__BACK__



I just saw the trailer for Far Cry 5 on my nephew's (18 or so) facebook.

Amazing graphics.

Set in America, first time ever for Far Cry (never actually played one myself).

In addition to shooting, you can have dogfights with planes online, and even use a wheat thresher to completely massacre the "Evil Cult" that you're fighting against in the game.

Maybe I'm old, but has it gotten to the point where these video games are becoming both really violent and really realistic? This has been a criticism of video games for years, but with frequent shootings that seem reminiscent of GTA rampages, and increasing politicization of media, does anybody else get at least a little bit anxious about it?

settingsOptions
There are 65 Replies

It always bugs me that people often complain about video games being too violent, yet very seldom do we hear people say the same about tv or movies. Why is it shows like TWD and GOT can get as violent as they want and nobody bats an eye, yet people will often blame games such as the GTA franchise as the inspiration for whatever mass shooting happened recently? Movies are even worse since they have a much larger budget and aren't bound by the same restrictions as tv shows. The Saw franchise and Kill Bill vol 1 are prime examples of this. To answer your question, no. No I don't think video games are becoming too realistic.

Posted December 5th by -Riku-
-Riku-
 

"Why is it shows like TWD and GOT can get as violent as they want and nobody bats an eye, yet people will often blame games such as the GTA franchise as the inspiration for whatever mass shooting happened recently?"

One could argue that with a TV show or movie you are merely watching the violence where as with video games you are committing and participating in the violence. Also, movies and TV shows use to be complained about when it came to violence, but video games starting drawing attention from them because of their popularity. You can probably blame Mortal Kombat for this.

But I still agree with your main point that people tend to beat up video games more than other media.

Edited December 5th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

Movies and TV are inherently third person and consumption is passive.

Especially with the advent of VR, I think the line between video game and shooting simulator is going to continue to be blurred.

Posted December 5th by Agis
Agis
 

Hell video games have always been violent. Mario has been killing turtles for decades and he intentionally hurt a gorilla in 1981. People should have more respect for gorillas especially Harambe.

Just because video games are violent, they don't make people violent (in the vast majority of places).

Some people are just violent in general because they have had a rough upbringing in rough council estate areas and have had too many drugs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdY4FtSNCW8




http://www.youtube.com/v/UdY4FtSNCW8
Edited December 5th by Welsh_Gamer
Welsh_Gamer
 

"Hell video games have always been violent. Mario has been killing turtles for decades and he intentionally hurt a gorilla in 1981. People should have more respect for gorillas especially Harambe. "

Fun Fact: Harambe's last name was Kong. Donkey Kong was his Uncle. True story.

Edited December 5th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

Just because video games are violent, they don't make people violent (in the vast majority of places).

It's not just about whether or not they make people violent.

It's also that it could quite possibly make them more capable of mass shootings; in games like GTA, after all, one of the fun things is to do as much damage before you're inevitably killed.

Posted December 5th by Agis
Agis
 

A few thoughts:

The interactive nature of video games makes it fundamentally different than more "passive" mediums like film or television. There are a lot of crossover elements to all of these, of course, but a big difference is how film and television has a single creative vision (usually) that displays something on screen with the intention of making the consumer feel a particular way. Games want the consumer to feel a certain way through interaction. Beating a boss is satisfying (usually) because *you did it* (praise the sun!) The impacts of these mediums are often different, even if slightly. The interactivity of games cannot be completely dismissed.

That said, there's not much evidence to suggest violence in any medium makes people more capable of committing real world violence, though. If anything, I might make the opposite. Video games have always been violent overall, and the graphics have continued to improve. And while mass shootings are a problem in the country and are always in the news, violent crime rates in the United States largely declined or stagnated during this time. There were thousands more murders per year, in the 1970s and '80s, for example. And per 100,000 residents, violent crime rates dropped pretty sharply from the early '90s to today. (2016 is a bit of an outlier on the chart, but I don't think one exception here proves anything, other than that violence occurs for many reasons.) I'm not one to dismiss the impact of media on people, but I think it's pretty safe to say that violence in media has not really had the kind of impact many like to suggest it has.


