decided I needed to pretend to be someone else for whatever reason (usually to give myself support or sometimes to get unrelated people to support me). The absolute best way to do that seemed to be to change my writing style and attitude, and the easiest way to do that was by using words and spellings that I wouldn't use normally.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

A long long time ago I decided I needed to pretend to be someone else for whatever reason (usually to give myself support or sometimes to get unrelated people to support me). The absolute best way to do that seemed to be to change my writing style and attitude, and the easiest way to do that was by using words and spellings that I wouldn't use normally.

Are you saying you want me to believe YOU are Hallow, that you are smart enough for this? It would make sense... Hallow keeps obsessively asking you to apologize.
Is this a mind game you're playing to procrastinate further; calling yourself out with no intent to improve?

As for my file, why would I add more. You are stating something fully unsubstantiated, and you're not exactly a trustworthy one here...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

how long r u going to put this off? what weve been asking 4 isnt rocket science

not rly surprising all our posts just bring traffic to ur site dear leader
so keep putting off apologizing 2 ppl u hurt
this will continue gtx0 will get traffic and ull be hppy, amirite??? thats all u care abt traffic ad rev nething that brings u 

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

this will continue gtx0 will get traffic and ull be hppy, amirite??? thats all u care abt traffic ad rev nething that brings u 

...And it gives him the attention he craves, why he obviously keeps a site with less than ten people alive...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

...And it gives him the attention he craves, why he obviously keeps a site with less than ten people alive...

Riven learned how to code back in 2009 to start GTX0. He didn't even know Java or the simplest coding languages when he declared that he wanted to start a new GT site. I don't think he maintains it for attention, he keeps it up maybe cause he's attached to it.

I don't think this site costs much to maintain, so it's not like it's a burden or anything. There are fewer people here, but Xhin might be close to the people who are here, and some of them might have similar feelings to the site as he does, so he may keep GTX0 for them also.

3 Weeks ago
Acca Larentia

he keeps it up maybe cause he's attached to it.

Who wouldn't be attached to something they've had for 12 years?

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

Yeah, he's invested alot (money, and time) into the site, so it makes sense that he would be attached to it.

3 Weeks ago
Acca Larentia

alot (money, and time) into the site

and other ppls \$ dont forget the 5000 USD he stole for “maintenance”!!!

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

The person who donated the money (Masse) didn't have a problem with it. He said he donated it so that the site could stay up and it was for anything to help with that, including the owner having a place to live.

3 Weeks ago
Acca Larentia

I don't think he maintains it for attention, he keeps it up maybe cause he's attached to it.

I care about GTX0 and its community a lot (though I've been scaling this back a lot lately -- impacting my IRL too much). I also enjoy working on it (especially the new site).

I don't think this site costs much to maintain, so it's not like it's a burden or anything.

It's a heck of a lot cheaper than it used to be. I don't mind paying it every month.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

I care about GTX0 and its community a lot (though I've been scaling this back a lot lately -- impacting my IRL too much). I also enjoy working on it (especially the new site).

Stop with the real life excuse. This is your community and if you were any sort of a leader, you’d own up to your mistakes and apologize to the people here you’ve hurt.
You keep saying your apology is still coming, but we all still have yet to see any semblance of this. Your drunk rant with some apologizing and a lot of insults doesn’t count as an apology and you know it.
Pulling everyone into DMs to make them come around to your side and your point of view doesn’t count, either. How hard can it possibly be to say you’re sorry? Unless you don’t feel bad at all..

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

How hard can it possibly be to say you’re sorry? Unless you don’t feel bad at all..

oooooohhhhhhh saying it lyk it isssss je t’aimeeeee
as it stands i doubt the good sir cares much
its all just words

peace out fools!!! g2g 4 now

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

I guess to clear up any continued confusion:

• I don't plan on making any future personal apologies public. Too much spectacle, which is bad for everyone involved.

• I've made a few already privately. Anyone I haven't apologized to yet I either have mixed feelings about or have no desire to apologize to. These will happen in their own time as I work through some things or not at all respectively.

• Denida, I don't answer to you. Harsh, but needed to be said.

Sorry to anyone who had the wrong impression.

