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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

"Fear is the foundation of most governments." - John Adams

"Despite the constant negative press covfefe" - Donald Trump


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital.html
WASHINGTON — President Trump on Wednesday plans to formally recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, reversing nearly seven decades of American foreign policy and setting in motion a plan to move the United States Embassy from Tel Aviv to the fiercely contested Holy City.

Mr. Trump’s remarks will be the most closely scrutinized of his presidency on the Middle East, where he has vowed to broker the “ultimate deal” between Israelis and Palestinians but has yet to find a breakthrough to end the conflict.

The president’s recognition of Jerusalem, expected to be announced at 1 p.m., isolates the United States on one of the world’s most sensitive diplomatic issues. It has drawn a storm of criticism from Arab and European leaders, which swelled on Tuesday night after the White House confirmed Mr. Trump’s plans.

Pope Francis and the Chinese foreign ministry joined the chorus of voices warning that the move could unleash a wave of violence across the region. At a meeting in Brussels, Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson was sternly reproached by European allies.

Standing next to Mr. Tillerson, the European Union’s top diplomat, Federica Mogherini, made clear that Europe saw the president’s announcement as a threat to peace in the Middle East.

“We believe that any action that would undermine these efforts must absolutely be avoided,” she said. “A way must be found through negotiations to resolve the status of Jerusalem as a future capital of both states.”

Just hours before Mr. Trump was expected to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel, Mr. Tillerson said that peace in the Middle East was still possible.

Mr. Tillerson, during a news conference at NATO headquarters in the heart of Europe, said that he did not want to pre-empt the president’s official announcement, but expressed reassurances about the expected consequences of the decision.

“The president’s very committed to the Middle East peace process,” Mr. Tillerson said.

Mr. Tillerson has been largely shut out of the usual back-and-forth between Israelis and Palestinians that many secretaries of state spent much of their tenures conducting. Instead, Mr. Trump entrusted that task to his son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner.

At least one former Obama administration official also weighed in with sharp criticism. John O. Brennan, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, said in a statement that Mr. Trump’s action was “reckless” and would “damage U.S. interests in the Middle East for years to come and will make the region more volatile.”

Administration officials said they expected the blowback from the Palestinians and others, but they asserted that the move would accelerate, not hinder, the peace process.

Mr. Trump promised to move the embassy during the 2016 presidential campaign, a position that appealed to evangelical voters and pro-Israel American Jews, including Sheldon Adelson, the Las Vegas casino magnate. By delivering on that promise, Mr. Trump’s aides said, he was enhancing his credibility as a peacemaker.

The announcement, officials said, was recognition of current and historic reality. West Jerusalem is the seat of Israel’s government, and recognizing it as such would remove ambiguity from the American position, they said.

The process of moving the embassy to Jerusalem will take several years, they noted. As a result, the president plans to sign a national security waiver that allows the administration to keep it in Tel Aviv for an additional six months.

Jerusalem is one of the world’s most fiercely contested swaths of real estate, with each side disputing the other’s claims. Palestinians view East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state, and most of the world considers it occupied territory. Jerusalem’s Old City has the third-holiest mosque in Islam and the holiest site in Judaism, making the city’s status a sensitive issue for Muslims and Jews alike.

Mr. Trump, these officials said, would make clear that the United States was not taking a position on whether, or how, Jerusalem would be divided between Israel and the Palestinians. Nor will he take a position on a disputed area of the Old City, known as the Temple Mount to Jews and the Noble Sanctuary to Muslims, which has been a flash point for tensions.

Mr. Kushner and Jason D. Greenblatt, the president’s special envoy, have been working for months to prepare for a negotiation between Israelis and Palestinians. Though they have little to show for the effort publicly, they say they have made progress behind the scenes.

Those efforts, Middle East experts said, will be jeopardized by Wednesday’s announcement. But Mr. Kushner and Mr. Greenblatt, the president’s special envoy, supported the president’s move, officials said.


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How do Evangelicals not suspect Trump is the antichrist ushering in the end times?

Also lol @ his antisemitic alt-right supporters.

Posted December 6th by pacman
pacman
 

If anyone can broker a deal between them it's Trump. Gotta be able to make bold moves like this one to carry it out.

Posted December 6th by Xhin
Xhin
 

Don’t tell me you’re STILL willfully naive about Trump’s “deal making”, Xhin.

