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A call for improvement

Posted 2 Weeks ago by Wishful_Musings

It saddens me to see it, but I've been thinking about this for a while. This site is struggling with an existential crisis, an inability to define itself and keep its users happy. Below are some of my musings, but I encourage others to chime in, too.

A few months ago, we adopted a community-decision model, under which users are able to make choices about the direction of the site. Some of these decisions included;

  • 1) Should GTX0 have Mediators?

  • 2) Should GTX0 allow hate speech?

  • 3) What is hate speech?

  • 4) Should GTX0 be geared towards children or adults?

  • 4a) Should we rebrand GTX0 with a mascot/logo/banner?

    The most interesting result of the above was the fact that this community was split 50/50 between catering to teenagers vs. having an adult-only site, so the mascot argument was premature because this site didn't even know what it wants to be.

    But something even more curious happened amongst this whole debacle; Riven created the Sexuality forum at one user's public request (and everyone else not caring whether it existed or not). Despite Riven's insistence that he doesn't care what direction the site takes as long as the community decides on that direction, the creation of this forum was the second massive step towards an adult-oriented site, following the creation of an 18+ Politics and World forum. There is nothing on the site that is catered specifically towards a younger (teenage) demographic, which leads me to believe that Riven's already unilaterally decided the direction of this site (without needing the community input) and likely hasn't realized it yet for himself. And that's okay! This site needs direction.

    On a more problematic level, this community doesn't even have an ounce of friendly interaction amongst its users. As someone pointed out in JadedEye's thread, we've all grown up, so our ideals, wants, and needs are all different than when we were kids. We cannot escape adult issues that we're facing on a daily basis. Money, politics, and sex are more defining in our lives these days, so the simplicity of messing around on a site for fun seems unfamiliar, now.

    However, from what I've seen, this whole community is fundamentally broken and it's not because of any single, individual user. Sure, some users may be more polarizing than others and express unpopular ideas and opinions but, really no one's listening to anyone else. We don't need to play like children and ignore our adult issues, but there are times it doesn't even feel like we're trying to get along. The site is full of insults that push the boundaries of the rules, constantly nudging to see just how far we can push the envelope before getting a cool down ban.

    There have been good, successful threads, like the ones discussing (Un)Popular Opinions and video game related threads, but most of the time, the interactions on this site seem very cold and distant. Users jump to attack each other - or justify attacks on each other. When a thread was created recently to demonstrate the not-so-savory posting history of one user, the first few comments expressed that this was painting that user in a negative light and was defamatory (due to intent, not necessarily content). But the other comments were in support of a generally mean thread like that with little consideration for how that particular user felt with it directed towards them. Our empathy seems to be completely lacking, as we only think about ourselves and how we'd feel in a given situation, ignoring all sensitivities that other users feel. When that thread was eventually tagged, a former mod actually reposted it, which is a commentary on the leadership here that I don't think I want to make.

    I don't want to flame or say anything too specific, but there are numerous threads to prove that this site is largely full of arguments, disagreements, and general unkindness.... consider the following;

  • 1) Direct insults about a proposed logo for the site... conversation could've been more effective

  • 2) The Grey debacle still having a stronghold in everyone's mind. Every site discussion circles back to this.

    *3) The thread (and repost!) singling out one user's posting history on this site

  • 4) Anti-Woman threads and a history of White Supremacist ideas (yes, I understand this is gone, now, as of the recent rule-rewrite, but I need to make a point)... and granted, Riven does and has always argued with these threads, all of them, to express a lack of support for these ideas, but these sorts of threads create general incivility. Perhaps the rule regarding what constitutes as appropriate content on this site should be rethought; do these perspectives really have a place in a friendly, civil community?

  • 5) JadedEye's recent thread and other community decisions turning into deflection, arguing, and users generally not feeling heard or respected

    *6) A thread was even made in the last four months TO TEACH USERS HOW TO APOLOGIZE TO EACH OTHER. Not only did this thread prove that the community is toxic (heck, even some of the comments were about blatant refusals to ever apologize to anyone), but allowing it to stay up is the same as admitting that this is a problem this community has, which, to be fair, is the case.

