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I can get you some traffic from my site (an unorthodox way)
Posted: Posted January 26th, 2012 by Xhin
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My site is quite large, and there are numerous people who have an interest in conworlding, even if they don't call it that. I've invited a couple of them here over the years, to no avail. Advertising this site there would probably also not lure anyone in. The problem is that the people there are adamant about the way their forum looks, which is completely different to, say, phpbb forums.

What I'd like to do is build a script on my site that poses as a forum/threads from there, but instead shows threads from here. Posting would connect to this part of the server and put threads/posts into this database rather than the one there. The posts here would show up as guest posts with a username, without directly allowing guests to post from here. There might be some syntax issues, but I can correct those as they arise.

I've already built something like this before (in fact, the other site was originally a custom-built way of accessing a simple machines forum).

Thoughts?

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I don't think that's a good idea.
It seems deceptive, which is not a good thing, and wouldn't be appreciated by real conworlders.
And I'm afraid it would expose us more to spammers.

Are you really Xhin, or has Xhin's identity been hijacked?

Posted January 26th, 2012 by chiarizio
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That is Xhin, and his site does have a very different look than here. I think that he means it would be a "cosmetic" widgit, but it would be nice to have some protections from spammers in place.

Posted January 26th, 2012 by bloodb4roses
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That is Xhin, and his site does have a very different look than here. I think that he means it would be a "cosmetic" widgit, but it would be nice to have some protections from spammers in place.



I think the natural protections of his own site would accomplish that- since they would have to be registered there.

I don't think it would be deceptive as long as there was some kind of (from conworlds) note on the thread.

That would be pretty cool :) I'd say go for it. Would be cool to get more replies, wherever from.

Do you think you could translate their basic user account info to here, too, when they post, so they wouldn't need to show up as just guests?
Maybe just auto-register a user name and move their avatar (the rest could be left empty; e.g. we don't need their e-mail or anything).

Posted January 27th, 2012 by Blake
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Sounds like a good idea to me.

Posted January 27th, 2012 by Avjunza
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If such "amendments" (or whatever the right term is) are made as to satisfy everyone else's qualms, and everyone else thinks it's a good idea, then I think it's at least worth a try and would withdraw my objections.

And sorry about not recognizing you, Xhin.

Posted January 28th, 2012 by chiarizio
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Registration isn't required there (maybe 20% of regular users, plus all moderators and staff members actually use it). The staff there can handle all the spam, which usually isn't an issue due to the sheer amount of forums there are. If it does get bad for whatever reason, I'd suggest that they be able to remove posts here from there. I have a deletion backup system in place there so accidents could be restored.

They wouldn't appear as "Guest", they would appear as whatever their username was. However it would have to use the guest system here since their accounts wouldn't transfer over (since they don't have any, other than a username/password combo, and I don't want to transfer THAT over because there's 10,000 of those).

If we do this, we need to gauge what it would take to generalize the forums here somewhat. I'm sure people there would love to read and comment on conworlds because they're fascinating and there's a lot of people interested in science/math/philosophy. The science forum itself would be a very easy sell. I propose that we dumb down some of the terminology since people there don't know what a "conworld" is and we don't want to come off as elitist.

I think if done right it would be far more effective than advertising this site, although if we go down that route we need to use the same principles to appeal to a wider audience.

Posted January 29th, 2012 by Xhin
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Sky's the limit

Sounds like it's worth a shot.

I don't want to dumb down/change the language here, but you could do an auto-replace on some words (like conworld -> fictional universe) for when they are displayed there, maybe? I don't think seeing that in quotes would be a problem (as long as the original isn't changed).

I think the best thing to do would be to put a delay on the posts, before they are transferred here. That way spam would be cleared up before they showed up here (so the administrators there wouldn't need to delete posts from here).

If a little spam got through, that would be alright, as long as it isn't a lot.

Posted January 29th, 2012 by Blake
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Xhin, what do the people on your site think of this idea?

Posted January 29th, 2012 by Quillwraith
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Does any of this still seem doable?
Does any of it still seem like a good idea?
To other members, I mean; I for one think it’s a good idea if it’s doable.

Posted December 30th, 2018 by chiarizio
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My other site is also fairly dead at the moment, I don't think they'd complain if I merged the two.

I also suggested it a while back, and they were on board with the idea.. so if you guys still are, neat!

Posted January 3rd by Xhin
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Sky's the limit

My other site is also fairly dead at the moment, I don't think they'd complain if I merged the two.

I also suggested it a while back, and they were on board with the idea.. so if you guys still are, neat!


Would you like to make a poll?

Only four of us, besides you, are active at these last few months; or at least that’s my impression. So if you get two positive responses, besides you and me, and don’t get any negative responses, I think you could take that as “motion carried”.

Make at least three options; “yes”, “no”, and “I’ll go along with the majority”.
And get at least three responses before closing the poll.

Or, that’s my advice. But do what you think is best.

Posted January 3rd by chiarizio
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My other site is also fairly dead at the moment, I don't think they'd complain if I merged the two.

I also suggested it a while back, and they were on board with the idea.. so if you guys still are, neat!


Would you like to make a poll?

Only four of us, besides you, are active at these last few months; or at least that’s my impression. So if you get two positive responses, besides you and me, and don’t get any negative responses, I think you could take that as “motion carried”.

Make at least three options; “yes”, “no”, and “I’ll go along with the majority”.
And get at least three responses before closing the poll.

Or, that’s my advice. But do what you think is best.


I'll go with the majority, so long as they vote either YES or NO.

Is that sufficiently on the fence?

Posted January 8th by elemtilas
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I'm on the fence too, wondering if a merger can save forums on life support or will just finish them with confusion. Did people migrate away - where to and why? - or did they stop sharing their work or did they stop conworlding altogether? I'm in the third category so I don't feel entitled to vote.

Posted January 13th by Leo
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It looks like we’ve got four votes for “I’ll go with the majority”, no votes for “yes”, and no votes for “no”.

I had recommended that four be considered a quorum.

But I’d really really rather we also heard from bloodb4roses again.
And we might hear from Foolster.

I’m going to change my vote to “yes”. And recommend that if we get another “yes” before we get a “no”, we say “the ayes have it”.

Posted January 13th by chiarizio
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It looks like we’ve got four votes for “I’ll go with the majority”, no votes for “yes”, and no votes for “no”.


Ah, democracy in action!

I had recommended that four be considered a quorum.

But I’d really really rather we also heard from bloodb4roses again.
And we might hear from Foolster.

I’m going to change my vote to “yes”. And recommend that if we get another “yes” before we get a “no”, we say “the ayes have it”.


Well, in my case, I specifically qualified that "the majority" had to vote either yes or no. Since you, all by yourself now constitute the majority of votes of either the yes or no camp, that means I go along with "yes".

Posted January 13th by elemtilas
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Ah, democracy in action!

LOL!