Posted December 6th by pacman
pacman
 

Good.

Jerusalem has been Israel's capital ever since 1967, when Israel's neighbours tried to wipe the Jewish state off the face of the Earth, and lost. Boundaries change during war, and Jordan lost Jerusalem in its offensive against Israel.

Israel's claim to the city is both historical - as the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people - and based on the right of Israel to occupy territory being used to launch acts of aggression against it.

Unfortunately, this will be used as a pretext for a wave of Islamist aggression against innocent people, who can not stand the thought of Jewish dominance in the region.

Also lol @ his antisemitic alt-right supporters.

I'm interested to see how people like #85 square this. And how all those lefties who called Trump an "anti-Semite" square this too.

It's quite clear that Trump is certainly not an anti-Semite of any kind.

Edited December 6th by Smiling Apple
Smiling Apple

It's quite clear that Trump is certainly not an anti-Semite of any kind.


It doesnt really help that he hasnt called out his anti-semite supporters...

Posted December 6th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Israel is the most evil country in the entire world. A blind eye is turned to their violation of international law because, well, they are Jews and criticizing them means you are want to gas 6 gorillion.

Personally, I don't care about this. Even if a war was started between neighboring countries and Israel. I just hope the United States doesn't get dragged into another Jew war for Israel.



Posted December 6th by #85
#85

85

We mostly agree. My only question is, why would Trump do this if he had no intention of further involvement in the region? Seems to me like it’s just begging for a giant global war between the West and Islam like Smiling wants.

Posted December 6th by pacman
pacman
 

Israel's claim to the city is both historical - as the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people

Hahahahaha imagine thinking semi white looking people originate in a homeland of real semetic people who all have brown skin.

and based on the right of Israel to occupy territory being used to launch acts of aggression against it.

International law says land seized through conquest isn't valid. Not sure why some want to grant a free pass to Jews (it's equivalent to SJW virtue signaling)

Unfortunately, this will be used as a pretext for a wave of Islamist aggression against innocent people, who can not stand the thought of Jewish dominance in the region.

What if I told you that both religions are violent and supremacist?

Have you read what the Talmud says about non-Jews? That they are "the chosen ones" (that doesn't sound supremacist or anything) and that all non Jews are nothing more than cattle meant to be enslaved by and serve the Jews. That is an actual quote too, and there are dozens more horrifying quotes about these chosenites.

Posted December 6th by #85
#85

We mostly agree. My only question is, why would Trump do this if he had no intention of further involvement in the region? Seems to me like it’s just begging for a giant global war between the West and Islam like Smiling wants.

Well, Trump admittedly has a lot of Jews in his cabinet. So it's no surprise we see Israel-First type policies rather than America First. Though I'm not so sure thats what Smiling wants, I think thats what Islam itself wants. Their book says kill the unbelievers. Their goal is a worldwide Islamic caliphate. If you are some big proponent of equality, womens rights, LGBT rights, and general "progressive" policies all of these are the opposite of what these muzzies want. They want nothing short of a radical theocracy. Pay the jizya tax, dhimmi.

Edited December 6th by #85
#85

International law says land seized through conquest isn't valid.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but you do have a basic understanding of America and the West, right?

Also what is your opinion on Putin taking Crimea? I have mixed feelings.

Have you read what the Talmud says about non-Jews? That they are "the chosen ones" (that doesn't sound supremacist or anything) and that all non Jews are nothing more than cattle meant to be enslaved by and serve the Jews. That is an actual quote too, and there are dozens more horrifying quotes about these chosenites.

Most Orthodox Jews are at least as racist and intolerant as neo-Nazis, yet they are seldom called out on their hypcorisy when they cry “antisemitism” every five seconds. It’s sickening.

On a side note, why can’t they just fucking share Jerusalem? The entire conflict reminds me of viscerally possessive toddlers fighting over a toy. Fuck religion and politics.



Posted December 6th by pacman
pacman
 

If you are some big proponent of equality, womens rights, LGBT rights, and general "progressive" policies all of these are the opposite of what these muzzies want

yeah progressive policies are incompatible for all 3 major religions.

Posted December 6th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

I don’t necessarily disagree, but you do have a basic understanding of America and the West, right?

