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Split Thread: Problems with GTX0's understanding of acceptable content
Posted: Posted March 19th
Edited March 19th by Cetasaurus
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Hey Knuckles. No one has posted in the mod forum for a long time. We want you here. I certainly want you here.

I happen to agree with you about the type of content this site tolerates. I was hoping to change some rules awhile back. I felt like nullfather and I were about to have a good discussion about it. Then a lot of weird shit happened with the... Petition Team, was it? I sat back like, “Cool, maybe this will work?” Honestly no idea what happened after that. nullfather quit or something and you, the other Petition Team leader, left or something? I honestly don’t remember. Frankly I have more important things to deal with than GTX0 most the time, these days. I mean, no offense to GTX0. That’s just how life goes. But if you want to draft some solutions, which I’m sure you have already somewhere on here, but I have lost them, I’d be excited to try to see if they can be feasibly implemented, and excited to work with you through any drafting/re-drafting process if my time/energy allows as well. I don’t know why, exactly, it suddenly seems like this is falling to you. I guess it’s not, really; only so far as you want it to. I just don’t want you to feel voiceless or powerless around here. You’ve been a central member for a long time. And you have my support on this issue.

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Well it's good to know that at least but.

I sat back like, “Cool, maybe this will work?” Honestly no idea what happened after that. nullfather quit or something and you, the other Petition Team leader, left or something?


If petitions actually meant much I wouldn't have left because I'd feel like I still have a duty worth a shit. the rules we have now often suffice, but are not properly enforced because for some reason posts that violate the rules are not interpreted as violating them. That is why the last petition I set up (which is no longer an acceptable form of petition and seemed to get me banned as well iirc) was simply to have someone being problematic banned. The problem is someone with power needs to be constantly here and willing to do something about it. And I definitely understand how busy you are, but someone needs to be in that role and it probably needs to be someone new since you're so busy. I don't have the power to moderate and maybe I shouldn't. But petitions aren't going to solve anything especially now when by the looks of the userbase in this subforum I doubt they will even have a chance of passing.

Petitions are meant to reform the rules for... this subforum iirc. But that doesn't matter if the rules clearly aren't going to be enforced anyway. Really with the first petition it was enough if there was actually a mod willing to enforce them and actually interpret the rules correctly. And really that just makes it all the more frustrating. It feels like it's the illusion that I have any power to change anything for the better.

If you want change, I'd use your time to push for someone being staff here that will actually do something about this stuff. Or maybe even get Xhin to do another election to have a 3rd moderator for this subforum since it's where most of the problems come from.

Or Xhin if you're reading maybe you can just do that. But please as aggressive I may sound, don't just delete this. Move this post and Ceta's to feedback if need be but don't get rid of the conversation. It needs to be said.

Edited March 19th by Knucklesthe2000th
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Thanks for the response. I’ll split the post later today (good idea) and try to reply. :)

Posted March 19th by Cetasaurus
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Hey Xhin where is the Feedback forum?
I was also looking for the site formatting guide the other day, which I think is in the Help forum, which I also couldn't find. :(

Posted March 19th by Cetasaurus
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Posted March 19th by Xhin
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Thank you. :) Sorry.

Posted March 19th by Cetasaurus
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Tried to move this to Feedback and it went here. Sorry, trying to fix it.

Posted March 21st by Cetasaurus
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Honestly no idea what happened after that. nullfather quit or something


Due to multiple reasons, mainly the feeling that I was on the verge of Dirty Harry-ing some of the posters, I decided to step down from my position permanently and take a break from the site. I wrote a post about it, which Xhin graciously tagged for his own reasons.

Posted March 21st by nullfather
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Thanks. :) I could remember your resignation and absence, just not quite where it fit in with Petition Thing timeline, lol.

Posted March 21st by Cetasaurus
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I would also like point out that I just kind of returned and I saw some things weren't being tagged that seemed to me like they really should be despite hearing that other stuff of a similar nature has been tagged. It still seems to be a problem though because last I checked at least 2 such posts were still up and I still suggest a new mod one way or another. Doesn't have to be a replacement but it would no doubt help get rid of unsavory posts.