And then with *that* said, I wouldn't disagree that video games have a bit of a violence problem in the sense that it can be harder to find a video game not centered around violence than it is a movie or television show. I haven't seen any convincing evidence or arguments that video games make people more likely to commit violent crime, and to me, it makes sense. But I also see that if you're not looking for something violent, it's a lot easier to find a movie or show not centered around violence than it would be to find a video game. Violence is just an easy thing to incorporate to games. But if you can't tell the difference between committing acts of violence upon a computer-generate person and a real life person, video games or movies aren't the problem. You need access to quality mental health care, not someone removing your XBox.

Edited December 5th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

The realism in games as of late has bothered me somewhat too, but it's not really the violence mostly that worries me personally. It may not sound like a big deal and I won't go into details because ignorance is bliss but as someone who's been in the modding scenes enough in the past (and as you said especially with VR being a big deal now) I have to wonder, will there ever be a point where there is something that is NOT okay in a video game? It seems like the answer is definitely no from what apparently exists. And adding more realism to it just seems extra weird. Mods aren't really needed to make worrisome stuff but they definitely open the gateway to far worse things as well. Including things I have no doubt members of this forum would turn around and be fully against.

I'm somewhat conflicted on this though because on one hand I do believe video games regardless of the content are a far cry from reality and I'm very much for video game freedom but on the other quite a bit of things I know of irk me.

Also realism in games just sometimes gives me a weird feeling like... we're really at this point already huh?

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

It always bugs me that people often complain about video games being too violent, yet very seldom do we hear people say the same about tv or movies.

i agree 100%

Posted December 5th by Brandy
Brandy

Mods aren't really needed to make worrisome stuff but they definitely open the gateway to far worse things as well. Including things I have no doubt members of this forum would turn around and be fully against.


f u l l y m o d e l e d v a g i n a

Posted December 5th by nullfather
nullfather

Far far beyond that.

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

It always bugs me that people often complain about video games being too violent, yet very seldom do we hear people say the same about tv or movies.


I'll just take a moment to put it out there that people veeeeery much do complain about violence in movies. If you don't work at a theater, you might not hear it much these days. And that would be because a lot of that conversation happened decades ago. We tend to forget that video games are still relatively new as a form of media. But things like the MPAA, RIAA, and CCA were created to self-regulate cinema, music, and comics respectively, explicitly because the "these things are harmful and make kids crazy and dangerous!" was leading up to government regulation. That stuff happened decades ago, and it took decades to get out of that. I actually think we hear less about games "causing violence" today than we did ten years ago, even. (It still gets brought up because most in the news are older and have no clue, just like they had no clue about comics or movies really in the 1950s because the mediums were still pretty new. And as more generations came up with them, and with more understanding, that conversation started dying down.)

Posted December 5th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

the content are a far cry from reality


I see what you did there!

Posted December 5th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I have to wonder, will there ever be a point where there is something that is NOT okay in a video game

Could you imagine a video game that let you rape people?

Posted December 5th by Agis
Agis
 

I see what you did there!


Yep!

Could you imagine a video game that let you rape people?


I don't have to. Aside from things like mods and other lesser known games that already exist, rapelay was rather infamous for that. Making gaming news sites even.

But it actually can get even worse than that apparently.

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Also remember when hackers could make it so they could force their own player model onto other player models sexually? Apparently that can still happen judging by a google search and a recent youtube video.

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Also remember when hackers could make it so they could force their own player model onto other player models sexually?


I even remember a couple of games where you could violently kill other people's characters.

Posted December 5th by nullfather
nullfather

I even remember a couple of games where you could violently kill other people's characters.


Come on now. It may just be a game but if someone else is playing as one of those characters you should be able to figure out why it can be more traumatic for them than violence.

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

ESPECIALLY when you know, you're playing a game where violence is more than expected. Virtual rape however, is not expected.

Posted December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Virtual rape not being as expected as virtual killing is not an excuse for the problem, but a symptom of it.