I'm not necessarily against the conquest of land. My point was these globalists aren't playing by their own rules. And yes I have a great understanding that the land was forfeited to us by France, Spain, Mexico, and the United Kingdom. I certainly feel not a shred of guilt that the savage nomadic people who inhabited the land prior to Europeans (and also themselves immigrated) had "their land" taken.

Also what is your opinion on Putin taking Crimea? I have mixed feelings.

While I generally support Putin, I support the Ukrainian nationalists right to self determination. It seems the west (John McCain and other establishment figures) and Putin were using the people as a proxy war and trying to instill their puppets, which is unfortunate for the Ukrainian people as a whole. It's a very complicated issue.

Most Orthodox Jews are at least as racist and intolerant as neo-Nazis, yet they are seldom called out on their hypcorisy when they cry “antisemitism” every five seconds. It’s sickening

"The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you". Ever hear that one before? I don't think it could be any more accurate.

On a side note, why can’t they just fucking share Jerusalem? The entire conflict reminds me of viscerally possessive toddlers fighting over a toy. Fuck religion and politics.

Because forcing opposing sides together is always a formula for chaos. Give people freedom of association. Would you honestly want to live around some radical Islamists? Some neo-nazis? Etc.

And religion has given us more culture and technological advancement than anything else, despite people highlighting its negatives.

yeah progressive policies are incompatible for all 3 major religions.

The "Christian" strikes again.

Posted December 6th by #85
#85

The "Christian" strikes again.


Am I wrong? You call your self a "Christian" and hate any one who doesnt fit your worldview.

Posted December 6th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Am I wrong? You call your self a "Christian" and hate any one who doesnt fit your worldview.

No you aren't wrong. Those things don't belong and aren't compatible in this Christian nation.

Posted December 6th by #85
#85

And Jesus Christ would beg to differ.

Posted December 6th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

I don't think the guy that flipped over the tables of the money changers would be ok with tranny freaks grooming young children.

Posted December 6th by #85
#85

whose grooming young children?


I dont think he would be okay with Donald "grab them by the pussy" Trump or Mike "Torture them till they are straight" Pence. Or even you for that matter.



Posted December 6th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Uh it wants to download to my computer. Better fix it before I get some one to tag it.

Posted December 6th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

The link is not a problem. Just pointing to a download of the video instead of the webviewer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NROU7K5kpEU
EDIT: you embed YT videos by taking the full URL as above and putting it in [youtube][/youtube]

Edited December 6th by nullfather
nullfather

Yeah its doing the same for me too. Go ahead and tag it. Embed has never worked correctly for me in a long time. Must be some new way to do it I'm not aware of.

Let me try it one more time without using embed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOFkVZQ8etE
Title of Video "NY Library Brings Drag Queens to Kids Story Hour"
By : Associated Press
Length 2:15

Might have to manually search if that link d Doesn't work. This link is a more full story than the snippet above, too.

Edited December 6th by #85
#85

We mostly agree.

Agreeing with a neo-Nazi ought to give you cause to reconsider your position.

Hahahahaha imagine thinking semi white looking people originate in a homeland of real semetic people who all have brown skin.

Seriously?

Where do you think all those brown-skinned people came from? The Arabs are not native to the region. They obtained it through conquest.

And where on earth do you believe the Jews originated from if not the land of Israel? Where do all the references to Israel in the Talmud come from?

International law says land seized through conquest isn't valid. Not sure why some want to grant a free pass to Jews (it's equivalent to SJW virtue signaling)

I don't give a shit about international law. I care about what's right and what's wrong. Every piece of territory seized by Israel was territory used to launch acts of aggression against it. It has a right to that territory irrespective of its historical claim to the land (which is absolute).

What if I told you that both religions are violent and supremacist?

Supremacist? Absolutely. The Talmud undoubtedly states that the Jews are the chosen people. That's why Jewish communities typically isolate themselves.

But the Jews have historically been non-violent. Even Israel, beset with enemies on all sides, has demonstrated remarkable restraint given the circumstances. It has made numerous concessions and conceded land to its enemies in return for indiscriminate acts of violence on a daily basis.

Jews built Israel. It was a squalid desert before they showed up. On the other hand, Islam has built nothing and pursued violence to the exclusion of all else. That's why the Arabs are living in their own shit - because Arab culture would rather sacrifice its own children on the altar of war than build a productive society.