    Truly, we are better than this. We have the ability to be better than this, but we are not even trying to be our best selves. We are blaming each other, holding grudges, and looking at mistakes of the past to justify our anger, now.

    The whole choice to make the community user-driven is a clear sign of exhaustion. I do not believe Riven would've made this decision without feeling like his hand was forced by ongoing, perpetual blame for actions and mishandling of the site he committed in the past. Granted, the choice to go community-driven is a poor choice for a leader to make, as it gives into mob-rule and devalues the power of moderators, but exhaustion and blame are real. I'm not necessarily advocating for the removal of Riven as an admin, but am encouraging him and his moderation team to come up with a more concrete method of leading this site that will not end in burn-out. And the moderators and Riven should be able to make judgment calls on rule-breaking behavior without users needing to call it out in order to get a thread locked or tagged. Confidence is key. Believing in the rules you make goes a long way. If you are in a position of leadership, you should be making this a site you are proud of and are happy to support.

    As indicated before, a large part of moving forward with this site would be having leadership decide on the site's target audience (again, looks like it is largely adult-oriented), as well as creating rules and branding that naturally follow from this defined direction. These rules should be policies our moderation team is comfortable and capable of enforcing without users calling out the rule-violating behavior for them. The enforcement of these rules is critical; spam and toxicity should not stay up on the site for hours or days at a time. The site should not experience two days of downtime. I'm not calling for a perfect system, as issues will always slip through the cracks, but we can at least do better than we are, now.

    As for the rest of the community, it's so easy to be a keyboard warrior, to sit back and make mean, disparaging posts and threads. It has become even easier given the isolation we've all felt from COVID in 2020, and I believe a part of this behavior is fallout from the negativity we're feeling, but I also believe there are deeper problems that have been lingering here for a long time (maybe even since GTX0's launch). And we can all do better. We can all try to listen and respect each other. We shouldn't rely on several users with a positive, friendly outlook to hold the community together. We need to show each other more respect, be willing to talk about things we may disagree with at a glance, and encourage positive interactions amongst ourselves. We are a community, but we are fractured now, and it will take all of our efforts to rebuild this place into the GTX0 we always wanted it to be.

  • There are 27 Replies


    Long post, I'll be jumping around to respond.

    Despite Riven's insistence that he doesn't care what direction the site takes as long as the community decides on that direction, the creation of this forum was the second massive step towards an adult-oriented site, following the creation of an 18+ Politics and World forum. There is nothing on the site that is catered specifically towards a younger (teenage) demographic, which leads me to believe that Riven's already unilaterally decided the direction of this site (without needing the community input) and likely hasn't realized it yet for himself. And that's okay!


    This is a good point I hadn't previously considered. I don't care what direction this place goes, but agree with you that it does need direction.

    It has become even easier given the isolation we've all felt from COVID in 2020, and I believe a part of this behavior is fallout from the negativity we're feeling, but I also believe there are deeper problems that have been lingering here for a long time (maybe even since GTX0's launch)


    I'm getting tired of seeing 2020 used as an excuse for all modes of bad behavior.
    I think you're completely right that these issues have been longer standing than COVID, but were exacerbated by the isolation.

    Truly, we are better than this. We have the ability to be better than this, but we are not even trying to be our best selves. We are blaming each other, holding grudges, and looking at mistakes of the past to justify our anger, now.


    You can't minimize the gravity of some of these issues. It makes sense there's lasting hurt from them, but I also think there's a lot of this going on. I think Xhin's hurting and I think the community's hurting.

    which is a commentary on the leadership here that I don't think I want to make.


    Ouch.

    2 Weeks ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    So another post Xhin will just tag or argue in...

    This is a good point I hadn't previously considered. I don't care what direction this place goes, but agree with you that it does need direction.



    I disagree with Wishful here, Community-oriented has shown again and again that it doesn't work! He had this imitation of the original GT for twelve years. If Xhin has not found any working solutions for the site, yet, he never will.