Chiarizio, I did say I don't feel entitled to vote. I was just thinking out loud. So I would list it this way:

Xhin: Yes (I guess)
Chiarizio: Yes
Elemtilas: Going with yes-no majority

Is it still possible to send everyone a call to vote? This may help revive the place?

Posted January 13th by Leo
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Is it still possible to send everyone a call to vote? This may help revive the place?


I recommended Xhin post a poll.
That would get the attention of everybody still active; at least I think so.
It should, if I’m right, also get the attention of the silent-but-watchful non-posting lurkers still lurking here.

I don’t know of a way to get in touch with those who don’t even lurk. Some of the top ten posters haven’t even read the PMs I’ve sent them in the past year.

Posted January 14th by chiarizio
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I was thinking of the admin broadcast system that sends emails bypassing the PM layer and might get more attention with the right subject line - provided enough people are still using the same email address.

Posted January 14th by Leo
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I don’t know about that. I don’t know that eldin raigmore is an admin. He(I) is(am) a moderator.

Posted January 15th by chiarizio
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Yes, eldin raigmore is an admin, and there is such a thing as mass e-mail on the admin index. I wonder whether a mass e-mail is advisable? I’ll think about it. It would help if someone else would think about it with me.

Posted January 15th by eldin raigmore
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Yes, eldin raigmore is an admin, and there is such a thing as mass e-mail on the admin index. I wonder whether a mass e-mail is advisable? I’ll think about it. It would help if someone else would think about it with me.


What would be the specific purpose of this mass email? That is, issue, rationale, goal and intended remedy?

Posted January 15th by elemtilas
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What would be the specific purpose of this mass email? That is, issue, rationale, goal and intended remedy?


Thanks for helping, @elemtilas!

I would want Xhin to help with the subject line for sure, and probably the first sentence as well.
Or, maybe, you. Or Leo or bb4r or Foolster, or anyone who’s a better writer than me.

The purpose would be twofold.
Main purpose: to find out if anyone who still has current contact information on the CWBB’s memberlist, has an opinion about whether or not to accept Xhin’s proposal; and, to find out what that opinion is.
Second purpose: to notify recipients that a possible change to the CWBBoard’s status and contact details may be upcoming, and to give them some firm idea what that change may be.

The issue, I guess, is the attrition of the membership rolls; or at least of the active portion of the membership.

The rationale, as I understand it, is that there is another group (phpBBoard or whatever), facing a similar dropoff in activity, whose interests are somewhat similar to ours. If we merge, some of us will fairly soon take interest in some of their threads, and vice-versa.

I suppose that’s also the goal 🥅; enough members that nearly every day at least one person will post something that several other people will want to read, and at least a few will want to respond to in a week or less.

I would need Xhin to explain the intended remedy. “Merge boards” is the most detailed explanation I can come up with.

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Each item in the above might be wrong, or at least need some editing.

Any advice anyone has would be welcome. Certainly I would welcome it; I bet most still-active members would also welcome it.

Posted January 15th by chiarizio
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I concur, Chiarizio, the mass email or just the poll may need some detail on what the end result of the merger will be like - URL, links, look and feel, features, and I think only Xhin knows this.

As for the subject line: "Conworlds And GameTalk Acquire Each Other For $5B In Unprecedented Move To Better Serve The Community." Or maybe just: "Conworlds members please vote on forum merger but read the fine print first." OK, I can't write a good one...

Posted January 15th by Leo
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Either one might do for a first line of the body. They’re both too long for a subject line in my opinion; we might want the subject line to be 63 characters or fewer. (I actually don’t know the maximal advisable length!)

Posted January 16th by chiarizio
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Conworlders please vote. Forum merger. Read fine print 1st.

Would that work? The original proposal was slightly too long.

Posted January 17th by chiarizio
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Conworlders please vote. Forum merger. Read fine print 1st.

Would that work? The original proposal was slightly too long.


I think that's good. Quick and to the point

Posted January 17th by bloodb4roses
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Shorter is better. Can drop fine print quip.

Now to the email body and poll post body. Xhin, some feature descriptions?

Posted January 17th by Leo
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Curious:

So I've had a shufty at the convos over on GTXO re the Merger. If I understand right that our (CWBB) ten forums and all their archived posts will simply be ported to GTXO, then I'd be all for that. (I have no idea how to do any of that, but seeing as Xhin is the expert and folks on GTXO seem to be on board, I have no qualms about merging. Sure, there'll be cultural difference, but, that's life.


Xhin: The process sounds a bit complex, and I wonder if it couldn't be made simpler for you if you just did the merge magic and have done with it? Just pick a date for M-Day and there we'll all be!

I don't know how feasible it would be, but for historical purposes and dead link prevention, do you plan on leaving CWBB in place? Recently, ZBB switched from incatena.org to verduria.org. The old forum is still visible as a read-only archive. I'd suggest you do that for conworlds.fun which will allow external links to here to remain unsplunch.

Xin & Eldin: To be honest: there are maybe six to twelve relatively active posters here in the few years I've been here. I'm not convinced that sending out emails (except for the account merger process) and creating polls and so forth will have much effect. Those of us who have been interested in CWBB the last few years are those of us who have been active here recently.

I'm kind of leaning towards just doing it, tack a note on the door and lock the old place up. Zompist did that (rather late, I think) with incatena.org -- there was a period of several months where stragglers continued to post on the old forum. In my opinion, a smart plan might just be to write a sticky post of each of our subforums to the effect of "We've Moved!! If you didn't get a merger email, go to http://gtx0.com and sign up for an account!"

For those of us here and interested:
http://gtx0.com/read/website-absorption-notes

Posted January 17th by elemtilas
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http://gtx0.com/read/website-absorption-notes

Thanks for the link. The gradual absorption process and multiple interfaces looks complicated and I tend to agree with Elemtilas that we simply keep this forum as an archive and start afresh on GT in just one forum section, no subsections. Might be a good incentive for me to renew my interest in CW. Going to create a profile on GT now.

Posted January 17th by Leo
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http://gtx0.com/read/website-absorption-notes

Thanks for the link. The gradual absorption process and multiple interfaces looks complicated and I tend to agree with Elemtilas that we simply keep this forum as an archive and start afresh on GT in just one forum section, no subsections. Might be a good incentive for me to renew my interest in CW. Going to create a profile on GT now.


What do you mean by "no subsections"?

If you mean no specific segregation of GTXO from CWBB, then I'd agree. As I understand it, the end result is simply to be a completely integrated forum.

Or do you mean "no creation of new GTXO forums that mirror CWBB forums?? That, of course, I'd not agree with. There would be no point to merging, then!

Posted January 18th by elemtilas
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I probably misunderstood the part where you compared the situation to that of the ZBB, with no post porting. I mean that we'd have a new, empty Conworlds forum section, fully integrated along the existing ones at GT (Games, Physics, etc.), and this section may work just as fine if not broken down into ten subsection as it is here, at least in the beginning. Makes sense?