Simulated killing is treated with such unbelievably open acceptance and even fetishism while something like simulated rape (or even consensual sexual activity) is insanely stigmatized, despite the fact that both rape and killing are both incredibly psychologically-damaging interpersonal actions.

Posted December 5th by nullfather
nullfather

Better call the police on all the people that t-bag in halo...

Posted December 5th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

Better call the police on all the people that t-bag in halo...


That's rather different and you would know it if you actually saw a video on it. It's full-on sex. Regardless of how silly it may look. There are female players with representations of themselves playing that you know.

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Also Null why are you making excuses for virtual rape? And I don't care if that's not what you meant to say because it is effectively what you are doing. The fact that we view violence in video games the way we do does not make it any less unacceptable, nor does it make the impact any less significant especially when it is not expected.

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Also no one even said anything about the police. But of course, the right-wing sjws come out again not realizing their own hypocrisy.

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Lol, just to be clear.... are you calling me a right wing SJW?

Posted December 5th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

Yes. Don't read into it too much though, I'm just spewing buzzwords because I know actual serious conversation isn't very likely to happen anyway and it will just be a case of "I'm right, no I'm right".

Posted December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

making excuses for virtual rape




Posted December 5th by nullfather
nullfather

What was the point of your post then? What other effect could it possibly have? Are you trying to say that violence should also be frowned upon in video games? Because that isn't you AT ALL. So what else is the natural conclusion of your logic in comparing the 2 things here?

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Can you chill out Knokkel?

Posted December 5th by Agis
Agis
 

Can you chill out Knokkel?


Can you stop tolerating his subtle shit? It's obvious what he's actually trying to do because I've actually known him for years outside of GT unlike you. You do NOT have any ground to speak on this matter that I do not have in comparison.

"Chilling out" is essentially the same as disregarding the problem at hand. Unless you can convince me otherwise? Go on then. Try to give me a good reason why I SHOULD "chill out". Keep in mind though, "chill out" implies I am upset at the moment, which I'm not.

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

If "chilling out" means staying silent about it and other things you will have to ban me first.

Posted December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

No one made excuses for rape in video games. All that was said is that it's way less acceptable for sexual violence to be in a game opposed to beating someone to death with a bat. He said both are terrible things. Nothing here, move along.

Posted December 5th by Vandy
Vandy

Like I already said

I don't care if that's not what you meant to say because it is effectively what you are doing


Also he doesn't believe both are terrible things. You do realize this right? So what you are saying doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Explain that.

Edited December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Also he doesn't believe both are terrible things.


Why are you lying about me?

Posted December 5th by nullfather
nullfather

Why are you lying about me?


I'm not. You legitimately believe that violence in video games is okay. We have been over this before. We both have played and enjoyed rather violent games. To say you think it's a terrible thing is the most absurd thing I heard all day.

Posted December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I'm not. You legitimately believe that violence in video games is okay.


Vandy is correct; both are terrible things. However, depictions of terrible things are not terrible things themselves.

What I was pointing out was that rape and killing are treated very differently in their depictions and normalization...do you plan on talking about that point, or just telling people that I'm somehow trying to "make excuses for virtual rape", which is a claim with significantly more intellectual convolutions than anything that I actually said.

Edited December 6th by nullfather
nullfather

So I'm to believe you were saying both are terrible things IRL but you were making a comparison right when the trauma of rape was brought up. Again though, to what end? We both don't think violence is a big deal in video games and it's not. So why make a big deal out of it now when rape is brought up? Why is it SUDDENLY a big deal?

Posted December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

So why make a big deal out of it now when rape is brought up? Why is it SUDDENLY a big deal?


Because the relationship and comparison of sexuality and violence, particularly the neo-Victorian attitudes towards both in modern America, is something that I've been thinking of quite a bit lately. I've been reading Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's book, On Killing, and he brings up some curious similarities in how Western thought on the subjects have advanced and/or regressed.

