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"Scientific Theology" in your concultures?
Posted: Posted July 19th, 2007 by eldin raigmore
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See the thread in "Science" and put the "World"-forum appropriate responses here.


(I intend to at least start this thread as something appropriate for this forum; but depending on other people's answers it may turn out to be something that should be split.)

Some people on-board may be familiar with Phillipp Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy, of which the first book is "The Golden Compass". In that book there is a science called "experimental theology".

Some may also have read the various online sites you can find by looking for "the science of God".

Here's my question.
How much, scientifically, has actually been said about God?
What nearly-universally-accepted scientific evidence, based on reproducible experiments, exists which makes certain statements about God much more probable than improbable?
Can we deduce anything about God's psychology from observing the Universe?

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These questions may have different answers in your various conworlds than they do IRL.

For instance in Robert Sawyer's "Calculating God" it was discovered that:
  • God deliberately manipulated the creation of the universe to produce intelligent life.
  • God was a scientist.
  • God managed the course of the universe to have several intelligent species arrive at interstellar travel at about the same time.
  • God wanted offspring.
  • Certain unwanted things, such as cancer, were unavoidable side-effects of arranging the possibility of certain very-much-wanted things, such as God's having offspring.

    So if you want to split this thread into a part on Science, a part on Science Fiction and Magic, and a part on Culture, that's OK. But for now I want a reply in the Science forum.


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    The gods (and demons) in my world are real, and have physically manefested. This doesn't mean that much is known about them, just that they are indeed real. Many cultures have come to different conclusions about both groups. Some think there is a good/evil duality, others see order vs. chaos, some think that there is only one god of importance others have many.

    Posted July 19th, 2007 by bloodb4roses
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    The gods (and demons) in my world are real, and have physically manefested. This doesn't mean that much is known about them, just that they are indeed real. Many cultures have come to different conclusions about both groups. Some think there is a good/evil duality, others see order vs. chaos, some think that there is only one god of importance others have many.
    Very much like *here*, then? Has anyone there gotten the idea to systematically investigate?

    Posted July 19th, 2007 by eldin raigmore
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    The gods (and demons) in my world are real, and have physically manefested. This doesn't mean that much is known about them, just that they are indeed real. Many cultures have come to different conclusions about both groups. Some think there is a good/evil duality, others see order vs. chaos, some think that there is only one god of importance others have many.
    Very much like *here*, then? Has anyone there gotten the idea to systematically investigate?


    Well, the Paladin of Sartai have tried but they're biased toward Karuun, the Goddess of Light, and beings thought to be connected to her. Some other Paladin groups are a bit more open-minded about other gods, and most of these groups know some common ways of dispelling or fighting demons.

    However the same things that will annoy/bother/harm a demon will do the same to an angel, since those are demons who turned on their own kind. Not too many groups know that fact...

    Some Shamans in other races and species have direct contact with one or more god/demon, but may not know much about any of the others.

    Posted July 19th, 2007 by bloodb4roses
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    Thaumaturges are god-magi. There are two branches: The preist-magi, and the Experimental Thaumaturges. The first are accepted, the second are heretics of the highest order. Experimental Thaumaturges use magic to capture and use gods to their advantages. So far, only one god has been used this way, and this is only because he was rent into shreds by other gods. Alceton, the god of Rebellion, was rent into pieces by the other gods of his current pantheon. His heart was used, by the other gods, to imbue the Godking of Algebedon his deity. The other pieces were lost across the Mortal Lands, and these pieces can be used to manipulate reality itself, and even capture parts of other gods. Priest-magi do the gods bidding in order to gain strength from them; Experimental Thaumgaturges take from the gods as they please.

    EDIT: Also, pretty much anyone can contact a god. It's getting the gods to contact them that's the hardish bit.

    Posted July 20th, 2007 by Mr. Saturday
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    ...[other interesting stuff snipped]...Experimental Thaumaturges...[more interesting stuff snipped]...
    I like that. More?