Posted January 18th by Leo
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I probably misunderstood the part where you compared the situation to that of the ZBB, with no post porting. I mean that we'd have a new, empty Conworlds forum section, fully integrated along the existing ones at GT (Games, Physics, etc.), and this section may work just as fine if not broken down into ten subsection as it is here, at least in the beginning. Makes sense?


Makes sense now!

Actually, it looks like several CWBB subforums would mesh well with GTXO subforums (Canon Critique, Game Mechanics, Science). Even though Canon Critique is as much about books, films and so forth as it is about games.

At the very least, I'd like to have at least two subforums: one for Invented Worlds (maybe combining WIP Conworlds, World & Culture and Magic & SciFi) and Worldbuilding Creativity (maybe combining Creative Writing and Art & Language).

Posted January 18th by elemtilas
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I have read and agree with the seven most recent preceding posts.
Thanks, guys!
So, I guess we’ve decided to do it;
but we’re still thinking about when and how.

A big part of “when and how” seems to be “ask Xhin; he’s the expert” and “trust Xhin; he knows better than the rest of us how to do it right”.

If the rest of us (especially Xhin) agree that I’ve read that right, then I’m all for it.

Posted January 18th by chiarizio
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I have read and agree with the seven most recent preceding posts.
Thanks, guys!
So, I guess we’ve decided to do it;
but we’re still thinking about when and how.

A big part of “when and how” seems to be “ask Xhin; he’s the expert” and “trust Xhin; he knows better than the rest of us how to do it right”.

If the rest of us (especially Xhin) agree that I’ve read that right, then I’m all for it.


I concur. When and how really isn't up to us. If Xhin wants to do it tomorrow, that's fine by me!

As the infrastructure is in place and everything ports over without a hitch.

Then it's just so long and thanks for all the fish!

Posted January 18th by elemtilas
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All good points about a smooth criss-cross merger of several sections, Elemtilas. I would occasionally mix WIP stuff with imagery but it makes sense to have a Creative-only section.

Chiarizio, as an admin what is your best option to set up a big banner telling "We're moving" all across the board - in addition to the sticky posts?

Posted January 18th by Leo
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Wow, this went through quickly. I like elemtilas' idea of merging some of the posts here into GTX0's existing forums.

So, I'll be honest with you guys. The biggest hurdle is going to be importing conworlds.fun's theme. If you guys are alright with using a darker theme for a while, I can make this process go a looooot faster, maybe even get everything imported this week.

As for the rest of the details of this move, the post I made on gtx0 explains things pretty well, but here's a summary:

  • Accounts get imported into GTX0. Since the password algorithms aren't going to mesh up, I'll find some way of linking sessions here to sessions there so you can change your GTX0 password while you're here. Or I might import phpbb's password-checking algorithms and the database's raw hashes. Or something. Wait and see I guess.

  • Threads/posts here get merged with posts over there, however they're "tagged" differently. When on a forum you can see the merged forum or you can see either individual branch. New posts after the merge would appear on both branches.

  • The admins here will be admins there. I won't import the mods because there are conflicts with that approach and also this community doesn't really need many mods.

  • Avatars here will be imported into the MyCard system there, which works similarly.

  • Adding optional signature systems and thread pagination will take some work, but those will also make sense.

  • You'll be able to use the parser here over there. Accounts from the merge will have that parser selected automatically, although you could switch to the GTX0 parser if you want (there's more syntax, for example tables). Some of the colors will need to be adjusted to adapt to the darker layout.

  • This forum will redirect to the "Conworlds site feed" which is a list of posts sorted by newest replies in the conworlds forums. Or alternately we could lock all the forums and have a big banner or something.

  • Whatever other issues we have (there's always more issues!) we can fix as we go.

    If things go horribly horribly wrong, I can always just switch conworlds.fun back into a forum instead of a redirect. I don't plan on deleting it or anything.

    Where the forums go

    Feel free to add suggestions or whatever, these are just my own ideas for where to put everything:

  • Worldbuilding forum -- This is a new forum on GTX0. Here I would stick WIP conworlds, World & Culture and Magic/Sci-fi. GTX0 has a tagging system, so each forum would be tagged differently so you could view individual "forums" inside the Conworlds forum. We could also call this the "Conworlds" forum but I think "Worldbuilding" would make it more accessible. Up to you guys.

  • Science -- merge this into GTX0's existing science forum. I could see your posts really breathing some life into that forum and vice-versa so the merge is worth it for this alone.

  • Creative Forum -- a new forum on GTX0. In here I'd merge Art/Language, Creative Writing, and Game Mechanics/Games. There are also some older GTX0 creative posts that were merged internally a while back that would fit in well here. I think this forum would also restimulate creative posts on GTX0.

  • Canon Critique -- this would be merged into Entertainment & Media.

  • Purgatory -- Nothing important in here, scrap it.

  • General -- Anything related to the merger will go into Feedback (including this thread), the handful of relevant introduction posts can probably go into the worldbuilding forum (with a different tag), or alternately could move everything into General and be able to use the branch-view to see older posts. I don't think many of the posts in General are really relevant; we mostly want to keep them around for archival purposes.

    Thoughts?

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    Sky's the limit

    Wow, this went through quickly. I like elemtilas' idea of merging some of the posts here into GTX0's existing forums.


    Several CWBB forums seem to be a natural fit in that regard. To be quite honest, there are not a lot of interesting forums at GTXO from my worldbuilding perspective. Sports --- uhhhh. Politics and Religion I try to avoid unless something completely egregious or factually incorrect or malicious is tendered as truth. Games per se I've no interest in. Game worlds and movie / book worlds áre of interest, Science, Math & Tech is of interest.

    So, I'll be honest with you guys. The biggest hurdle is going to be importing conworlds.fun's theme. If you guys are alright with using a darker theme for a while, I can make this process go a looooot faster, maybe even get everything imported this week.


    This is just me speaking: we don't need "themes". The current CWBB "theme" is basically mid-1990s Forum Blah. I personally like the set up of GTXO, the dark blue/black/etc.

    I'd vote for just making appropriate forums that we'd actually need without a whole lot of tweaking the themes or look of GTXO itself.

    As for the rest of the details of this move, the post I made on gtx0 explains things pretty well, but here's a summary:

  • Accounts get imported into GTX0. Since the password algorithms aren't going to mesh up, I'll find some way of linking sessions here to sessions there so you can change your GTX0 password while you're here. Or I might import phpbb's password-checking algorithms and the database's raw hashes. Or something. Wait and see I guess.


  • I already made a GTXO account. Though I'm now confused. Why would anyone be "here" (at CWBB). I thought the whole point of merger was to, well, merge! Data (posts) from CWBB go to GTXO; people (all seven or eight of us!) from CWBB go to GTXO. Lock up the old forum as an archive and we continue as per normal at GTXO.

    Am I misunderstanding something?

    * Threads/posts here get merged with posts over there, however they're "tagged" differently. When on a forum you can see the merged forum or you can see either individual branch. New posts after the merge would appear on both branches.


    Sorry, but I don't understand what that means!

    * The admins here will be admins there. I won't import the mods because there are conflicts with that approach and also this community doesn't really need many mods.