The vast disparity between how violence and how sexuality (even consensual sexuality) are regulated is absurd. This has been highlighted by many people, but the criticism has not yet permeated through to mainstream thought, even though there have been high-profile examples of this disparity in games like Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (the Hot Coffee incident, where consensual sex content took the infamous crime simulator where content relating to people being graphically murdered with various weapons is common from an M rating to an AO rating) and The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (the Oblivion Topless Mod incident, in which a mod that made available a model file depicting exposed breasts took a game where graphic killing from a first-person view, blood, gore and even mutilation are included from a T rating to an M rating).

In fact, the person who made the topless mod reportedly "created the mod in protest against what she called 'government/society/whatever forcing companies to "protect our innocent population from seeing those evil dirty things 50% of them possess personally anyways"'", a rather scathing (if somewhat emotional and unreasonable) jab against this neo-Victorian attitude.

I find things like that ridiculous.

Edited December 6th by nullfather
nullfather

So you don't care about violence in video games, but you care when rape is brought up. Rape is not comparable to those consensual sex/nude/topless mods and/or things technically in the game files BTW (especially when it involves OTHER PLAYERS). Not even sure why you're bringing that up, that isn't related to anything. We weren't talking about how prudish society can be so why go there all of the sudden?

If you wanted to make a point about how prudish society can be you shouldn't have used rape to do it.

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

So you don't care about violence in video games, but you care when rape is brought up.


I don't care enough specifically about violence to talk about it in long-winded terms by itself. The comparison between violence and sexuality is more interesting to me.

Rape is not comparable to those consensual sex/nude/topless mods/things


They're not equivalent. They are, however, comparable. They are both related to sexuality and there is a complex relationship between sexuality, violence and sexual violence, especially when you begin thinking about elements of agency and power.

My first comment was clearly and concisely drawing attention to the disparity between how violence and sexual violence are treated. If you don't want to talk about that, that's fine. I was not, however, making an attempt at "making excuses" for anything.

If you wanted to make a point about how prudish society can be you shouldn't have used rape to do it.


If you wanted to make a point about how prudish society can be


you shouldn't have used rape to do it.




Posted December 6th by nullfather
nullfather

Don't facepalm at me. At the VERY least you're self-aware enough to realize that your timing on that was incredibly poor. Regardless of whether or not it was your intention, it did look like you were using rape to make that point in fact I still don't see any way you couldn't have been.

Especially when you say things like

I even remember a couple of games where you could violently kill other people's characters.


In direct response to something I was saying about virtual rape. Like how else am I supposed to take that when you don't think violence is a big deal in video games? It just looks like you're trying to trivialize virtual rape.

My first comment was clearly and concisely drawing attention to the disparity between how violence and sexual violence are treated


If that is REALLY what you meant then really consider the context you said it in...

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

It just looks like you're trying to trivialize virtual rape.


I'm sorry that you took it that way.

Posted December 6th by nullfather
nullfather

I did. But again, consider the context you said it in. It was not a good time at all. In hindsight your mistake is understandable and it may even be the sort of thing I've done before but I hope you now know if you're going to do something like that, at the very least make it clear that you're talking about sexuality and not rape.

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I was talking about rape initially, though. I didn't make a mistake.

Posted December 6th by nullfather
nullfather

Well then be more careful with your words. Be more clear. That may sound weird coming from me but bear with me anyway. Because when you say something really knee-jerk like that in response to what I was saying about virtual rape it just looks bad.

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Your advice has been received, analyzed and placed in the appropriate receptacle. Thank you for calling the nullfather complaint hotline. You phone will self-destruct in three, two, one...

Posted December 6th by nullfather
nullfather

46 posts from newest replies


47 from this thread


I wonder what happened! Oh well I guess!

Posted December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Im looking forward to beating the shit out of germans with a shovel. (battle field one) is that bad?

Posted December 6th by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

Only if it's because they're German.

Posted December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

(the Oblivion Topless Mod incident, in which a mod that made a model file depicting exposed breasts took a game where graphic killing from a first-person view, blood, gore and even mutilation are included from a T rating to an M rating).

That the mangled (and very naked) corpse of Lucien Lachance hadn't already earned the game an M rating speaks to how backwards our priorities are.