• 3 Weeks ago
Riven

waaaaait!!! ur rly telling us u made grey make a public apology 2 see how itd go & when it didnt go well, u decided ‘fuck it im not doing tht’ and made all ur apologies privately????

gewd god thts low

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

* Denida, I don't answer to you. Harsh, but needed to be said.

When have I told you to answer to me? I don't care what you say to me, but do care what you say to the users, and you apparently don't give a rats ass about showing humility on the site, showing accountability for not handling the site well, and letting Grey MANIPULATE you.
By the way, I have a really hard time believing you apologized at all, seeing as Hallow and I have been on your case for it for almost a week and you didn't even address it until now...

Sorry to anyone who had the wrong impression.

First thing you said that imitates something genuine. Your conduct makes it hard to believe this after you lied and procrastinated so many times.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Harsh, but needed to be said.

Oh boy. If you think this is harsh, you must not know Elite.
Or anyone else from the old days, for that matter lol

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

Or anyone else from the old days, for that matter lol

No troublemaker, or REAL mod, would give an answer that weak, yes.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

To be fair Xhin you told everyone both publically and privately you'd be making a post. Everyones over it so it doesn't matter but don't kid yourself saying you did it in private or that you fixed things in a satisfactory way.

Also, excluding it for those you don't deem worth it is wrong. You literally have a mindset of "everyones mean to me, i saved GT, brought everyone together, etc and deserve better." to be fair we were all in contact by other means without GT before gtx0 and obviously still would be without it, a huge chunk of the community is currently doing great without you, and the only part of this site to see any success in the last 8 years or so was the discord and the credit for that goes to Cheri.

You've done nothing but make a cesspool.

Furthermore you decided that gtx0 is community run and as its admin you answer to the community. You don't answer to Denida but rather every single user here. Although being community run is just a cheap way for you to do less work. Mods would of been fine if you didnt overturn everything they do or asked before appointing them.

3 Weeks ago
Elite

So don't start that sorry if you had the wrong impression nonsense.

3 Weeks ago
Elite

Oh boy. If you think this is harsh, you must not know Elite.

Thanks, I love you. ♡

3 Weeks ago
Elite

To be fair Xhin you told everyone both publically and privately you'd be making a post. Everyones over it so it doesn't matter but don't kid yourself saying you did it in private, that you fixed things in satisfactory way.

This is really true. It's up to you if you want to handle it different, but showing some respect via a public statement of error, even if you don't apologize, would be sufficient for most.

Also, excluding it for those you don't deem worth it is wrong.

Agree. Taking the high road is better. You can still apologize for whatever wrongs you committed through your own actions, then talk about how everything could've been handled better between the both of you afterwards. Having excess pride is not a good trait, and letting it cloud your wrongdoings is even worse. If you have committed even an ounce of a wrong, you should apologize.

You don't answer to Denida but rather every single user here. Although being community run is just a cheap way for you to do less work. Mods would of been fine if you didnt overturn everything they do or asked before appointing them.

I know nothing about Riven overturning mod decisions, but have heard some like this.
But answering to every single user, yes. A leader is nothing without their community. It's like being in the service industry, have to be respectful and nice if you want people to come back and you want people to come back because without them, you wouldn't have what you have. Being a leader isn't about having blanket authority; it's about humbling yourself to realize you are indebted to the people who are here, surrounding you. Do wrong and they'll leave, don't apologize and they won't come back. A leader serves their community, not the other way around.

Furthermore you decided that gtx0 is community run and as its admin you answer to the community.

This speaks to the above, as well, but seems like a subpoint of it.
You can have a platform that's community run.
You can choose this style. And I think there's value in it because that's how you prevent a dictatorship community. And that's great and all, but if you're doing this, you still need to work. You still need to listen to what people are telling you and you still need to work your ass off to not fall prey to favoritism, to show respect, and to recognize that you are the final voice, and the "figurehead" of your community and so your face, voice, and respect for others must still be omni-present in every interaction you have. Everyone KNOWS you own GTX0. Everyone knows you put the dev time into it. Everyone knows you settle disputes. Everyone knows you bring up topics for discussion. Everyone knows you're in charge. And whether you make this place community-run or not, everything you do must still be respectable. You don't see CEOs of public companies running around acting like ninnies just because a board of directors is actually in charge. You have to, by requirement, always put your best foot forward because you are the face of GTX0. You will always be the face of GTX0. You represent this place, even if it is community run. You want everyone involved in making decisions? Great. You still need to show respect, humility, and all those important features that make this a welcoming community with a respectable person at the center of it all to consume and RESPECT the feedback they're being given, and to recognize when they fuck up, even a little. And when two people are wronged, if you hurt one, you better damn well apologize and you can always talk to them about where they hurt you, too. Like that guide on apologies a few weeks ago said, you're not apologizing because you expect one in return. You're doing it because it's the right fucking thing to do.