    Fair enough.

    * Avatars here will be imported into the MyCard system there, which works similarly.


    Fair enough.

    * Adding optional signature systems and thread pagination will take some work, but those will also make sense.


    Okay.

    * You'll be able to use the parser here over there. Accounts from the merge will have that parser selected automatically, although you could switch to the GTX0 parser if you want (there's more syntax, for example tables). Some of the colors will need to be adjusted to adapt to the darker layout.


    Again, I'm confused as to why we'd be using anything "here" (at CWBB) at all!

    * This forum will redirect to the "Conworlds site feed" which is a list of posts sorted by newest replies in the conworlds forums. Or alternately we could lock all the forums and have a big banner or something.


    I believe the simplest solution would be to just lock CWBB --- freeze it in time --- perhaps a week or a fortnight after Merge Day (any last minute disaster reports or communications could thus be made here).

    Anybody who has been away from CWBB for the last decade will thus not be lulled into thinking it's still an active forum.

    * Whatever other issues we have (there's always more issues!) we can fix as we go.


    Right.

    If things go horribly horribly wrong, I can always just switch conworlds.fun back into a forum instead of a redirect. I don't plan on deleting it or anything.


    Excellent. I think that's a good plan.

    Where the forums go

    Feel free to add suggestions or whatever, these are just my own ideas for where to put everything:

  • Worldbuilding forum -- This is a new forum on GTX0. Here I would stick WIP conworlds, World & Culture and Magic/Sci-fi. GTX0 has a tagging system, so each forum would be tagged differently so you could view individual "forums" inside the Conworlds forum. We could also call this the "Conworlds" forum but I think "Worldbuilding" would make it more accessible. Up to you guys.


  • I've never liked any of the "con-" neologisms. I'd be happy with Worldbuilding!

    "Worldbuilding" seems to be a rather more common term in the broader community and would create instant connexions with the other worldbuilding forums out there.

    Although not specifially invented language oriented, I think this would also be the natural forum for any incidental glossopoetic threads to exist.

    * Science -- merge this into GTX0's existing science forum. I could see your posts really breathing some life into that forum and vice-versa so the merge is worth it for this alone.


    Concur. I actually found quite a few interesting posts in the GTXO DSM&T forum!

    * Creative Forum -- a new forum on GTX0. In here I'd merge Art/Language, Creative Writing, and Game Mechanics/Games. There are also some older GTX0 creative posts that were merged internally a while back that would fit in well here. I think this forum would also restimulate creative posts on GTX0.


    Fair enough. Though CWBB's "Game Mechanics/Games" forum is probably its weakest: the newest thread there is 2008!

    Again, just my opinion, but that subforum might best be folded into GTXO's "Video Game News & Discussion". Stories set in fantasy & scifi & game worlds, character & monster creation, images, maps, music --- that's the sort of stuff I at least would like to see in the Creativity forum.

    * Canon Critique -- this would be merged into Entertainment & Media.


    Fair enough.

    * Purgatory -- Nothing important in here, scrap it.


    Excellent. You might consider purging the entirely useless threads there.

    The "Conworlder Magazine" thread & poll, though, I think ought to put somewhere else (maybe in Worldbuilding?) for reasons of history & community interest.

    The threads regarding the trials and tribulations of conworlds.xyz and its moves from server to server should probably also be left as is, for historical purposes.

    I'd suggest keeping these:

    ( Poll ) Conworlder magazine? --- definitely
    Well, in case the domain name goes down
    Forum moved to another server!
    Conworlds.info is in trouble
    Specify the feedback that you want --- maybe?
    Forum Rules - old --- maybe?
    Since nobody will notice if I don't post it here. --- maybe?


    The last three are CWBB rules related. I don't even know if there is an updated list of house rules, and anyway, they'd either supplement or be supplanted by GTXO's house rules. But I think the posts ought to be kept as a matter of archive.


    * General -- Anything related to the merger will go into Feedback (including this thread), the handful of relevant introduction posts can probably go into the worldbuilding forum (with a different tag), or alternately could move everything into General and be able to use the branch-view to see older posts. I don't think many of the posts in General are really relevant; we mostly want to keep them around for archival purposes.


    Right.

    I see a couple threads that could be placed in DSM&T or Worldbuilding, but I'd leave that up to you! Or perhaps Eldin could compile a list of Terribly Interesting Posts that really ought to be transferred to a different forum?

    Posted January 21st by elemtilas
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    Why would anyone be "here" (at CWBB). I thought the whole point of merger was to, well, merge! Data (posts) from CWBB go to GTXO; people (all seven or eight of us!) from CWBB go to GTXO. Lock up the old forum as an archive and we continue as per normal at GTXO.


    Oh that's just me doing technical babbling, ignore it.

    Basically I'm thinking out loud about how to get the people here into their accounts on GTX0 since actual passwords aren't retrievable and the hashing/salting system works differently. I'll figure something out though, that's my job :P


    Sorry, but I don't understand what that means!

    Basically, when you go to, say, GTX0's science forum, you'll by default see a "merged" view with posts from both GTX0's pre-merge science forum and the science forum here. However you'll also be able to click "Conworlds branch" and view only the posts that were dumped from this board if you want. Good for archive searching and easing the transition.


    Again, I'm confused as to why we'd be using anything "here" (at CWBB) at all!

    More technical mumbo-jumbo I guess. But basically, the way you format posts here and on GTX0 works differently. Things like [ b ][ /b ] are the same, but font color, size, and lists work differently. My idea is to sort of recreate the way phpbb formats posts so old posts won't break, and users from here will have that option turned on when they post. This is again to help ease the transition.

    None of that is actually happening here, this site is in fact just a locked board with a big banner or something at the top.

    Again, just my opinion, but that subforum might best be folded into GTXO's "Video Game News & Discussion".

    Probably a better idea.

    The "Conworlder Magazine" thread & poll, though, I think ought to put somewhere else (maybe in Worldbuilding?) for reasons of history & community interest.

    The threads regarding the trials and tribulations of conworlds.xyz and its moves from server to server should probably also be left as is, for historical purposes.


    I can certainly do that. Maybe sticky them in the worldbuilding forum.

    I don't even know if there is an updated list of house rules, and anyway, they'd either supplement or be supplanted by GTXO's house rules.


    Everything in the rules thread should be covered by GTX0's house rules.

    Posted January 21st by Xhin
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    Why would anyone be "here" (at CWBB). I thought the whole point of merger was to, well, merge! Data (posts) from CWBB go to GTXO; people (all seven or eight of us!) from CWBB go to GTXO. Lock up the old forum as an archive and we continue as per normal at GTXO.


    Oh that's just me doing technical babbling, ignore it.


    Oh, thank goodness!

    I'm used to ignoring technobabble! ;)

    Basically I'm thinking out loud about how to get the people here into their accounts on GTX0 since actual passwords aren't retrievable and the hashing/salting system works differently. I'll figure something out though, that's my job :P


    On the other hand, making a GTXO account was a very simple process. Would it be easier for you or will it throw a spanner in the works if we just make our own accounts?