    I'm getting tired of seeing 2020 used as an excuse for all modes of bad behavior.



    Agree with you there. Besides, there were problems here before then, too, which Wishful and you acknowledge.


    You can't minimize the gravity of some of these issues. It makes sense there's lasting hurt from them, but I also think there's a lot of this going on. I think Xhin's hurting and I think the community's hurting.



    The problem with this is, a leader makes you want to improve. This place does NOT have such a person to inspire the community to better itself. Reminds me of this global mod that was probably before most users' time at original GT; Val, who was very good at this. Liane was also a very talented mod that brought her community together.

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    2 Weeks ago
    Denida
     

    The problem with this is, a leader makes you want to improve.

    This this this this this this this <3

    2 Weeks ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    On a more problematic level, this community doesn't even have an ounce of friendly interaction amongst its users


    Untrue, as I continue to uphold my promise of perfect civility in the Sexuality forum that you just finished writing a paragraph about. The Sexuality forum has seen a relatively minuscule amount of drama, considering how sensitive the subject can be.

    2 Weeks ago
    Nulllll
     

    Untrue, as I continue to uphold my promise of perfect civility in the Sexuality forum that you just finished writing a paragraph about.


    And your conduct everywhere else?

    2 Weeks ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    Untrue, as I continue to uphold my promise of perfect civility in the Sexuality forum that you just finished writing a paragraph about. The Sexuality forum has seen a relatively minuscule amount of drama, considering how sensitive the subject can be.


    Your view doesn't nullify another person's view! And someone here is saying they don't feel this site is civil.

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    2 Weeks ago
    Denida
     

    Your view doesn't nullify another person's view!


    It's not my view that's nullifying it, it's reality that's providing context for it.

    This kind of "uuuuhhh EVERYONE HAS A VIEWPOINT THO" response is pure fucking slime and I would be ashamed to entertain it, personally. It reacts instead of responds, it does more to nullify view points than the recognition of reality does, and it sets the stage for damage control and pseudo-intellectual obsequiousness.

    Besides which, I don't particularly disagree with the OP in general. I was responding to one statement that lacked rigor out of dozens of more relevant ones that were accurate. If you wanted to be defensive of multiple viewpoints while not looking like a fucking slimeball and creating tension, you could simply say "OK, but do you have a significant problem with the OP overall", to which I would respond "no".

    This is how you might actually defuse a situation. But that might require a little more application than could reasonably be expected from a janitor from the glory days of a backwater gaming forum.

    2 Weeks ago
    Nulllll
     

    It's not my view that's nullifying it, it's reality that's providing context for it.




    This kind of "uuuuhhh EVERYONE HAS A VIEWPOINT THO" response is pure fucking slime and I would be ashamed to entertain it, personally. It reacts instead of responds, it does more to nullify view points than the recognition of reality does, and it sets the stage for damage control and pseudo-intellectual obsequiousness.




    Besides which, I don't particularly disagree with the OP in general. I was responding to one statement that lacked rigor out of dozens of more relevant ones that were accurate. If you wanted to be defensive of multiple viewpoints while not looking like a fucking slimeball and creating tension, you could simply say "OK, but do you have a significant problem with the OP overall", to which I would respond "no".




    This is how you might actually defuse a situation. But that might require a little more application than could reasonably be expected from a janitor from the glory days of a backwater gaming forum.


    I see, no need for name calling and I thought you said you were a good poster and not causing ill will? Or is there a reason you're only civil on the Sexuality forum?

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    2 Weeks ago
    Denida
     

    I thought you said you were a good poster


    I don't recall being blatantly reductive and divisive in that manner. Is there a particular incident that you're referring to, or are you content to just put such irrelevant and damning words in my mouth, as if you can invent hypocrisy out of thin air?

    You are not nearly as good at this as you think you are.

    2 Weeks ago
    Nulllll
     

    Good at what? Replying? I never said I was, maybe you want to look at what I actually said yourself.