    Posted July 23rd, 2007 by eldin raigmore
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    There are three "forces" in the Feylands, all affecting That-Which-Is. Physics, magic, and divinity each intertwine and affect sentient beings and the very landscape they live in, and each corresponds to a portion of the besouled creature. With each you can manipulate pretty much anything in That-Which-Is.

    Divinity, however, is the most powerful of these forces. Magic requires will and a soul, whereas divinity can be imbued into anything, even objects. Divinity has caused the most scars and the most beautiful things in That-Which-Is, from the twisted, boiling landscape of Logroth to the permanent beauty of the Garden of Eternal Spring.

    No mortal, however, can attain godhood if they do not have the ability inherent in their being, and those who have the ability are mostly unstable and dangerous. The only mortal to attain godhood is Nilhin Dimnai, Avatar of the Destroyer, and he was reduced to ash in a half-hour from the strain pure divinity placed on his body.

    However, divinity can be "attached" to a mortal body, making them virtually divine. This has been used in the case of the Godking of Algebedon, who wears the Shackle-Crown, which has a large portion of the Heart of Alceton mounted on it. Also worn are the Shackles of the Divine, and the Heart of Algebedon, which completes the Heart of Alceton, granting him a modicum of divinity. As such, he is included in the pantheon of the gods who granted him demi-deity, as well as still being their temporal ruler for as long as his now nearly immortal lifespan. He gains also all the strength of a god, and all of Alceton's powers. It is distortions like this that Experimental Thaumaturges want to exploit and control.

    Posted July 24th, 2007 by Mr. Saturday
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    The only mortal to attain godhood is Nilhin Dimnai, Avatar of the Destroyer, and he was reduced to ash in a half-hour from the strain pure divinity placed on his body.

    Couldn't he make himself a more durable body within that time?

    However, divinity can be "attached" to a mortal body, making them virtually divine. This has been used in the case of the Godking of Algebedon, who wears the Shackle-Crown, which has a large portion of the Heart of Alceton mounted on it. Also worn are the Shackles of the Divine, and the Heart of Algebedon, which completes the Heart of Alceton, granting him a modicum of divinity. As such, he is included in the pantheon of the gods who granted him demi-deity, as well as still being their temporal ruler for as long as his now nearly immortal lifespan. He gains also all the strength of a god, and all of Alceton's powers. It is distortions like this that Experimental Thaumaturges want to exploit and control.

    Would anything interesting happen if he were to reassemble to two parts of the Heart of Alceton?

    Posted July 25th, 2007 by simon.clarkstone
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    The only mortal to attain godhood is Nilhin Dimnai, Avatar of the Destroyer, and he was reduced to ash in a half-hour from the strain pure divinity placed on his body.

    Couldn't he make himself a more durable body within that time?


    The Destroyer cannot create.

    However, divinity can be "attached" to a mortal body, making them virtually divine. This has been used in the case of the Godking of Algebedon, who wears the Shackle-Crown, which has a large portion of the Heart of Alceton mounted on it. Also worn are the Shackles of the Divine, and the Heart of Algebedon, which completes the Heart of Alceton, granting him a modicum of divinity. As such, he is included in the pantheon of the gods who granted him demi-deity, as well as still being their temporal ruler for as long as his now nearly immortal lifespan. He gains also all the strength of a god, and all of Alceton's powers. It is distortions like this that Experimental Thaumaturges want to exploit and control.

    Would anything interesting happen if he were to reassemble to two parts of the Heart of Alceton?


    Well, he wears the entirety of the Heart, it's just all in pieces. If the whole of Alceton was reassembled, ... I actually have no idea what would happen. But it'd be absolutely fascinating, I assure you.

    There's actually a group of Chaotes trying to do such, as he is/was the god of Rebellion, and a group of Experimental Thaumaturges who want to distill the divinity from portions of Alceton in order to build an artificial deity, based on the technothurgy of golems, which are artificial shells to house souls.

    Posted July 25th, 2007 by Mr. Saturday
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    Is either Mr. Saturday or simon.clarkstone still with us?
    Does anyone else want to talk about "Scientific Theology" in their conworld?

    Posted December 31st, 2017 by chiarizio
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    Bump

    Posted August 15th, 2018 by chiarizio
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