    I've already done so in anticipation of the Merge.


    Sorry, but I don't understand what that means!


    Basically, when you go to, say, GTX0's science forum, you'll by default see a "merged" view with posts from both GTX0's pre-merge science forum and the science forum here. However you'll also be able to click "Conworlds branch" and view only the posts that were dumped from this board if you want. Good for archive searching and easing the transition.


    I see. It's not like there will be a "clone" of how CWBB looks. (I'm not asking for that!)


    Again, I'm confused as to why we'd be using anything "here" (at CWBB) at all!


    More technical mumbo-jumbo I guess. But basically, the way you format posts here and on GTX0 works differently. Things like [ b ][ /b ] are the same, but font color, size, and lists work differently. My idea is to sort of recreate the way phpbb formats posts so old posts won't break, and users from here will have that option turned on when they post. This is again to help ease the transition.


    That's fine. Every forum is a little different. Frankly, CWBB is probably the most dated forum I'm active on. Colour and font size are nice, tables will be quite handy --- especially when Eldin goes full-on Adiphi culture on us!

    I hope proper image handling (resizing, etc) will be available post-Merge!

    None of that is actually happening here, this site is in fact just a locked board with a big banner or something at the top.


    Understood.

    The "Conworlder Magazine" thread & poll, though, I think ought to put somewhere else (maybe in Worldbuilding?) for reasons of history & community interest.

    The threads regarding the trials and tribulations of conworlds.xyz and its moves from server to server should probably also be left as is, for historical purposes.


    I can certainly do that. Maybe sticky them in the worldbuilding forum.


    Okay.

    Speaking of sticky posts, how do they work in GTXO? Is that something anyone can do or only a Mod?

    I don't even know if there is an updated list of house rules, and anyway, they'd either supplement or be supplanted by GTXO's house rules.


    Everything in the rules thread should be covered by GTX0's house rules.


    Very good.

    Posted January 21st by elemtilas
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    Would it be easier for you or will it throw a spanner in the works if we just make our own accounts?


    It would work better if I just import accounts, that way you're tied to your old posts correctly.


    That's fine. Every forum is a little different. Frankly, CWBB is probably the most dated forum I'm active on. Colour and font size are nice, tables will be quite handy --- especially when Eldin goes full-on Adiphi culture on us!


    I'll wait and see what the other guys here think but if you guys are okay with switching over to GTX0 formatting, that'll speed up the transition a lot. You'd get this, if nothing else:
    http://gtx0.com/read/the-table-tag
    Also font sizing, inline colors and bullet points are a lot easier. And you can quote stuff by putting a > in front of it.


    Speaking of sticky posts, how do they work in GTXO? Is that something anyone can do or only a Mod?


    Only a mod.

    Posted January 21st by Xhin
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    So there would be a porting of the posts here to there? With the formatting syntax and the parser that goes with it? My view was for us conworlders to simply start anew on GTX0, keeping the CWBB posts locked here, available for hyperlinking to them but nothing more. I thought this was Elemtilas' view as well (ZBB case). It is my turn to be confused.

    On the other hand, porting the posts and auto-updating the links in them will make it possible to ditch the conworlds.fun domain and stop paying for it. But this is the more complicated solution and I would feel guilty for putting this burden on you, Xhin. Should we delete the user accounts we created on GTX0 to make the porting easier?

    I agree on using 'World building' instead of 'Conworlds.'

    Posted January 21st by Leo
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    Would it be easier for you or will it throw a spanner in the works if we just make our own accounts?


    It would work better if I just import accounts, that way you're tied to your old posts correctly.


    Oups!

    Should I delete the account I made?

    Or can you just wave your wand at it?

    Posted January 21st by elemtilas
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    [+1] to all the January 21 posts above!

    Posted January 21st by chiarizio
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    I like how accommodating you guys are to this. The sanest and fastest approach would be something like this:

    1. Get gtx0 set up (new forums, the "branch" thing has been planned for a while so it won't take long to program in.)

    2. Import accounts, ignoring anyone who already has a gtx0 account. This is kind of a necessary step because of how usernames are set up over there.

    3. import avatars too so things look better.

    4. Lock this place down

    5. Import posts

    6. Put a banner or something at the top, take a week to adjust and work out issues maybe and then mass email our memberlist.

    If you guys want to accelerate the process I could probably do all of that over the next few days, though I'll get everything set up first and let you guys know in advance of the move, because merging posts will probably take an hour or two.

    Posted January 22nd by Xhin
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    2. Import accounts, ignoring anyone who already has a gtx0 account. This is kind of a necessary step because of how usernames are set up over there.


    So, for those of us who already made accounts, just leave them as is?

    Posted January 22nd by elemtilas
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    Yeah it'll be all right, you guys should be linked into the right usernames already (this is technobabble, ignore it).

    Posted January 22nd by Xhin
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    Sky's the limit

    Yeah it'll be all right, you guys should be linked into the right usernames already (this is technobabble, ignore it).


    k.

    Posted January 22nd by elemtilas
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    Quick update.

    Accounts have been imported, and as an added bonus, you can use your conworlds password to login at gtx0. This will make the transition for anyone who didn't read this thread a whole hell of a lot smoother :)

    If you already had an account, I'm going to wave my magic wand over it and merge the two.

    Posted January 22nd by Xhin
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    What’s the full URL for gtx0 again?

    Posted January 22nd by chiarizio
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    The URL in Xhin's signature: http://gtx0.com/ but there might be more for merging purposes?
    In any case I can't log into gtx0 anymore, with the password I created on gtx0 or my conworlds.fun password. Not going to the resolution thing (not sure what it is) to recover it, must be temporary, right? Need to post something on the up-down XOR game.

    Posted January 22nd by Leo
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    Leo, try logging in as _Leo with your CWBB account. I haven't merged those accounts yet, so that'll turn back into "Leo" at some point.

    Posted January 22nd by Xhin
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    Chiarizio, same deal with you -- try logging into _chiarizio and _eldin raigmore with your CWBB password.

    Posted January 23rd by Xhin
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    This worked, thanks! I didn't post to the thread though because I got lost in the Starmaze link EN posted, which is shedding a new light onto the game.

    Posted January 23rd by Leo
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    Yeah the starmaze website is a ridiculous rabbit hole.

    Posted January 23rd by Xhin
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    Chiarizio, same deal with you -- try logging into _chiarizio and _eldin raigmore with your CWBB password.

    Those both worked. Thanks.

    Posted January 24th by chiarizio
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    Just a quick update on this:

    Everything is set up on my end. I'm doing a mock run today to make sure there aren't going to be any very obvious problems and then we should be ready to set an actual merge date.

    Posted January 26th by Xhin
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    Just a quick update on this:

    Everything is set up on my end. I'm doing a mock run today to make sure there aren't going to be any very obvious problems and then we should be ready to set an actual merge date.


    I'd leave that up to you!