    It was related to my question; 'Or is there a reason you're only civil on the Sexuality forum?' to which, I'm now also going to ask 'Why?' -- What do you get out of trolling this site endlessly?

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    2 Weeks ago
    Denida
     

    It was related to my question


    Of course it was; your brow-beating being thinly veiled behind a question just as reductive and divisive as the proposed idea of what I supposedly said does not reflect the reality of the situation, nor does it constitute a particularly decent and disarming course of dialogue so much as it does a method of dismissal - which you openly double-down on by dismissing my interactions as "endless trolling".

    You're fucking bad, dude.



    2 Weeks ago
    Nulllll
     

    “Everybody has a viewpoint; but mine is valid.”

    2 Weeks ago
    chiarizio
     

    OP: This community doesn't even have an ounce of friendly interaction amongst its users

    Null: Untrue

    Also Null: you're a fucking slimeball

    2 Weeks ago
    The Bandit
     

    Bandit, can you be my new best friend?

    2 Weeks ago
    Weird Occurance
     

    Of course it was; your brow-beating being thinly veiled behind a question just as reductive and divisive as the proposed idea of what I supposedly said does not reflect the reality of the situation, nor does it constitute a particularly decent and disarming course of dialogue so much as it does a method of dismissal - which you openly double-down on by dismissing my interactions as "endless trolling".




    You're fucking bad, dude.


    Thanks for the compliment.

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    2 Weeks ago
    Denida
     

    Riven hides behind the skirts of this idea of a 'community driven model', when it is demonstrably not so. There is only community leadership when it is convenient for him. Every single issue referenced in this thread leads back to his bad decisions. If the site is to survive, it can't be under his control.

    2 Weeks ago
    Anyone With Eyes
     

    I think we could all do better. We might not want to though - adulthood is this constant struggle of being strong within yourself vs allowing other people to help you.

    4) Anti-Woman threads and a history of White Supremacist ideas


    It's still my personal belief that the incivility in these threads comes from the users who feel the need to speak out against the OP, to tell them that their opinions are toxic. That said, there's probably nothing constructive that would ever come from such threads - the ones that don't devolve into petty insults either demonstrate the OP's unwillingness to explore alternate viewpoints or just stay at 0 replies forever.

    The whole choice to make the community user-driven is a clear sign of exhaustion. I do not believe Riven would've made this decision without feeling like his hand was forced by ongoing, perpetual blame for actions and mishandling of the site he committed in the past.


    GTX0 has always been largely user-driven. There have always been consensus-based systems happening behind the scenes. This was a chance to involve the entire community in the direction of the site.

    There are definitely parts of this system that were driven by exhaustion though. If you weren't around during the 10-post world forum dispute a couple years ago, it was pretty bad. The hardest part about resolving it was finding some compromise or change in leadership or rules that didn't piss off half the community.

    The Grey debacle


    Grey played a role in it, but so did I, and so did people who are unwilling to see their part.

    The problem with this is, a leader makes you want to improve.


    Well I've definitely been lacking there. It's basically impossible to do this though unless your life follows some kind of coherent narrative, which has been lacking now for a few years. To be a capable leader you must first be capable in your own life.

    I miss Liane a lot too.

    This kind of "uuuuhhh EVERYONE HAS A VIEWPOINT THO" response is pure fucking slime


    Calling people's opinions slime is itself slime. Whether they're misinformed or just being arrogant pricks, projecting your own slime onto them isn't going to do anything but make you feel like you've marginally corrected some past hurt. All the while creating an environment where other people's past hurts come out to play.

    Focusing on hurt doesn't do anything but make you hurt more. And it also hurts the people around you and *especially* the people close to you. It's a self-perpetuating cycle that never heals, only makes you more bitter and increasingly erratic.

    2 Weeks ago
    Riven
     

    MGuy is constantly saying how he's not in the wrong and it's other people and he'll go back and search the depths for proof that he has been mistreated. To imply that a catalogue of his posts is in any way defamatory given the context of what he said is laughable. They were just doing his work for him and people could be left to decide for themselves.