Thanks, I love you. ♡

Love you too, Elite

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

you apparently don't give a rats ass about showing humility on the site, showing accountability for not handling the site well

We're all adults here -- not all conflicts are entirely my (or any single person's) fault. It's well past time for people to take responsibility for their own actions.

and letting Grey MANIPULATE you.

Whatever amount of that that happened is on me.

By the way, I have a really hard time believing you apologized at all, seeing as Hallow and I have been on your case for it for almost a week

I haven't done anything new since this post came out, nor do I plan on doing anything based solely on the toxic replies inside.

Anyway, onto the opinions of people I do respect:

Oh boy. If you think this is harsh, you must not know Elite.

It's harsh for me.

but don't kid yourself saying you did it in private, that you fixed things in satisfactory way.

I don't. My goal isn't to once again singlehandedly fix things though.

You literally have a mindset of "everyones mean to me, i saved GT, brought everyone together, etc and deserve better."

I do deserve better, but that's the only part of that that I believe. GT was doing just fine in Daniel's hands.

a huge chunk of the community is currently doing great without you

A separate chunk wants nothing to do with that chunk of the community. GT remains cliqued as it always has been.

and the only part of this site to see any success in the last 8 years or so was the discord and the credit for that goes to Cheri.

Yes, the credit for the success of the discord does go to Cheri.

You've done nothing but make a cesspool.

A lot of people have contributed to making this a cesspool, including you at different times (and the ex-pointless mod Denida currently). And yes, I have a role in that as well -- but it isn't nearly as big as imagined.

Furthermore you decided that gtx0 is community run and as its admin you answer to the community.

That's not how that system works, nor is that ever truly how a website works.

Mods would of been fine if you didnt overturn everything they do or asked before appointing them.

I don't know if you've been around at all the last twelve years, but having mods without having a consistent content policy has been absolute chaos. Maybe I should make parts of the mod forum public.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

You can choose this style. And I think there's value in it because that's how you prevent a dictatorship community. And that's great and all, but if you're doing this, you still need to work. You still need to listen to what people are telling you and you still need to work your ass off to not fall prey to favoritism, to show respect, and to recognize that you are the final voice, and the "figurehead" of your community and so your face, voice, and respect for others must still be omni-present in every interaction you have. Everyone KNOWS you own GTX0. Everyone knows you put the dev time into it. Everyone knows you settle disputes. Everyone knows you bring up topics for discussion. Everyone knows you're in charge. And whether you make this place community-run or not, everything you do must still be respectable. You don't see CEOs of public companies running around acting like ninnies just because a board of directors is actually in charge. You have to, by requirement, always put your best foot forward because you are the face of GTX0. You will always be the face of GTX0. You represent this place, even if it is community run. You want everyone involved in making decisions? Great. You still need to show respect, humility, and all those important features that make this a welcoming community with a respectable person at the center of it all to consume and RESPECT the feedback they're being given, and to recognize when they fuck up, even a little. And when two people are wronged, if you hurt one, you better damn well apologize and you can always talk to them about where they hurt you, too. Like that guide on apologies a few weeks ago said, you're not apologizing because you expect one in return. You're doing it because it's the right fucking thing to do.

How to do it right, is doing it how Mike on Orginal Gametalk did it. He was respected and made apologies when he failed, REAL apologies. Not saying he would, only to chicken out.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

We're all adults here -- not all conflicts are entirely my (or any single person's) fault. It's well past time for people to take responsibility for their own actions.

Whatever amount of that that happened is on me.

Yet, you didn't bother saying sorry...

I haven't done anything new since this post came out, nor do I plan on doing anything based solely on the toxic replies inside.

So you are telling me you still can't do anything except being an incompetent mod?