    Whenever your tests are done and content from here is moved to GTXO, just let us know!

    EDIT: I notice there is some kind of post size limit. That could, especially in the Creative forum, stifle a bit. What is the nature of the limit?

    Posted January 26th by elemtilas
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    The post size limit shouldn't be big enough to matter. There are posts like this one:
    http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=23657
    What's the issue you're getting specifically?

    Posted January 26th by Xhin
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    Just a quick update on this:
    Everything is set up on my end. I'm doing a mock run today to make sure there aren't going to be any very obvious problems and then we should be ready to set an actual merge date.

    Hooray! (Especially, hooray for Xhin!)

    I'd leave that up to you!
    Whenever your tests are done and content from here is moved to GTXO, just let us know!

    I also feel what elemtilas just expressed.

    EDIT: I notice there is some kind of post size limit. That could, especially in the Creative forum, stifle a bit. What is the nature of the limit?

    Hell, it could get in my way in World&Culture, WIP, Science, or Magic&SF.
    It could get in most people’s way in Art, and in Games.
    I think anything smaller than 24K is unreasonably constraining, at least for artwork.
    A lineprinter’s pages were 13.2 inches wide by 11 inches long.
    The characters could be printed on the lines at 12 characters per inch. (About 158 characters per line).
    The lines could be printed on the pages at 8 lines per inch. (88 lines per page).
    So a given page could contain 13,904 characters.
    Typically you’d be looking at two consecutive pages together.
    27,808 is less than 24K = 24,576.

    I had trouble trying to copy pages I didn’t originally post, from conworlds.info to conworlds.com, then again from conworlds.com to conworlds.fun, because of the nginx error. Some of them had to be split into three or four parts! And one of the parts got lost.
    These were survey posts, or index posts, or table-of-contents -type posts. Overviews, etc., of what’s available on the CWBB.

    It would be a shame to lose them.

    Can we avoid the nginx error?

    ———

    Another problem with changing sites;
    Sometimes some part of someone’s post on the old site, is invisible on the new site, unless (and except when) you’re trying to edit it.

    Can we avoid that this time?

    Posted January 26th by chiarizio
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    The post size limit shouldn't be big enough to matter. There are posts like this one: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=23657 What's the issue you're getting specifically?

    That one is totally unreadable.

    Posted January 26th by chiarizio
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    I had trouble trying to copy pages I didn’t originally post, from conworlds.info to conworlds.com, then again from conworlds.com to conworlds.fun, because of the nginx error. Some of them had to be split into three or four parts! And one of the parts got lost.


    Hmm, I didn't realize it was an nginx error that was causing it. If so that would have affected this site as well. I'll look into it.

    It would be a shame to lose them.


    At least GTX0 saves a copy of whatever you post in case there's an error that prevents you from posting it.

    Sometimes some part of someone’s post on the old site, is invisible on the new site, unless (and except when) you’re trying to edit it.


    That shouldn't be an issue. I spent a good bit of time making sure the formatting will transfer right.


    That one is totally unreadable.


    My point was just that it was a very long post. If this is indeed an nginx error though I'll figure it out and fix it.

    Posted January 27th by Xhin
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    Everything from about yesterday been imported in a "mock run". I also saved all the actual queries I did so the actual merge process won't take longer than a few minutes :)

    At the moment all the posts are locked and there's no way of looking at conworlds-branch posts specifically, however I've marked all the mock posts with a shiny earth icon.

    Good places to see mock posts:
    http://gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Worldbuilding http://gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Creative http://gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Sci-math
    Let me know if anything (other than an errant [ url] tag, working on that) looks weird or broken.

    Also we should be ready for the actual merge whenever you guys are ready. Let me know what you think.

    Posted January 27th by Xhin
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    Sky's the limit

    Oh also you guys can login using your CWBB password to your actual name now without the underscore.

    Posted January 27th by Xhin
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    Sky's the limit

    The post size limit shouldn't be big enough to matter. There are posts like this one:
    http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=23657
    What's the issue you're getting specifically?


    Oh, I tried posting a short story in the Creative forum and got this error:

    414 Request-URI Too Large

    EDIT: Quick question. I see that when I look at for example this post, clicking on a linked post leads me back here to CWBB. Will I be able to update the links to the relevant post in GTXO??

    PS: I couldn't log in with either password...

    Posted January 27th by elemtilas
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    Oh also you guys can login using your CWBB password to your actual name now without the underscore.

    ERROR: Incorrect password or invalid username
    (with chiarizio)

    ERROR: Incorrect password or invalid username
    (with _chiarizio)

    ERROR: Incorrect password or invalid username
    (with eldin raigmore)

    ERROR: Incorrect password or invalid username
    (with _eldin raigmore)

    ________________________________________

    It used to work with the underscores.
    Now it won’t work with or without them.

    ===================

    Just in case, I tried registering eldin raigmore.
    Guess what I got?
    ERROR: Incorrect password or invalid username

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    But I did read several posts, and clicking on links took me to the right places; except that clicking on CWBB links took me to conworlds.fun.
    Unless they tried to take me to conworlds.com or conworlds.info. Those didn’t work.
    Or they tried to take me to incatena.org or spinnwebe. Those didn’t work either.

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    .... I've marked all the mock posts with a shiny earth icon.
    Good places to see mock posts: http://gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Worldbuilding http://gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Creative http://gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Sci-math ....


    Those all seem to work just great 👍🏼!

    Posted January 27th by chiarizio
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    All right it looks like the actual message maximum length is 65535 characters.
    That should be more than enough for whatever you'd like to post, except perhaps some short stories longer than "Nate the Snake".

    I've installed a script that alerts you if what you're posting is too long, and then gives it to you on that page so you don't lose it horribly:



    If you hit an NGINX error instead then what you're posting is way way way too big, so big that it triggers the anti-dos protections. Might be better to host those kinds of files elsewhere. If I'm wrong and what you're posting is very definitely below 65535 then let me know with whatever the text is (maybe put it in a google doc or something) and I'll run some tests to try to fix the issue.

    Posted January 27th by Xhin
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    Accounts should be fixed again. Try logging into "chiarizio" and "eldin raigmore" with your CWBB password.

    Posted January 27th by Xhin
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    EDIT: Quick question. I see that when I look at for example this post, clicking on a linked post leads me back here to CWBB. Will I be able to update the links to the relevant post in GTXO??



    But I did read several posts, and clicking on links took me to the right places; except that clicking on CWBB links took me to conworlds.fun.
    Unless they tried to take me to conworlds.com or conworlds.info. Those didn’t work.


    That's a more complicated issue, but it's fixable. There's no need to change the links yourself, I'll write a script that changes them all in one go.

    Or they tried to take me to incatena.org or spinnwebe. Those didn’t work either.


    That's because those sites no longer exist -- zompist packed up the ZBB and moved it to Verduria. Nothing I can really do to fix those issues.