    2 Weeks ago
    Ratatoskr
     

    I think we could all do better. We might not want to though


    The most ironic thing you've ever said.

    Calling people's opinions slime is itself slime


    Not surprising that you still haven't worked past basic tolerance paradox.

    2 Weeks ago
    Nulllll
     

    MGuy is constantly saying how he's not in the wrong and it's other people and he'll go back and search the depths for proof that he has been mistreated.


    He'll go back and search for proof when he feels like it. For the most part, it suits him perfectly fine to just say that something happened - while the archives don't show that, or show something very different.

    As for the logic that it might hurt mguy's feelings to see those threads again: he doesn't have to look at them. Also, he's not even really here anymore? I saw him post like once or twice in the last two months. It looks like he hardcore ragequit after I didn't immediately give him a groveling apology and promise to be his friend (enabler) after the butthole incident.

    2 Weeks ago
    Nulllll
     

    after the butthole incident.

    imagine popping in and reading this out of context lmao.

    2 Weeks ago
    S.O.H.
     

    I am banned but I still lurk on my data once in a while. I think that the site should just be modernized. But if it's going to stay the way it is I think there should be total of three sub boards. Video Games, General, and World. World would basically be World religion and other similar stuff. General would condense the pointless forum stuff with stuff like Jet's movie forum, and Video Games would be Boxcube. The rest of the sub boards are a waste of time and divide everything up in an annoying way.

    2 Weeks ago
    I definitely didn't kill Mufasa <.<
     

    Honestly this site could just be a subreddit at this point. It behaves like a micro reddit. I really don't even know what the point of this site is now other than us clinging on to memories from 2008. Like video games news here is regurgitated from much faster sources and World forum is full of misogyny all the time. This site is like a TV series that is 5 seasons too long already.

    2 Weeks ago
    I definitely didn't kill Mufasa <.<
     

    But if it's going to stay the way it is I think there should be total of three sub boards. Video Games, General, and World. World would basically be World religion and other similar stuff.

    Religion and World politics should remain separate though I acknowledge religion is politics while being culturally different.
    For example I found it unfair that GC/MS was banned in World for arguing in a common fallacious religious manor as the religion forum was no longer available to him.

    2 Weeks ago
    Psygnosis
     

    Honestly this site could just be a subreddit at this point. It behaves like a micro reddit. I really don't even know what the point of this site is now other than us clinging on to memories.


    @Riven:
    Please don’t pay any attention to that remark from IDDKM.

    2 Weeks ago
    chiarizio
     

    Honestly this site could just be a subreddit at this point. It behaves like a micro reddit. I really don't even know what the point of this site is now other than us clinging on to memories.



    I had this thought too, I even told Weird about it a month ago.

    @Riven:

    Please don’t pay any attention to that remark from IDDKM.



    Wow, I am convinced you know Riven personally now, seeing as you want to protect him like a father with a kid in kindergarten.

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    2 Weeks ago
    Denida
     

    I’m responding with a modified name since I forgot my password.


    I'm getting tired of seeing 2020 used as an excuse for all modes of bad behavior.


    Yes, well, it’s not ideal to fall back on using 2020 as an excuse, but there’s still a point to be made. A cultural shift like this has created feelings of isolation and frustration, but I did mention the deeper issues here, too.

    You can't minimize the gravity of some of these issues. It makes sense there's lasting hurt from them, but I also think there's a lot of this going on. I think Xhin's hurting and I think the community's hurting.


    Not my intention. These situations did cause a lot of hurt and they were destructive to Riven and the community, of course… but we cling to them like lifelines. They are an underlying, lasting form of pain that we allow to hurt us over and over. It’s not easy to let go of things that are still actively hurting us, but I don’t think we’ve been capable of having the sort of constructive conversation about our pain that we all need to have to start getting over the worst of it. Naturally, it’s easier to hold grudges and frustration close and push the people who hurt us away, but this doesn’t seem like much of a solution, in my opinion.