Anyway, onto the opinions of people I do respect:

I'm not looking for respect from someone I considered the worst mod in Gametalk history. And you want to be childish and ignore users, go ahead; it just confirms what everybody thinks of you.

It's harsh for me.

Then you are as always INCABLE of handling it.

I do deserve better, but that's the only part of that that I believe. GT was doing just fine in Daniel's hands.

What does Daniel has to do with how bad you run GTX0?

A lot of people have contributed to making this a cesspool, including you at different times (and the ex-pointless mod Denida currently). And yes, I have a role in that as well -- but it isn't nearly as big as imagined.

And I would not be here if you didn't drag the site down and ABUSED your power repeatedly at the few cases you can bother to do anything on the site other than 'I am on the phone.'

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

To be fair Xhin you told everyone both publically and privately you'd be making a post.
bruh this is y im here
2 mke this exact pnt

Whatever amount of that that happened is on me.
maybe nxt time ull actually say its a problem and say sorry
cant believe grey beat you to apologizing even if its only bc u told him 2

I haven't done anything new since this post came out, nor do I plan on doing anything based solely on the toxic replies inside.
toxic replies on a toxic site that’s toxic bc of toxic leadership (fixed it 4 u)

Anyway, onto the opinions of people I do respect:
i cant help but notice u still hvnt said a word 2 me
if its bc i hvnt said who i am the door swings both ways
u never rly said who u think i am so y shud i show u more respect

A separate chunk wants nothing to do with that chunk of the community. GT remains cliqued as it always has been.
cliques yep
but 1st time it mde a huge chunk of ppl leave
y do u think that is???

A lot of people have contributed to making this a cesspool, including you at different times (and the ex-pointless mod Denida currently). And yes, I have a role in that as well -- but it isn't nearly as big as imagined.
see above 4 pnt abt ppl leaving
also everything Weird Occurance said
it being a shithole falls back on shitty leadership & an unsafe community

That's not how that system works, nor is that ever truly how a website works.
mmmmmmkay but its how a community works

I don't know if you've been around at all the last twelve years, but having mods without having a consistent content policy has been absolute chaos. Maybe I should make parts of the mod forum public.

what r mods supposed to do if they a) cant make their own rules and b) dont have rules to enforce???
srsly thank GOD ur working on this bc it’s been a fucking joke
maybe they can actually clean this place up now

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

u never rly said who u think i am so y shud i show u more respect

Respect is earned too. He NEVER earned mine at original GT and has done nothing to earn it since...

maybe they can actually clean this place up now

Don't hold your breath, we are talking about the mod who deleted a thread with less then 3 replies at origin GT and he only got worse...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

but the more i think abt it everything that happened w/grey was ur fault good sir
a gewd admin wudnt let it go on that long wudve put a stop 2 it much faster and wudve listened to the community complaints sooner
noone wud want the community 2 hurt this bad unless they really dont give a fuck abt ppl
u let it break the community apart
u broke the promise to mke it up 2 ppl who were hurt
u made a selfish regrets post that hurt these ppl more
they were still open 2 giving u a chance and u didnt care
u never do...

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

but the more i think abt it everything that happened w/grey was ur fault good sir

a gewd admin wudnt let it go on that long wudve put a stop 2 it much faster and wudve listened to the community complaints sooner

noone wud want the community 2 hurt this bad unless they really dont give a fuck abt ppl

u let it break the community apart

u broke the promise to mke it up 2 ppl who were hurt

u made a selfish regrets post that hurt these ppl more

they were still open 2 giving u a chance and u didnt care

u never do...

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Xhin is incompetent with everything, GTX0 was thriving once, he let it crumble because he seem to focus on a game from the looks of it, one which is as bad as everything else he does. Shovelware I think you would call it?

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

Actually I think Xhin and Riven are remarkably competent at most things they have turned their hand to.
I don’t agree with everything they’ve said, but I think their overall performance is markedly better than I would expect from many of our fellow users, including myself and many who have posted vocally on this thread.
On that matter, if few others, I agree more with Acca Larentia than with HallowHalo or Denida.