    Posted January 27th by Xhin
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    Another update: The branches system is totally set up now. For example you can see only CWBB posts in the science forum via this link:

    http://www.gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Sci-math&branchid=2

    Or only GTX0 posts:

    http://www.gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Sci-math&branchid=1

    I've also got the forums that were imported into Worldbuilding set up so you can see those original specific forums:

    WIP conworlds
    www.gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Worldbuilding&section=worlds

    World & Culture
    www.gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Worldbuilding&section=culture

    Magic / Sci-fi
    http://www.gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Worldbuilding&section=magic_scifi

    At this point everything is ready to go on my end, it's just up to you guys on when you want to move :)

    Posted January 27th by Xhin
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    Okay, was able to login as elemtilas; but I notice that I seem to be showing up as _elemtilas on GTXO. Is that normal or will the underscore somehow disappear?

    Posted January 28th by elemtilas
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    Would I be able to change my user name once i'm there (and have logged in with my current info)? Or would I have to make a new account to get a new username?

    Posted January 28th by bloodb4roses
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    as near as I can tell everything is working now.

    Spoke too soon!
    chiarizio works.
    Neither eldin raigmore nor _eldin raigmore works.

    ————-

    I am about to post my first reply to an original gtx0 member.

    That worked!

    ————-

    What’s “merit”, how is it calculated, and when does it change?

    —————

    Okay, was able to login as elemtilas; but I notice that I seem to be showing up as _elemtilas on GTXO. Is that normal or will the underscore somehow disappear?


    I also logged on as chiarizio, but it keeps telling me I’m _chiarizio. So I have the same questions elemtilas has.

    —————

    Can we sort posts by whatever?
    Forum, topic, post subject, author, date?
    Ascending or descending?
    Can we search the contents of the posts?

    —————

    What happens to polls?
    On gtx0 I tried to edit my “Is the future in front of you or behind you?” thread,
    http://conworlds.fun/cwbb/viewtopic.php?p=21410&highlight=future+above+past+below#21410 ,
    which starts with a poll here on the CWBB, and I couldn’t find the poll anywhere.

    Posted January 28th by chiarizio
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    Okay, was able to login as elemtilas; but I notice that I seem to be showing up as _elemtilas on GTXO. Is that normal or will the underscore somehow disappear?


    I also logged on as chiarizio, but it keeps telling me I’m _chiarizio. So I have the same questions elemtilas has.


    Fixed.

    Would I be able to change my user name once i'm there (and have logged in with my current info)? Or would I have to make a new account to get a new username?


    Yes, you can change your username. GTX0 also supports the idea of "altnames", where you can have multiple posting names linked to the same account. This can be useful if you want to post about your world speaking from the perspective of one of the conpeople there or something.

    Neither eldin raigmore nor _eldin raigmore works.


    Fixed!

    What’s “merit”, how is it calculated, and when does it change?


    At the moment it's based on post length, the number of replies your posts receive, and other things:
    http://gtx0.com/read/merit-system
    This whole system will probably be scrapped and rebuilt at some point. I'd like to make the rankings portion of it reset every month or so (though you'll still keep "total" merit).

    Posted January 28th by Xhin
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    Can we sort posts by whatever?
    Forum, topic, post subject, author, date?
    Ascending or descending?
    Can we search the contents of the posts?


    You have quite a lot of options for searching through posts:



    Click the "Filter" button above a forum index to get this menu:



    You can then adjust these parameters to your liking:

  • Website Branch -- GTX0 or conworlds for the time being
  • By user -- same as "author search". If you're logged in, clicking "mine" will fill it in with your username.
  • Date -- here you can put in a specific date, and specify whether you want to search for posts after that date or before it.
  • Title looks like -- the same as "post subject" search.
  • Section -- This allows you to search individual forums on the CWBB pre-merge. It will also show "topics" elsewhere on GTX0 from older sorting systems.
  • Sort -- This lets you sort the posts you search for in ascending or descending order.

    List Type

    This is a bit different.

    On GTX0 by default, the view of all forums is based on when the topic was created, with more newly created topics appearing first (after stickies of course).

    By changing this to "Hottest" you can get more of a "last replied-to" view like appears here and elsewhere. I believe there's an option in your user CP that allows you to do this automatically as well.

    By changing it to "Replies", you instead get a list of replies sorted by newest replies first. This is a great way to look at new replies to a forum "at a glance". There's also a "Replies: full text" option which doesn't cut off replies at a certain character limit.

    Up at the top of the site you'll see three links below the blocky forum links called "Newest Posts" , "Replies" and "Hottest". These do the same functions, except they aggregate the entirety of the site.

  • Posted January 28th by Xhin
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    I'm working on importing polls.

    I wouldn't recommend editing anything CWBBB-based on GTX0 for a couple of reasons:

  • All the stuff I've transferred over will be deleted before the merge. After the merge there will be a fresh copy of all the posts here.

  • The formatting in the database is really crazy. I have some filters in place to make the posts show correctly but they haven't been attached to post editing yet.

  • Posted January 28th by Xhin
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    OK, both IDs work fine without the underscores.
    And everything else you mentioned works too, with the exception of the polls, which you are already working on.

    Or maybe one other thing, too.
    I have no idea what “section” my posts will be in.
    I couldn’t look up my “ is the future in front or behind?” post by section.
    Having found it by date, I still couldn’t figure out what section it’s in.

    In general, though, I’m pleased! I don’t need to wait on any remaining problems I know about!
    I’m ready to go if everyone else is.
    I may still need some tutelage right after the merge for a while, though.

    Posted January 28th by chiarizio
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    In the meantime while I continue to work on some things, here's a list of some useful new formatting tools (chiarizio, you should be particularly happy about the [ table] tag :) )
    http://gtx0.com/read/useful-gtx0-syntax-for-newcomers

    Posted January 28th by Xhin
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    Okay, was able to login as elemtilas; but I notice that I seem to be showing up as _elemtilas on GTXO. Is that normal or will the underscore somehow disappear?


    Fixed.

    Thanks!

    Works fine now.

    Posted January 28th by elemtilas
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    I don’t like the length restrictions in the “merit” system.
    Aside from my own habits, I think it would penalize anyone who posts a complete story. And elemtilas and Foolster and bloodb4roses and even Xhin and Leo have done that, to my considerable enjoyment.
    Maybe you could double all the length restrictions in the story part? And quadruple them in the art part?
    A good short story would probably be a thousand words long. English words actually average about 7 characters in mean length; but it’s customary to pretend that average should be 5 characters.
    So, 5000 characters for a short story, 10000 for a novella, 20000 for a novelette, or some such thing?
    Anything longer should probably be divided into chapters.

    ———

    As for me and my habits; maybe I should attempt to break up my long posts more; or maybe I should just never care about the “merit” thing.
    But, really, I don’t see why I shouldn’t post 8K posts whenever I have that much to say; and I don’t think 24K is unreasonably long if it’s not too frequent.