There is a very clear distinction between Judaism and Islam. There is a reason why Israel is a beacon of democracy, tolerance and productivity in a region characterised by conflict and poverty.

On a side note, why can’t they just fucking share Jerusalem?

This was Israeli policy for decades. As was returning the West Bank to the Palestinians. It became impossible because of the relentless attacks against Israel.

Posted December 6th by Smiling Apple
Smiling Apple

That's why the Arabs are living in their own shit - because Arab culture would rather sacrifice its own children on the altar of war than build a productive society.


I'm no middle eastern historian but didn't we fuck over iran and made it the shit hole it is today?


Posted December 6th by S.omh.
S.omh.
 

I'm no middle eastern historian but didn't we fuck over iran and made it the shit hole it is today?

No, that was the Islamic revolution that did that.

But what does Iran have to do with the Arab world? Iranians are not Arabs.

Posted December 6th by Smiling Apple
Smiling Apple

Agreeing with a neo-Nazi ought to give you cause to reconsider your position.

Broken clock is still right twice a day.

In any case, you are in agreement with him far more than I am. By your logic, why not reconsider your own positions where you overlap with 85?

This was Israeli policy for decades. As was returning the West Bank to the Palestinians. It became impossible because of the relentless attacks against Israel.

Source? Iirc most Israeli governments since 1967 have been against dividing Jerusalem. Netanyahu certainly doesn’t want to share.



Posted December 6th by pacman
pacman
 

But the Jews have historically been non-violent. Even Israel, beset with enemies on all sides, has demonstrated remarkable restraint given the circumstances. It has made numerous concessions and conceded land to its enemies in return for indiscriminate acts of violence on a daily basis.

What do you think of Ayelet Shaked’s call for Palestinian genocide?

There is a reason why Israel is a beacon of democracy, tolerance and productivity in a region characterised by conflict and poverty.

Except when they treat Palestinians like second class citizens and continue grabbing land and make America its bitch boy. Other than that it’s a great humane country.


Posted December 6th by pacman
pacman
 

Agreeing with a neo-Nazi ought to give you cause to reconsider your position.

Well perhaps you should take a more Sadiq Khan type stance on Islam, because we agree on that too ;)

Where do you think all those brown-skinned people came from? The Arabs are not native to the region. They obtained it through conquest.

You tell me where these brown skinned people come from. Every inhabitant of that region is browned skinned. Yet these white skinned Jews are native to the region? Do you honestly believe that? When this alleged brown conquest happen? So was everyone there white skinned prior to some brown people moving in? Walk me through the history.

I don't give a shit about international law. I care about what's right and what's wrong. Every piece of territory seized by Israel was territory used to launch acts of aggression against it. It has a right to that territory irrespective of its historical claim to the land (which is absolute).

Why is all Israeli aggression overlooked/ignored? There are plenty . The Lavon affair and the USS Liberty attack are two big events that come to mind. How can they be considered an ally after that? Jews are a distinct group with different (and often conflicting) interests with European peoples.

Supremacist? Absolutely. The Talmud undoubtedly states that the Jews are the chosen people. That's why Jewish communities typically isolate themselves.

Well no response to the "enslave the goyim who are nothing but cattle" but this is a start.

Jews built Israel. It was a squalid desert before they showed up. On the other hand, Islam has built nothing and pursued violence to the exclusion of all else. That's why the Arabs are living in their own shit - because Arab culture would rather sacrifice its own children on the altar of war than build a productive society.

Jews didn't build Israel. Western countries tax dollars in foreign aid built Israel. The fact that Arab countries are shitholes doesn't mean anything in regards to Jews being good. This sounds like a "lesser evil" type argument.

There is a very clear distinction between Judaism and Islam. There is a reason why Israel is a beacon of democracy, tolerance and productivity in a region characterised by conflict and poverty.

How about this. Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet, while the Jewish Talmud says "jesus christ is forever boiling in a pot of shit in hell". Also a "beacon of Democracy"? From day one they were founded on oppression and genocide and continue to be so (research some of their early Prime ministers involvement in massacring civilian towns of women and children).

The jews have a term for these people. "Shabbos goy". This was a non Jew who conducted business for the Jews on the Sabbath, their day of this rest. The term is now used by many to describe non Jews who basically shill for Jews.