3 Weeks ago
chiarizio

I don’t agree with everything they’ve said, but I think their overall performance is markedly better than I would expect from many of our fellow users, including myself and many who have posted vocally on this thread.

if u saw how things were at old GT ud be amazed, chiarizio
imagine a forum of lyk 30 edgy, stupid teenagers and no flaming or cliques taking over by getting the mods ear and selling him on sob stories
the good sir here can barely keep 5 ppl in line
the good sir’s forums were also shit shows back in the day showing in complaints all the tiiiiiime
not much has changed

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3 Weeks ago
HallowHalo

Xhin is incompetent with everything, GTX0 was thriving once, he let it crumble

The only one who's letting their legacy crumble here is the guy who went from being notorious for enforcing rules strictly to someone who continuously levels personal attacks that get no traction whatsoever. It's really sad. I've talked to some people about it and I've defended you as maybe just being under the influence of the last year, you yourself feeling underappreciated and so not really in your right mind. If any of that is true we could maybe work through it, but otherwise I'm going to continue to "be childish and ignore users", as you put it.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

not much has changed

Wonder if that is why he didn't make a complaints forum?

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

@HallowHalo hi knuckles

3 Weeks ago
poptart!

I've talked to some people about it and I've defended you as maybe just being under the influence of the last year, you yourself feeling underappreciated and so not really in your right mind.

that get no traction whatsoever

HH and I have been agreeing, though?

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

personal attacks that get no traction whatsoever.

I agree with a lot of what Denida and HH are saying. You know that I do, having tried to talk to me privately about these things.

3 Weeks ago
CZM

I agree with a lot of what Denida and HH are saying. You know that I do, having tried to talk to me privately about these things.

I hope you manage to get through to him...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

I meant that his personal attacks aren't getting traction with me, not that his opinions aren't getting traction with other users. His opinions are shared with a lot of other people.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

I hope you manage to get through to him...

I no longer talk to Riven about GT privately.

3 Weeks ago
CZM

I no longer talk to Riven about GT privately.

You are one of his mods though, right? So might get him to listen to you...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

I no longer talk to Riven about GT privately.

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

You are one of his mods though, right? So might get him to listen to you...

I was superadmin for one year, until I stepped down due to personal dissatisfaction with site direction. I have not held any staff position for years.

Riven and I have fundamentally dysfunctional communication about GT.

Have really interesting conversations about pretty much everything else, though.

3 Weeks ago
CZM

I was superadmin for one year, until I stepped down due to personal dissatisfaction with site direction. I have not held any staff position for years.

I didn't know this.
I just know you two talk a lot.
Interesting you don't discuss site-related matters anymore. But that's probably healthy.

Riven and I have fundamentally dysfunctional communication about GT.

Fair point. I think this is true for a lot of people.

3 Weeks ago
Weird Occurance

I was superadmin for one year, until I stepped down due to personal dissatisfaction with site direction. I have not held any staff position for years.

I'm sorry to hear that.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

I'm sorry to hear that.

Thanks, but it was for the best.

3 Weeks ago
CZM

Thanks, but it was for the best.

I can understand you. I was once mod here too when it first started but it just didn't feel welcoming. so I left...

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

I was superadmin for one year, until I stepped down due to personal dissatisfaction with site direction.

Worth pointing out that I hired you for your personal dissatisfaction with site direction. Not really surprising the way it turned out. Something similar happened with Querymonger.

I do think you made a good administrator and I'm sorry I couldn't fully give you the reins (or even let you know that I'd be like that from the outset).

Interesting you don't discuss site-related matters anymore. But that's probably healthy.

It is.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

I was once mod here too when it first started but it just didn't feel welcoming. so I left...

What would you do to make the site feel more welcoming?

3 Weeks ago
Riven

What would you do to make the site feel more welcoming?

You were a moderator at origin GT. You should have known some very capable moderators that can inspire. As a site, you need to show that is welcoming, not that you can get banned for ANYTHING. (You admitted being a dictator.)
The apology would have shown you were there for people and sorry for when you screw up. The site is something that should for the users feel like it comes first and you welcome chats.
You need to delegate, let your mods watch over your userbase, and as a site leader NOT show you don't care at every turn.

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3 Weeks ago
Denida

you were there for people and sorry for when you screw up. The site is something that should for the users feel like it comes first and you welcome chats.

You need to delegate, let your mods watch over your userbase, and as a site leader NOT show you don't care at every turn.

See, this is actually constructive. Thank you.

3 Weeks ago
Riven

See, this is actually constructive. Thank you.

