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Cultural TC: Some girls ...
Posted: Posted March 27th, 2009 by chiarizio
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Some girls are young and feminine and pretty;
and some girls are young and feminine;
and some girls are young.

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When my father first told me that saying*, the point was that some girls, though young and feminine, are not so pretty; and that some are neither pretty nor feminine, but are, nevertheless, young.

So in RL the saying has to do with differing degrees of attractiveness of MOTAS (members of the appropriate sex); and to the fact that one is still attracted to the less-attractive ones if no more-attractive ones are around.

Here's a related saying (this one, not from my father);
"When I was young, I was interested only in women who were young and pretty. Now I'm interested in all women who are young or pretty."

Now, why, you may be asking, is this "TC-able"?
Well.
Do your conpeople have girls?
Are men attracted to them?
Is there much to distinguish girls from males (or whatever)? That is, is "femininity" a factor?
What about youth -- is there a definite "reproductive age" or "child-bearing age" or "nubile age" for one sex (or the other), so that those younger or older than that are not as attractive to the other sex?
Is it maybe women who have something to say about boys, rather than men who have something to say about girls?
Or are very many of your conpeople neuter? Or hermaphroditic?
Or are there more than two sexes?
Or does your conculture have a lot of homosexuality in it?
Or maybe their reproductive strategy doesn't involve internal fertilization?
Or maybe they start out male, and at a certain age switch over to female? Or the other way around?
Or perhaps they are vampires, and "reproduce" -- that is, make more vampires -- by turning some of their prey/victims into vampires? In which case, they'd talk about what their standards were for choosing who to turn instead of just biting and leaving (a "one bite stand")? Or who to make a pet of instead of turning? Or who to kill instead of turning?

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Would your conculture(s) have a saying analogous to the one at the top of this post?
Could it be analogous to father-to-son advice in your conculture(s)?
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*Some girls are young and feminine and pretty;
and some girls are young and feminine;

and some girls are young.
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nearly all girls are young

Posted March 28th, 2009 by Fetus Commander
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When my father first told me that saying*, the point was that some girls, though young and feminine, are not so pretty; and that some are neither pretty nor feminine, but are, nevertheless, young.

So in RL the saying has to do with differing degrees of attractiveness of MOTAS (members of the appropriate sex); and to the fact that one is still attracted to the less-attractive ones if no more-attractive ones are around.

Here's a related saying (this one, not from my father);
"When I was young, I was interested only in women who were young and pretty. Now I'm interested in all women who are young or pretty."

Now, why, you may be asking, is this "TC-able"?
Well.
Do your conpeople have girls?
Are men attracted to them?
Is there much to distinguish girls from males (or whatever)? That is, is "femininity" a factor?
What about youth -- is there a definite "reproductive age" or "child-bearing age" or "nubile age" for one sex (or the other), so that those younger or older than that are not as attractive to the other sex?
Is it maybe women who have something to say about boys, rather than men who have something to say about girls?
Or are very many of your conpeople neuter? Or hermaphroditic?
Or are there more than two sexes?
Or does your conculture have a lot of homosexuality in it?
Or maybe their reproductive strategy doesn't involve internal fertilization?
Or maybe they start out male, and at a certain age switch over to female? Or the other way around?
Or perhaps they are vampires, and "reproduce" -- that is, make more vampires -- by turning some of their prey/victims into vampires? In which case, they'd talk about what their standards were for choosing who to turn instead of just biting and leaving (a "one bite stand")? Or who to make a pet of instead of turning? Or who to kill instead of turning?

*Some girls are young and feminine and pretty;
and some girls are young and feminine;

and some girls are young.

Posted March 28th, 2009 by chiarizio
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Oh i see, that's sort of what i thought

My answer basically translates to this:

On melkrin, people generally die young (a 35 year old human has probably sired several generations, and living that long is the product of rare life extension). Women in Agrarian countries have a slightly shorter lifespan because of multiple factors:

1. In Fuir-Nim, they're slaves. The great majority are poorly treated factory or labor slaves.

2. Religious violence against married women is condoned by the Church of Branogan McHawke, a dominant top-side Agrarian religion

3. Extreme examples of culturally-affirmed precocious puberty (which was proliferated rapidly in the past with various, haphazardly tested technologies), leading to a high rate of maternal deaths during pregnancy

I guess it's a double play too, since most heterosexual adults find members of the opposite sex attractive in their prime (which on melkrin is probably 7-12 years old, compared to our 17-25). This goes double true for women, since the state of biological adulthood where a male can dependably inseminate a female is a little later (maybe 9 or 10).

In most nations on earth, that's usually considered pedophilia, and it seems impossible to imagine how a society like that could be successful or productive by our terms. The answer is: it's not. People live pretty scarce by earth's standards, there's overpopulation, and "knowledge" (basic literacy, etc) is relatively low. But Agrafascist governments love this, because it's conducive to their dictatorial influence. There's a pretty literal reason why some governments, like those of Olgaeb and Quiet Home especially, earn reputations as 'nanny states.'

There's also a reason why countries with large homosexual populations, and smaller overall pops tend to do better infrastructure wise, and with systems of what we consider education: their lowered impulse to sire children early, and necessity of assisted breeding, places their priorities elsewhere.

