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Family-like relationships among kaibyou
Posted: Posted November 27th, 2018 by bloodb4roses

I'm calling these family-like relationships, since most kaibyou derive from house cats instead of reproducing directly. While they do have a concept of family, it is not biologically based with the exception of rare incidences like two blood related cats becoming kaibyou at that same time.

When a new clan is formed, it is usually from among some younger members of an established clan as the primary members, sometimes with former strays or cats from other clans than the core group's previous clan.

The core members are considered siblings, and while actual age does factor in, the leader is considered the oldest sibling of this group and parent to the clan as a whole, along with their mate if they have one.

Cats that come in later or just aren't part of the main group are taken under the wing by one of the main siblings, as younger siblings, and then take on younger siblings of their own as the clan recruits more new cats.

To these younger/lower ranking cats, the clan leader (and their mate) are referred to by a cognate for mother or father (or in rare cases, parent), and the cats in the main group who are the leaders' younger siblings are either the younger cat's older siblings if they they are or have been trained by that cat, or aunt/uncle in all other cases.

Cats who were trained by the same cat might also be seen as "siblings" by each other, but the words are slightly different. Most cats would use the term that is cognate to the Japanese word for cousin for most cats in their clan, and a similar word for cats in sister clans.

If the clan leader dies, the leadership is often turned over to their next oldest sibling, or their mate if said mate was well-liked and loyal. Less often, the clan leader might pick a cat to inherit leadership, and they are either trained directly by the leader or by a trusted younger sibling.

Example: Takumi is in the Himata clan, which is one of the newer ones. His "father" is Matasuke, and Takumi has favor with both Matasuke and his wife. Matasuke's wife Makoto was from the Sagano clan. For political reasons, Makoto keeps her family name; Her older sister is the clan leader of the Sagano. Makoto is Takumi's "mother" and the Sagano clan leader is his "aunt".

Goro is also in the Himata clan; he is not favored by Matasuke or Makoto, and since he wasn't raised by the same older sibling, he cannot call Takumi his brother. At best, he can call Takumi a near cousin. And while he can also claim the Sagano clan leader as his aunt, she wouldn't know who he was by name or face. (But possibly by markings or scent, since those would be shared aspects among the Himata that she would recognize.)

Both Goro and Takumi are Matasuke and Makoto's "sons", but one is far closer to them for various reasons.

Does this explanation make sense. Should I draw up an example "family tree"?

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1. It all seems good so far!

2. You may not need to do it; but if you can post a representative “family” tree, I for one would love to see it!

3. Do the kaibyou, or some of them, ever have anything to do with nursing patients? https://jlearn.net/Dictionary/Browse/1198120-kaibyou-かいびょう-介病
4a. Are they sort of energy-vampires?
4b. Can they ever shapeshift into their victims’ shapes? http://vampmyth.com/122/75/990735.html
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You actually were considering the meanings “monster cat” or “cat with magical powers”. Right?

Posted November 27th, 2018 by chiarizio

1. It all seems good so far!

2. You may not need to do it; but if you can post a representative “family” tree, I for one would love to see it!

3. Do the kaibyou, or some of them, ever have anything to do with nursing patients? https://jlearn.net/Dictionary/Browse/1198120-kaibyou-かいびょう-介病
4a. Are they sort of energy-vampires?
4b. Can they ever shapeshift into there victims’ shapes? http://vampmyth.com/122/75/990735.html
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You actually were considering the meanings “monster cat” or “cat with magical powers”. Right?


I was called into work for today to cover for my coworker, but I will make a family tree when I'm able.

Yes Kaibyou are cat youkai, and it is the neutral term for them collectively. The three most common subtypes being the bakeneko, nekomata and manekineko. They are connected somewhat to diseases, but most of them don't go into nursing. They can shapeshift, and nekomata are the ones probably closest to a "vampire" of any sort, needing to drink certain humans' blood from time to time to remain in the human realm.

Bakeneko who were fond of their owners might take on the shape of one, especially one that died recently. Manekineko and nekomata both create a human form more or less from whole cloth, though they can learn to transform into others as they mature.

Posted November 28th, 2018 by bloodb4roses

Hmm 🤔! Interesting!

I look 👀 forward to your next post!

Posted November 28th, 2018 by chiarizio



No specific reasons for those colors.

-red is the clan leader
-purple is their mate/spouse
-green are the cats directly "siblings" of the leader
-blue are the direct "younger siblings" of those cats
-yellow are the "younger siblings" of the blue cats
-the leader and their mate would be called "father/mother" except by the green cats, who would refer to them as "older brother/sister"
-likewise the green cats are called "uncle/aunt" unless they are the direct older sibling of the other cat.
-blue and yellow cats (or their younger siblings, etc) that are not "siblings" or share an older sibling would call each other "near cousins" or just "cousins"
-an exception might be made for one's "older sibling's older sibling" or "younger sibling's younger sibling" but those won't have official terms and would be up to the cats involved
-grey lines show "sibling" bonds, while the black line is a marriage bond

Of course this would be a young clan, and on top of that, any cats can take mates including "cousin marriages" between cats in the same clan. These marriages are mostly for political reasons or companionship, or both, since kaibyou reproduction is dependent on cats existing in certain circumstances.

Posted November 30th, 2018 by bloodb4roses

Answers many questions (very well indeed!); and also raises a few.

What does
.... kaibyou reproduction is dependent on cats existing in certain circumstances.

mean?

Posted November 30th, 2018 by chiarizio

Answers many questions (very well indeed!); and also raises a few.

What does
.... kaibyou reproduction is dependent on cats existing in certain circumstances.

mean?


Kaibyou, and many other animal based youkai, are more like a meta life stage for certain animals than their own species, and do not* reproduce sexually or asexually. They mainly result from cats that live a long time, especially if the cat dies/transforms in strongly emotional circumstances. Not all long lived cats become kaibyou, but the longer they live and the more emotionally charged their lives and deaths are whether positive or negative, the higher the likelihood.

Basically don't expect to see a couple of kaibyou with "kittens". Unless they care for normal cats I mean.

*generally

Posted December 1st, 2018 by bloodb4roses

Thanks! I think I’ve got it now.

Posted December 1st, 2018 by chiarizio

Answers many questions (very well indeed!); and also raises a few.

What does
.... kaibyou reproduction is dependent on cats existing in certain circumstances.

mean?


Kaibyou, and many other animal based youkai, are more like a meta life stage for certain animals than their own species, and do not* reproduce sexually or asexually. They mainly result from cats that live a long time, especially if the cat dies/transforms in strongly emotional circumstances. Not all long lived cats become kaibyou, but the longer they live and the more emotionally charged their lives and deaths are whether positive or negative, the higher the likelihood.

Basically don't expect to see a couple of kaibyou with "kittens". Unless they care for normal cats I mean.

*generally


I'd never heard of this before --- something to think about!

Posted December 1st, 2018 by elemtilas
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