While there is currently little to no evidence that games encourage players to emulate violent or self destructive behaviors in real life situations, I am nevertheless somewhat receptive to the argument that software of sufficient technical sophistication would have more of a capacity to influence people than do non interactive mediums. Games are a long way off from the Star Trek Holodeck, and yet that is the unspoken ideal the industry, and perhaps the art form, is chasing. The closer we get to perfect immersion the more relevant this discussion will become, though with that said the suggestion that DOOM had anything to do with Columbine, for instance, was, is, and will always be farcical.

Edited December 6th by Famov
Famov

That the mangled (and very naked) corpse of Lucien Lachance hadn't already earned the game an M rating speaks to how backwards our priorities are.


Before anyone else brings it up: yes, the ESRB claimed that there was "unreported content" related to a mutilated corpse in the game that also contributed to the move to M, but the claim is, in my opinion, horse shit. The corpse that they talked about was visible in the gameplay video that they reviewed, but they considered the later video of a player walking up to the corpse, shining light on it and observing it closely to be evidence of "unreported content".

Games are a long way off from the Star Trek Holodeck, and yet that is the unspoken ideal the industry, and perhaps the art form, is chasing. The closer we get to perfect immersion the more relevant this discussion will become


There is a particular hypocrisy that is present in many discussions of video games that they have a great capacity, as does other art, of effecting the player emotionally and of changing their outlook, but this never applies when the subject is inhibition of violence. The absurd persecution propagated by hacks like Jack Thompson has wounded the culture and resulted in overly defensive and nearly dogmatic stances.

Posted December 6th by nullfather
nullfather

"Yes. Don't read into it too much though, I'm just spewing buzzwords because I know actual serious conversation isn't very likely to happen anyway and it will just be a case of "I'm right, no I'm right"."

Let's clear this up now, and I am not at all joking here. I am not political nor do any of my comments lean in any political direction. If you can't detect sarcasm then that is your fault. Don't be projecting your political views onto me.

Go back to the Daily drama that is your life.

Posted December 6th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

What I was pointing out was that rape and killing are treated very differently in their depictions and normalization...


Interesting point. One thought that immediately comes to mind is that killing, as opposed to rape, is more often thought of as justified or necessary. Even in video games, you're often killing to save yourself in some dire situation (where you yourself will be killed if you do not kill), killing to save someone (usually either in your clan or otherwise "good" -- e.g. your daughter), or just killing obvious "bad guys" (monsters). I can't think of a situation where rape would be necessary (and only rare ones where it might be [morally] "justified" -- like raping some guy that rapes your daughter, or something). I imagine this is one reason we have capital punishment but not rape punishment, as the latter would fall under the category of cruel and unusual.

Posted December 6th by Ophelia
Ophelia

And I really want to add how I fucking hate that politics gets brought up so often on a Video game site. This should be a place to discuss video games. the OP asked if you felt video games are getting to violent and realistic. There is no need to bring politics into it. Keep that shit to the respective forums.

Posted December 6th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

To be fair, I don't think it's possible to discuss the role of violence in video games on the current generation's capacity to commit real world violence *without* discussing anything political.

Posted December 6th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Yes and no. I can understand that sometimes politics get involved like they did when Mortal Kombat came out and caused a huge commotion the resulted in the creation of the ESRB. And also how Jack Thompson was going after M rated video games because of the hot coffee mod from GTA San Andreas back in 2005-2006.

However, to come in and tie politics into the discussion yourself, and then accuse other people of having political agendas when they made no mention of them should not happen. This is a Video game forum, and as such topics that are unrelated to it, like politics, should be left out as much as possible. You have no idea how much it annoys me that when i check the Site Feed I see more political discussions then video game discussions.

Agis' OP was about if you feel games are getting too realistic and violent. I don't see him asking about anyone's political views so why are people bringing them in?

Edited December 6th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

Because it's not out of place in the discussion. Unless you don't want people to explain why they think games realism regarding violence is or isn't a problem and just want "Yes" and "No" answers, it's nearly impossible to go deeper into the topic without discussing political or social viewpoints.