Posted March 28th, 2009 by Fetus Commander
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where is a picture of pedobear when you need him

Posted March 28th, 2009 by Mr. Saturday
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where is a picture of pedobear when you need him


right hurr



Posted March 28th, 2009 by Fetus Commander
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Answering these questions for the Fae of Ess. (Name as always subject to change). In order to be irritating, I've provided as little explanation as possible.
Do your conpeople have girls?
Yes.
Are men attracted to them?
Yes.
Is there much to distinguish girls from males (or whatever)? That is, is "femininity" a factor?
Definitely. The definitive factor, in fact. Biological sex conforms to gender performance.
What about youth -- is there a definite "reproductive age" or "child-bearing age" or "nubile age" for one sex (or the other), so that those younger or older than that are not as attractive to the other sex?
Yes. After a certain age, for those of a fortunate disposition and social status, one is no longer are an attractive or unattractive girl---one is now a young gentleman. One dumps one's young children on the servants, claps one's former husband on the shoulder, and rides off, hopefully into battle.
Is it maybe women who have something to say about boys, rather than men who have something to say about girls?
Nope. Women don't get to say anything. Also, only a handful of individuals are male before the equivalent of their twenties.
Or are very many of your conpeople neuter? Or hermaphroditic?
No, not usually. Interesting things can happen to people who are transitioning between sexes with unusual rapidity, though.
Or are there more than two sexes?
No. Although there's a lot of middle ground between the two genders, generally genitalia, at least, are unambiguous.
Or does your conculture have a lot of homosexuality in it?
Homosexuality is considered exalted and noble, but it's difficult---usually in relationships that start out that way, one partner becomes dominant and male and the other, submissive and female.
Or maybe their reproductive strategy doesn't involve internal fertilization?
Not fertilization, but faking human sex is important for conception. See last question.
Or maybe they start out male, and at a certain age switch over to female? Or the other way around?
Usually the other way around, but if you're too low caste, you'll be female all your life, and if you're high-caste and lose status, you'll go from male to female. Some people fluctuate based on how their social lives are going, changing almost every month, but that's extreme.
Or perhaps they are vampires, and "reproduce" -- that is, make more vampires -- by turning some of their prey/victims into vampires? In which case, they'd talk about what their standards were for choosing who to turn instead of just biting and leaving (a "one bite stand")? Or who to make a pet of instead of turning? Or who to kill instead of turning?
At the equivalent of the cellular level, that's essentially how they reproduce. But at that level, thought isn't happening. Bodiless biology is masked by their simulation of human biology. Fae are masses of tiny supernatural entities, each of which reproduces by molding other entities of the same sort with its own 'genetic' features. To reproduce, Fae fake human sex to produce a burst of psychic energy. The energy's channeled into the mother's womb to start the growth of an embryo. The embryo is 'genetically' identical to her. Even if the father put some of his component entities into her, hers would shape his to be 'genetically' identical to themselves.
Any 'genetic' differences between mother and offspring will be due to the influence of Bodiless parasites attaching to it in its infancy, when its system is still malleable.

Posted March 29th, 2009 by lryda mbazha
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@FC, LM, et al;

Ooh.

:o :shock: :? :roll:

Well, you've certainly told us about your cultures, just as I asked -- Thanks.

But I'm so glad I live in ours, not theirs.

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Would either of them have a saying analogous to my OP?
Could it be analogous to father-to-son advice in your concultures?

Posted March 29th, 2009 by chiarizio
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If it was father-to-son advice in a nation where hetero behavior was condoned (like Quiet Home), it'd probably be something like:

"When given the opportunity to aim high, aim low. Otherwise, aim low."

And that definitely is as literal as it sounds. This is mostly true for older men who still lean towards heterosexual behavior (selecting older mates in their mid-20s is bad reproductive strategy, since they've probably received life extension contracts, and have thus turned towards bisexual non-reproductive sex, or pure homosexual activity, due their careers/status making more children a burden).

Women who survive this long might also think similarly, and would likely pass that on to their female children. Women living into their mid-20's, even in Quiet Home where the population is 80% female, would likely be an upper-class minority, and would have the contacts available to secure life extension for their children (though this would mean having fewer of them). At that point in old age though, this kind of saying would take on more of an air of sexual preference, as opposed to reproductive strategy

Posted March 29th, 2009 by Fetus Commander
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Why the living fuck do you cut life so short in your conworld?

Posted March 29th, 2009 by Mr. Saturday
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Melkrin's governments have arrangements that shuffle people through the cycle of life and death at optimum speeds, with "optimum" being the time that best satisfies the greatest number of their microorganism constituencies. Many of the oddities of Agrarian reproductive cycle are related to this.

It's basically a bunch of different microorganism corporations competing, in some cases with each other, and in more cases, with man. those that act on the dead after they go down, as well as those that break down any organic material, are generally special priorities, because their ability to stay "profitable" is literally tied to the renewal of the natural world. This type of reliance on microorganisms is called "Agrafascism," and that term also affects Cooperative Logic activities, because highly regimented and tampered-with government educational systems are facilitated by it; governments can easily set the pace of academic research, and monitor/adjust its trends when only those academics it currently requires for Co-Log are contracted for life extension.

In authoritarian countries, it helps codify social stratification, and reinforce State sponsored doctrine, like Fuir-Nim's dogma of male-male partnership. Slaves die young, masters get extensions to do government work.

The whole thing needs a lot of work and fleshing out, but that's the basic idea right now

Posted March 30th, 2009 by Fetus Commander
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