    If I type on an 8.5 inch by 11 inch piece of typing paper, leaving quarter-inch margins at the left and right, and half-inch margins at the top and bottom, and use a pica monotype font of ten characters per inch horizontally and six lines per inch vertically, I’ll type 80*60=4800 characters. Call it 4K = 4096, and subtract one for 4095. I think it’s reasonable to ask contributors to paginate what they say if it’s over 4095 characters, but not to force them to do so if it’s shorter. Nor to penalize them for posting a whole page or less.

    If they post more than two pages, likely many won’t read every page. So you might start dinging them whenever they post more than four pages.

    Or something.

    Posted January 28th by chiarizio
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    A 3*5 card would hold about 18*50 = 900 characters. About the size of a card in a library card catalog. Very minimal.

    A 4*6 card would hold about 24*60 = 1440 characters. About the size of a recipe card in a recipe box. Quite concise and compressed.

    A 5*7 card would hold about 30*70 = 2100 characters. I don’t really know what’s that big.

    A 7*9 page would hold about 70*54 = 3780 characters. If you had an 8*10 page but you were required to leave half-inch margins all the way around, say, because you were submitting a journal article, you could put this many on a page. Hardly prolix; very disciplined.

    8 * 10.5 could hold 80 * 63 = 5040 characters.
    8.5 * 11 could hold 85 * 66 = 5610 characters.
    Reasonable one-page short-short stories, I guess, with big type for the nearsighted.

    And that’s all assuming it’s ten-point type; ten letters per inch horizontally, and six lines per inch vertically.

    With elite 12-point type, and 8 lines per inch;
    On a landscape-oriented 3 * 5 card you could have 24 lines of 60 characters each, for 1440 characters.
    On a landscape-oriented 4 * 6 card you could have 32 lines of 72 characters each, for 2304 characters.
    A portrait-oriented 7 * 9 page would have 72 lines at 84 characters each, for 6048 characters.
    Portrait-oriented 8 * 10.5 would be 84 lines times 96 characters per line, about 8040 characters.
    Portrait-oriented 8.5 * 11 would be 88 lines times 102 characters per line, about 8976 characters.

    I don’t see why anything that short would need to be sectioned.
    The biggest one is still just one page.
    I think chopping up a page’s-worth of text into ten index-cards’-worth of text,
    would make it less comprehensible, rather than more.

    I move that
    8K or fewer be regarded as small;
    8K to 24K be regarded as medium; and
    over 24K be regarded as large.

    Posted January 29th by chiarizio
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    The original merit restrictions were somewhat arbitrary and also based on the needs of a very different community (one where long posts serve to kill conversation rather than generate it).

    I'll lift the long post penalization tomorrow. Anything over 1000 characters will be worth 15 merit. (Not that merit itself is meaningful at the moment)

    Posted January 29th by Xhin
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Are you going to set a minimum length of, say, 900 chars?
    Or 512. Or 1024? Or 768?

    Or, if it’s a reply, original content can’t be less than 25% as long as quoted material?

    Not making a recommendation. Nor warning against. Just saying what I’ve seen elsewhere!

    Posted January 29th by chiarizio
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    I couldn’t login to gtx0 as chiarizio last night; but I could as _chiarizio.

    EDIT: This morning Both chiarizio and eldin raigmore work. Neither _chiarizio nor _eldin raigmore work. That’s how it’s supposed to be, right?

    The only weird thing is that most of my posts as eldin raigmore seem to have been made on December 31st of 1969 CE. I don’t think I was even aware of this online community then. In fact that’s around the time I first read M’Intosh’s novel “Time Out of Mind” and encountered its hero “Eldin Raigmore”. My friend Chiarizio was still alive then.

    Posted January 29th by chiarizio
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    I couldn’t login to gtx0 as chiarizio last night; but I could as _chiarizio.

    EDIT: This morning Both chiarizio and eldin raigmore work. Neither _chiarizio nor _eldin raigmore work. That’s how it’s supposed to be, right?

    The only weird thing is that most of my posts as eldin raigmore seem to have been made on December 31st of 1969 CE. I don’t think I was even aware of this online community then. In fact that’s around the time I first read M’Intosh’s novel “Time Out of Mind” and encountered its hero “Eldin Raigmore”. My friend Chiarizio was still alive then.


    I often wondered at the origin stories for your names!

    Posted January 29th by elemtilas
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    UPDATE

  • Polls have been fixed.
  • Merit penalties for long posts have been removed
  • The 1969 posts glitch has been fixed, which also means that the "Hottest" view of posts (the way the CWBB handles it by default) works correctly again.

    Example:
    http://gtx0.com/index.php?forum=Worldbuilding&mode=hot
    EDIT: This morning Both chiarizio and eldin raigmore work. Neither _chiarizio nor _eldin raigmore work. That’s how it’s supposed to be, right?


    Yes. Everything should be working the right way now.

  • Posted January 29th by Xhin
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Are we ready to merge for real?

    Posted January 31st by Xhin
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    I am. Others must speak for themselves.
    And, thank you, Xhin!

    —————

    BTW what about our PMs?

    Posted January 31st by chiarizio
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    I can transfer the PM's too, they should be much much easier than anything else I've had to do so far.

    I'm going to do the merge tomorrow. I'd say get ready but we've already done this once kinda :P

    Posted January 31st by Xhin
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    I already have something I want to post.
    Should I log on now to gtx0 as chiarizio and post it Ona a new thread?
    Or wait until after the merge?
    Or what?

    Posted January 31st by chiarizio
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    Are we ready to merge for real?


    Sure!

    Just to follow up on a previous question: were you able to sort out a way to update CWBB posts that link to other CWBB posts? In other words, so that the newly transferred GTX0 posts will now link to the appropriate GTX0 posts?

    Posted January 31st by elemtilas
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    Or wait until after the merge?


    You could post it now or then, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter which website you put it either. :)

    Just to follow up on a previous question: were you able to sort out a way to update CWBB posts that link to other CWBB posts? In other words, so that the newly transferred GTX0 posts will now link to the appropriate GTX0 posts?


    Not yet, but that'll be one of the things I fix post-merge (along with PM's and editing issues).

    See you guys on the other side!

    Posted January 31st by Xhin
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    Xhin
    Sky's the limit

    Or wait until after the merge?


    You could post it now or then, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter which website you put it either. :)

    Just to follow up on a previous question: were you able to sort out a way to update CWBB posts that link to other CWBB posts? In other words, so that the newly transferred GTX0 posts will now link to the appropriate GTX0 posts?


    Not yet, but that'll be one of the things I fix post-merge (along with PM's and editing issues).

    See you guys on the other side!


    So long CWBB and thanks for all the fish!

    Posted January 31st by elemtilas
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    Gbye, CWBB, it’s been a lot of fun!
    Many fond memories, and I’m sure I’ll think of you frequently for a long while; and probably think of you occasionally until I succumb to Alzheimer’s.

    Posted January 31st by chiarizio
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    I suppose I'm ready to move over

    Posted January 31st by bloodb4roses
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    Ditto. Thank you Xhin for the wizardry!

    Posted January 31st by Leo
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