It is funny learning the terms that these Jews have to insult us. Another big term is "shiksa". It is a term for a non Jewish women which means "whore". They view all non Jewish women as whores. We see this played out in the form of Jews in high areas of entertainment and other industrys defiling non Jewish women and sexually assaulting them.

To consider these outliers is a lack of understanding about who these people are.

Posted December 6th by #85
#85

could have sworn Iran was a part of the list. My mistake.

Posted December 6th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

It’s unfortunate that the anti-religious “New Atheists” didn’t do much to expose the dark side of Judaism as a religion. While I don’t believe there is a mass conspiracy involving all Jews or that the Holocaust was fake (hell, I have deep respect for most Jewish communities for reasons I’ve discussed several times on this site), 85 is completely right about the views of more hardcore Orthodox Jews. It’s some really evil shit.

Posted December 6th by pacman
pacman
 

While I don’t believe there is a mass conspiracy involving all Jews or that the Holocaust was fake

One cannot argue that a population that makes up 2% holds disproportionate amounts of power in every important industry. And the real Holocaust was Holodomor which was commited by Communist Jews (most of the Soviet police were Jews) against Ukrainian Christians.

Posted December 6th by #85
#85

People are more willing to generalize Jews than it would seem.

It's important to remember that what Israel does, does not reflect Jews on the whole (or even close to the whole imo).

As for the religious fundamentalists/extremists it's almost always bad anyway so saying it's bad with religious Jews is not saying much.

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

BTW just to be clear not accusing anyone of generalizing Jews. Well except #85 of course because he makes it rather clear and wants it to be clear that he does.

Posted December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

"Agreeing with neo-Nazi ought to give you cause to reconsider your position"

man this is why SA is my favorite right winger on this site

EDIT: wow, freudian slip, i should stop posting when i'm half awake wtf

Edited December 6th by poptart!
poptart!
 

You have changed and I hate you Knokkel

Posted December 6th by Red Army
Red Army
 

Okay

Edited December 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I certainly feel not a shred of guilt that the savage nomadic people who inhabited the land prior to Europeans

Actually there was widespread agriculture and land development in the Americas prior to European arrival. The Continental US had a lingua Franca, Mexico and below had entire giant civilizations, and the Eastern side was so well organized that our representative government was partially based on it.

Had the Europeans not brought in plagues they wouldn't have been able to conquer it -- the Vikings tried long before anyone else did and could only colonize sparse regions.

Posted December 6th by Xhin
Xhin
 

And where on earth do you believe the Jews originated from if not the land of Israel? Where do all the references to Israel in the Talmud come from?

The problem is that the askenazi Jews are very definitely white and are descended from Jewish *converts* hundreds of years ago... Whereas the actual Jewish race is brown-skinned and kind of indistinguishable from the other ethnic groups in the region.

For hundreds of years, the brown-skinned Jews peacefully coexisted in Palestine with the Arabs.. they still do in other arab-centric countries. Then the white Jews (descended from converts and a few drops of Brown Jew, remember) decided to form a Zionist state there and immigrate there en masse. All of Israel's land was achieved through conquest, the UN recognizing the conquest, and more conquest on top of that.

Posted December 6th by Xhin
Xhin
 

Basically the Israelis are nothing more than yet another European conquest of someone else's land.

Posted December 6th by Xhin
Xhin
 

Xhin is woke on this. The "white skinned" Jews aren't European in origin, though, remember.

Actually there was widespread agriculture and land development in the Americas prior to European arrival. The Continental US had a lingua Franca, Mexico and below had entire giant civilizations, and the Eastern side was so well organized that our representative government was partially based on it.

True to a small extent, but to a larger extent in the North American continent, especially regarding plains Indians, they were nomadic. It was the European that brought the horse to the continent so it was a much harder time before that.

Had the Europeans not brought in plagues they wouldn't have been able to conquer it -- the Vikings tried long before anyone else did and could only colonize sparse regions.

Speculation. Indians were hardly a united front.


Posted December 6th by #85
#85

Speculation. Indians were hardly a united front.


There is evidence indicating that they had united against common enemies in the past. I believe that Historian Francis Jennings highlights that before the arrival of the white man the Indians had recently fought in a rather large and devastating war. Whose outcome cost millions of lives due to the consequences of that war.


Any who 85 what are your thoughts on the World Ice Theory?