    I disagree with Wishful here, Community-oriented has shown again and again that it doesn't work! He had this imitation of the original GT for twelve years. If Xhin has not found any working solutions for the site, yet, he never will.


    To clarify, I don’t necessarily think community-oriented was the right move. I do think it was a partial act of desperation to find some sanity.

    a leader makes you want to improve.


    A good quote to live by.
    This place does NOT have such a person to inspire the community to better itself.


    I think it could. It has potential, which just hasn’t been realized.

    Sexuality forum that you just finished writing a paragraph about


    Snarky. To clarify, I have no intention of pushing for the removal of this forum or anything. I just wanted to call attention to the fact that it was the second shift towards an adult-only site.
    I don’t remember your viewpoint on that particular debate (adult-vs-teen oriented), but like I said, it’s okay that we have adult-forums if that’s the direction this site is to take.

    The Sexuality forum has seen a relatively minuscule amount of drama, considering how sensitive the subject can be.


    True. I hadn’t considered this in particular.
    But one forum doesn’t define this site.

    I don't particularly disagree with the OP in general. I was responding to one statement that lacked rigor out of dozens of more relevant ones that were accurate.

    you could simply say "OK, but do you have a significant problem with the OP overall", to which I would respond "no".


    Thank you.
    But can you please be a little kinder in this thread?
    I called out what’s relevant to me, but it would mean a lot to me if we could keep a civil tone here, too.

    “Everybody has a viewpoint; but mine is valid.”

    Lol!

    Riven hides behind the skirts of this idea of a 'community driven model', when it is demonstrably not so. There is only community leadership when it is convenient for him.

    I neither agree nor disagree.
    I’ve seen evidence that he is clinging to a community driven model, but also evidence that he makes an arbitrary decision when the vote is very close.
    And the addition of some 18+ forums without mentioning the broader impact this would have on the site’s target audience in threads pertaining to them (for the crowd who supports teen-oriented branding) to think more broadly about the issue seemed a little deceptive, but also like an oversight. Like I said, I don’t know if Riven was fully aware of the implications of these additions when he first made them, and what effect they’d have on site branding.
    Their effect on branding is, like I said before, entirely okay! We need direction here.

    Every single issue referenced in this thread leads back to his bad decisions.


    Again, I think it’s a little more complicated than this. I’m not trying to speak in blind support for Riven because I’ll acknowledge (fully) that he’s made mistakes, including some big ones. I also believe any leader would make mistakes, even big ones. While MOST of the ‘decisions’ I referenced were definitely bandages for larger issues that were fallout from some impulsive or bad decisions on Riven’s part, others were inspired by deep community fractures at the hands of community decisions and catalysts.

    I can’t blame Riven for TRYING to fix things, even if some of the ways he goes about it are questionable at best. I at least appreciate the effort he puts in.

    If the site is to survive, it can't be under his control.


    I think it can if he steps back enough to let it thrive. But that’s a big ‘if’.

    I think we could all do better. We might not want to though - adulthood is this constant struggle of being strong within yourself vs allowing other people to help you.


    Too true.

    It's still my personal belief that the incivility in these threads comes from the users who feel the need to speak out against the OP, to tell them that their opinions are toxic.


    I’ve observed this, too…

    That said, there's probably nothing constructive that would ever come from such threads - the ones that don't devolve into petty insults either demonstrate the OP's unwillingness to explore alternate viewpoints or just stay at 0 replies forever.


    -but this is hitting the nail on the head. If nothing civil comes of them, why bother tolerating them, here?
    The general knee-jerk reaction of this community is to frown upon these sorts of threads, whether that comes in the form of being rude to the OP or ignoring the OP.

    To be fair, that particular OP also recently derailed JadedEye’s thread with this sort of unprompted content, too… just felt I should mention it.

    And I have no particular problem with that OP or their posts, but am just wondering what the content actually contributes to this site.

    The hardest part about resolving it was finding some compromise or change in leadership or rules that didn't piss off half the community.