Due to multiple reasons, mainly the feeling that I was on the verge of Dirty Harry-ing some of the posters, I decided to step down from my position permanently and take a break from the site.


As much as I kind of figured it would come to that, I still kind of wish you were still around because while I disagreed with some things and some of your reasoning or whatever at times on some things, you were one of the most reliable staff for getting rid of the kind of problematic content I've been talking about.

Posted March 21st by Knucklesthe2000th
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Hey Xhin where is the Feedback forum?


It's under the site footer now, yeah. CTRL + F -> Give Feedback


If you see posts you think should be tagged or locked, it would be a great help to just hit that report button on the post. Can't guarantee it'll get tagged since it generally was a thing to let the local forum moderator handle it, especially pertaining to the World forum, but we can try! Some people can be a bit offensive with some post content. It isn't the first time they've been banned and apparently haven't learned that it isn't acceptable if that is the case.

Posted March 21st by LLight
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I might request a staff position again at some point in the future. But having the position forced on me and then having to deal with all the shit that was going on for a year finally wore thin for me. I am not going to touch moderation issues again for a while, mainly because I got tired of constantly trying to drag this beaurocratic nightmare upwards.

Posted March 21st by Cruinn-Annuin
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If you see posts you think should be tagged or locked, it would be a great help to just hit that report button on the post.


Did but when reporting does nothing and it gets cleared it kind of discourages me. I do think a new mod or some sort of change with how mods can or should intervene there or something.

I am not going to touch moderation issues again for a while, mainly because I got tired of constantly trying to drag this beaurocratic nightmare upwards.


Understandable.


Edited March 21st by Knucklesthe2000th
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One issue which Count Dooku pointed out a while back is that the report button needs to have a way to input a reason. This is one of the tasks on my site checklist (I think it's part of the next item actually).

Posted March 21st by Xhin
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I mean I have given reasons in posts before but that might help some. Just not generally I imagine.

Posted March 21st by Knucklesthe2000th
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I mean I have given reasons in posts before but that might help some. Just not generally I imagine.

Part of the issue is that we aren't told who reported a post, which I generally agree with. But when you couple it with the lack of a reason, we basically come into a thread we may not have been following and have to try to figure out what the issue is. Even if you leave a reason in the post, there's no guarantee we're going to see it.

Having a reason attached to reports would definitely help with those situations where we have no idea why a particular post has been reported in the first place.

Posted March 21st by Count Dooku
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Agree with Dooku 100% on this ^^

Posted March 21st by chiefsonny
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Until the reason field is implemented, just leave a self-tagged post under it for context. There's a lot to be desired for this feature. I'd like to see (from a moderator perspective) who reported and who unreported. It also needs a way to prevent abuse of it, like banning the registered account from using the reporting button because I can see someone writing something to mass report every post ever, and also the reverse for unreporting all is just as easy if you have the skills.

Posted March 21st by LLight
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I'd like to see (from a moderator perspective) who reported and who unreported.

A more permanent log of reported posts/replies with useful information (how many users reported it/who unreported it/who took action on it/what the action was) would be ideal. The way the current reports just vanish into the ether (AFAIK) leaves a lot to be desired.

Posted March 21st by Count Dooku
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This could help so I guess I can see how it goes, but if I do notice it isn't fixing the problem I may have more to say. But ya the report system should probably be improved in these ways.

Posted March 22nd by Knucklesthe2000th
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The way the current reports just vanish into the ether (AFAIK) leaves a lot to be desired.


Reports that have been unreported have been tracked since the feature's inception, that information just isn't available to anyone but me at the moment.




Posted March 22nd by Xhin
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This site still has mods? I mean this in no sarcastic way. I honestly thought it was down to a dozen or so admins handling things backstage.

Posted March 22nd by Aurelian
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Yeah I feel like a peasant for not having staff powers. :P

Posted March 22nd by I killed Mufasa
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My moderation status is such a secret that not even Xhin knows it!



Posted March 22nd by Fox Forever
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There's a handful of people still doing mod stuff on a global basis. Also Famov/Arch are pretty diligent in World. I've also been doing a lot of tagging recently.

Posted March 22nd by Xhin
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