Posted December 6th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I disagree, you can explain your point of view without getting political and accusing other's of having political agendas. You can talk about how you feel violence affects society and vice versa. But to start saying the left is saying this and the right is saying that and SJW's are doing this is silly.

Let me clarify that I am not having a problem with anyone sharing their opinion nor would I ever say that no one is entitled to sharing theirs, however you can share your personal views but not tie it into your political views.

I understand that sometimes it is unavoidable to not talk about politics and video games, as with the examples I named off already. And talking about those events and their affects is obviously justified. I'm talking about people infusing their political views into those discussions with the purpose of pushing those views onto others. And it needs to stop.



Posted December 6th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

@Q I said don't read too much into it and called it "spewing buzzwords" for a reason lmao. How could you possibly take it seriously after that? It's not my entire life and the fact that you're claiming you know anything about my life when you don't even know me outside of this forum just shows how irrationally upset you are. You're the only one making a big deal out of something I wasn't even serious about whatsoever and clearly didn't even make any sense. But hey if you want to start even more drama when there was none, that is on you.

When I get so "dramatic", and this may come as a shock to you it's because I have a problem with what they are saying or seem to be saying or what they are doing. So pretty much like you. And here you are doing similar to what I was just doing (although imo the thing with Null in this thread wasn't my fault at all and was because of his poor choice of words).

You are no better than me at the very least. Human nature sure sucks doesn't it?

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Basically as I said, that was my way at the moment of avoiding further "discussion" that would go on for a while but make no progress whatsoever. Seemed rather inevitable. I figured you would brush it off and not take it seriously at all and you were past acting like this. My apologizes for thinking you were.

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Ok, so you’re saying that if I called you a troll but not to read to far into it because I’m just spewing buzzwords you wouldn’t feel offended?

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and apologize for misconstruing your comments, it appears I have a problem with that and I should have reacted in a more mature manor. But my comments about how politics get brought up too much on a gaming site still stand.

BTW - those are some nice under handed jabs you got in there. I’ll make note of them.

Edited December 6th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

I'm not trolling either is the thing. You really need to see things in less black and white. I just wanted a quick way to dismiss that comment without staying silent about it, it wasn't the best way to do it probably but it was definitely worded in a way where you could pick up on the fact that I wasn't being serious with it.

Also sjw has kind of become a meme at this point too, not even just political, but ya I slapped right-wing on there to make it seem even more absurd. I get where you're coming from with the politics thing, but I also figured it would make it seem even more absurd and not to be taken seriously especially considering I advocated getting rid of the politics forum entirely.

BTW - those are some nice under handed jabs you got in there. I’ll make note of them.


I really hope you don't just mean you're going to jab back at me in a similar way since I know how you like to do that with "trolls". If I was a troll that's exactly what I would want anyway because every single thread ever, not just some would become a dumpster fire of back and forth.

They were rather soft "jabs" anyway, I was just trying to make it clear how things are.

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

“You really need to see things in less black and white.“

Perhaps. I can see where you were joking around and how I misunderstood it. Again I apologize for my comments. I shouldn’t have reacted in the manor I did.

“I really hope you don't just mean you're going to jab back at me in a similar way since I know how you like to do that with "trolls". If I was a troll that's exactly what I would want anyway....”

No I’m not going to start jabbing you back and I know you aren’t a troll, though you do tend to have those tendencies at times. When I say I’ll make note of it I mean I’ll be expecting them more.

“They were rather soft "jabs" anyway”

Like I said, nice jabs. I dont mind some jabs being thrown my way as long as the gloves stay on. I’ve definitely thrown down with people on here in the last 14 years and can take it as much as I can dish it, so I have thick skin.

Edited December 6th by Q
Q
64 Bits of Pure Power!

Alright. Good to see that was resolved. I think.

Edited December 6th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
Reply to: Will Video Games Ever Get to the Point of Being Too Realistic and Too Violent?

Enter your message here


Site Rules | Complaints Process | Register Complaint Facebook Page
GTX0 © 2009-2017 Xhin GameTalk © 1999-2008 lives on