    Understood, but sometimes this is a calculated risk.
    Not every situation is going to have a clean-cut negotiation that you can all peacefully reach within the rules and guidelines of this site. Reality is more complicated than theory.

    Grey played a role in it, but so did I, and so did people who are unwilling to see their part.


    Agree on all accounts.

    To be a capable leader you must first be capable in your own life.


    Another good quote to live by.

    MGuy is constantly saying how he's not in the wrong and it's other people and he'll go back and search the depths for proof that he has been mistreated.


    I didn’t know that this is something he does.

    To imply that a catalogue of his posts is in any way defamatory given the context of what he said is laughable. They were just doing his work for him and people could be left to decide for themselves.


    I get it; it’s like an eye-for-an-eye in some ways.

    And while I’m coming around to seeing your perspectives on this more clearly, it still rubs me the wrong way. Blah blah blah… stooping to someone’s level, context matters and so on and so forth I don’t know.

    I think it would’ve been safer to post or more acceptable if it didn’t come on the heels of several other posts about that user in the last few days leading up to it. I think that was my only qualm with it, that it felt like a premeditated nail in the coffin after some other focused words against that user.

    Granted, I’ll give you that Mguy can really push people’s buttons and really harp on an issue, which is exactly what I’m advocating against here (lol) but I just don’t think it’s right to meet fire with fire in these cases.

    … Alas, I promise I’m not here to tell you all how to behave. Just giving my two cents. Nothing against you, Rat, you’re cool.

    He'll go back and search for proof when he feels like it. For the most part, it suits him perfectly fine to just say that something happened - while the archives don't show that, or show something very different.


    Like I admitted to Rat, I didn’t know this, thank you for the context here.

    As for the logic that it might hurt mguy's feelings to see those threads again: he doesn't have to look at them.


    I don’t think this is completely sound. I don’t think it was a nice thing to do. It’s like a bully when we were all kids. “Oh you don’t like it, just ignore it! I’m calling you a piece of garbage, why aren’t you ignoring me?”

    Like I said, I’m fairly certain the Mguy saga thread you made came on the heels of other targeted offenses against that user over the last day or two leading up to your thread. If it hadn’t, I don’t think it would’ve been in as bad taste.

    Still, seeing as you and Rat claim he checks the archives for much the same reason, I can see a little more clearly why the thread was made. I just think I disagree with it on some fundamental level is all, mostly due to timing.

    And I THINK it bordered on violating a civility clause in the rules. Like I said, pushing the envelope is a thing we all love to do around here. Not just you, but all of us.

    Also, he's not even really here anymore?


    He was around when you made the Mguy saga thread.
    He was in JadedEye’s thread that day or the day before. And so were you.
    Again, I promise I’m not trying to blame or accuse. I just really find context to be important.

    t looks like he hardcore ragequit after I didn't immediately give him a groveling apology and promise to be his friend (enabler) after the butthole incident.


    That whole mascot thing was mishandled from the start. F to pay respects.

    imagine popping in and reading this out of context lmao.


    I both hate you and appreciate you very much for this reply lol

    But if it's going to stay the way it is I think there should be total of three sub boards. Video Games, General, and World. World would basically be World religion and other similar stuff. General would condense the pointless forum stuff with stuff like Jet's movie forum, and Video Games would be Boxcube. The rest of the sub boards are a waste of time and divide everything up in an annoying way.


    I somewhat agree, but not necessarily on specifics. Not everything’s active. I think Riven/the community should consider what’s active and worth keeping vs. what can be condensed.

    I really don't even know what the point of this site is now other than us clinging on to memories from 2008.


    But you can’t devalue this nostalgia-effect. It keeps some of us here and trying to interact in meaningful ways.

    Ld from much faster sources and World forum is full of misogyny all the time.


    I think these can be addressed.
    Maybe we don’t want to be a gaming site/maybe Riven doesn’t want it to be a gaming site.

    I do agree the misogyny should be addressed. It doesn’t lead to any constructive anything.

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