Posted December 7th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

If Israel says its capital is Jerusalem then its capital is Jerusalem, but it's nice that the United States has finally deigned to show a modicum of moral courage on the matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act#Developments
We were, among other things, legally obligated to do this. I'm glad its happening, and will for once withhold any qualifying remarks about how much I still don't like the Trump presidency, because clearly the twenty two year delay falls squarely at the feet of the various other cowards we've put in office.

Posted December 7th by Famov
Famov

True to a small extent, but to a larger extent in the North American continent, especially regarding plains Indians, they were nomadic. It was the European that brought the horse to the continent so it was a much harder time before that.


If im not mistaken they were also Nomadic because they understood the soil could be exhausted and relying on it solely for agricultural purposes could fuck them in the ass. In addition to that we still utilize a lot of their agricultural processes such as forest burnings (theres an actual word for this) among other things. The Natives especially those on the North East understood that messing with the land would cause grave consequences for them. Thats why they chose to only eat as much as they needed. Food was plentiful no need to be greedy.

I really recommend the book Changes in the Land by WIlliam Cronon. He does a great job comparing the natives and the europeans and how they changed the land.

Not entirely sure how we got here but good discussion nonetheless

Edited December 7th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

I certainly feel not a shred of guilt that the savage nomadic people who inhabited the land prior to Europeans


Savage? by whose standards? Yours? how were they savage?

Posted December 7th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Jerusalem has been Israel's capital ever since 1967, when Israel's neighbours tried to wipe the Jewish state off the face of the Earth, and lost. Boundaries change during war, and Jordan lost Jerusalem in its offensive against Israel.

Look, I have nothing against Israel's right to exist... But are you really going to turn a blind eye on the war crimes that the government of Israel has committed against the Palestinians? Taking their homes by force, killing them in masse, and claiming Hamas started it and justifying it. I don't support terrorism on either side, but retaliation from Palestine/Hamas was created because of Israel's treatment to Palestinians. They have a right to ddefend themselves from invaders. I wish they both came to a peace agreement, but I can't see Israel integrating Palestians as normal citizens with equal rights.. Or at least until they wipe out Palestine from the map by seizing all their land and kicking them out illegally.
The damage has been done, and I don't know if it can ever really be repaired.

Also, how do you justify Americans spending billions of dollars funneling Israel? The don't need it, they are far from a developing country, and they give nothing back to us.

It's quite clear that Trump is certainly not an anti-Semite of any kind.

Maybe. Maybe not. He cares more about supporting the rich, so he follows the money.

Edited December 7th by ShadowFox08
ShadowFox08

It is funny learning the terms that these Jews have to insult us. Another big term is "shiksa". It is a term for a non Jewish women which means "whore". They view all non Jewish women as whores. We see this played out in the form of Jews in high areas of entertainment and other industrys defiling non Jewish women and sexually assaulting them.

To be fair, pretty much every culture has derogatory words for outsiders. So long we separate ourselves, this will happen until the end of us.



Jews didn't build Israel. Western countries tax dollars in foreign aid built Israel. The fact that Arab countries are shitholes doesn't mean anything in regards to Jews being good. This sounds like a "lesser evil" type argument.

Agreed.. Western countries built Israel, and we still keep funding them.. For what? So much money on defense and training them.. They're not going to war anytime soon, and nobody is calling out for their war crimes because there's $$$ involved for the politicians. It's disgusting they can't do the right thing.

One cannot argue that a population that makes up 2% holds disproportionate amounts of power in every important industry. And the real Holocaust was Holodomor which was commited by Communist Jews (most of the Soviet police were Jews) against Ukrainian Christians.

I do find it highly disturbing that a minority of Jewish elites have essentially complete control of America's finances, government, and hollywood. I have no doubt there's ties to Israel. Really weird to see a disproportionately high number of actors being Jewish over any other ethnicity/religion. That being said, I have nothing against Jews as a people. Just zionism.



Posted December 7th by ShadowFox08
ShadowFox08

I really, really hope this doesn't lead to Saudi Arabia and Israel attacking Lebanon and Iran.

The subtext between these weapons deals and diplomatic recognition of Jerusalem seems to be signaling from Trump that he wants them to do our dirty work. But we'll get involved anyway.

Posted December 7th by Agis
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