Denida tells you the same thing everyone else has for years.

"Wow, I never thought of it that way... What helpful advice friend." - Xhin

Lmao, literally laughing.

3 Weeks ago
Elite

Oh and in response to the replies aimed at me Riven. I've been at work but let me see.

Well, honestly to much scrolling through and I'll be brief.

I essentially don't care who you did or didn't apologize to. I do however know you hate the idea that people expect you to at all. I honestly I don't care. I was told to look at the thread so figured why not get you all riled up. I got a reply out of you and here you were 30 replies later. lmao

A lot of people have contributed to making this a cesspool, including you at different times (and the ex-pointless mod Denida currently). And yes, I have a role in that as well -- but it isn't nearly as big as imagined

But this deserves a response. The difference is I'm not blind to how toxic I can be. What I said above is proof of that. Believe me I'm no shining star. Ask Denida, WO even used me as a way to describe harsh. My point is you might think you had a small role because you wern't the one physically going out of their way to be a menace but you allowed, defended, and enabled people to do so. I've been up front that I don't blame you for everything but I'd still love to see you fully own up to that.

Then again maybe I'm being pretty unreasonable. I don't know. I honestly really want to see a public apology turn into a complete shit show which it would. It'd be to great a ending to the whole thing. That or I'd be siprised at how well it goes and get that glimmer of hope in the site. I kinda win either way.

3 Weeks ago
Elite

=See, this is actually constructive. Thank you.

Denida tells you the same thing everyone else has for years.

"Wow, I never thought of it that way... What helpful advice friend." - Xhin

Lmao, literally laughing.

This is just a mind game, manipulation to make someone feel important. It wasn't my word that mattered, as he said he resected YOU, not me. Disabled possibility of listening to me for real.

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2 Weeks ago
Denida

No, the point there was to make sure your comments are constructive, as that's how I value people to determine if I respect them or not.

2 Weeks ago
Riven

No, the point there was to make sure your comments are constructive, as that's how I value people to determine if I respect them or not.

Fair point, but Elite said everyone told you same, including Weird.

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2 Weeks ago
Denida

Literally the entire community. Some in a more constructive manner then you did Denida.

As for respecting me. Lmao, I'm the least constructive or helpful person here in regards to this.

2 Weeks ago
Elite

I've been thinking about this a lot, and have had similar thoughts since December or so. I think it's a balance between what I want and what the community wants, and has always been like that. It makes more sense to just set up the site to run like that than to do this thing where the community makes decisions and then I revert them. In addition to being annoying for everyone involved, it also means that individual users can get me to reverse major decisions made by the community.

With the new system though this can't happen -- individuals have to convince the community as a whole instead of just me, and my role is to make sure that community ideas don't clash with what I want. This is decided from the outset instead of way after the fact. I also get to determine what happens with close votes, which gives me some power over the process but not enough to challenge a strong community consensus.

Overall the whole process makes way more sense. It'll probably also seem really dumb 10 years from now.

2 Weeks ago
Riven

I've been thinking about this a lot, and have had similar thoughts since December or so. I think it's a balance between what I want and what the community wants, and has always been like that. It makes more sense to just set up the site to run like that than to do this thing where the community makes decisions and then I revert them. In addition to being annoying for everyone involved, it also means that individual users can get me to reverse major decisions made by the community.

Firstly, as moderators you can listen to the community, but letting them come up with every finite detail is not how leadership works anywhere. In some rare cases they can provide feedback and suggestions, but if they do it for everything, you are showing that you cannot lead yourself...

Secondly, this worked for Gametallk, but only worked cause we had clear rules. You saying you are a DICTATOR and can ban anything you do not like is not welcoming, it is making everyone feel that this is NOT a welcoming place.

Remember that as a leader, you're in service to the community, not the other way around. You serve them. They don't serve you.

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2 Weeks ago
Denida

Remember that as a leader, you're in service to the community, not the other way around. You serve them. They don't serve you.

Oh yeah, this explains a lot of your issues. So no, I've abdicated the "leadership" thing -- the community running itself instead makes the most sense. At the same time though I have a website and have certain expectations/ideas for it. So yeah it's a balance as it always has been -- it's just more open about my role and puts way more power into the hands of the community.

2 Weeks ago
Riven