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Brb, throwing away all my medications.

Posted December 4th by nullfather
nullfather

Medicine is different as it's used in moderation and often prescribed by professionals who know (or don't know, but hey it's better than self-prescribing) what you need and can prescribe you something else if there is a problem. Many people actually NEED medicine. I'm talking about the people who don't use it in moderation and only use it to get high and such. Not using it for their needs really.

Edited December 4th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I see. And where do the psychonauts get placed in this system? People who aren't using professionally prescribed medication but are using illegal substances to change their mental state?

Posted December 4th by nullfather
nullfather

nah

Posted December 4th by poptart!
poptart!
 

I won't stop them but I would advise against it.

Posted December 4th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I won't stop them


Oh, thank you

I would advise against it.


Why?

Posted December 4th by nullfather
nullfather

Unless you're an addict, I don't really see how imbibing is running away from life or not facing it head on.



Posted December 4th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I think drinking is inherently escapist, not that forgetting about your inhibitions and anxieties for a bit is a bad thing.

Posted December 4th by Agis
Agis
 

Unless you're an addict, I don't really see how imbibing is running away from life or not facing it head on.


Doesn't have to be, I was just being a bit over-the-top for silliness. However, people do often use drugs and alcohol as stress relievers.

Why?


Because I've become rather distrusting of altering the body like that.

Edited December 4th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

"However, people do often use drugs as stress relievers."

isn't that like, the entire point

Posted December 4th by poptart!
poptart!
 

isn't that like, the entire point


I believe some people when they say they just want to have a better good time than they would and it helps somehow, but it seems like it is most of the time.

Edited December 4th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Nothing wrong with doing something to relieve stress.

Also fundamentally disagree with the take that drinking is inherently escapist. Maybe if you're trying to get drunk, ok. But not everyone drinks with the goal of feeling the affects of the alcohol.

Posted December 4th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

"But not everyone drinks with the goal of feeling the affects of the alcohol."

that's something that i can never wrap my head around

"i go home and drink one beer after work"

... so you're wasting a beer then

Posted December 4th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Because I've become rather distrusting of altering the body like that.


One of my pet peeves is people who say that something like antidepressants or what have you will "make you a different person". It's not that they won't, but that being a depressed person is not preferable over being a "different", not-depressed person. There is no abstract form of "you" that is the right one or even the "accurate" one. You are a flexible human being and are capable of having more experiences and being changed in new ways every day. Depending on how you look at it, there is no "you" or "you" is constantly changing. The ship of Theseus.

The idea that there's some clear line where "chemicals altering the body" becomes unacceptable is a little silly. Everything you eat, drink, breathe and otherwise absorb into your body from the point of conception onwards has been changing your body and, consequently, your mind. You are not a blank slate. The body is a big amalgamation of a bunch of processes and organs that are in flux constantly, even from things as simple as hunger. People are altering their bodies when they drink coffee, when they drink energy drinks, when they stay awake too long, when they eat salty or greasy foods, when they take life-saving medication, when they do any number of things throughout a day. The idea that "altering the body like that" is somehow a thing peculiar to psychoactives is nonsense.

The difference, legally speaking, is that psychoactives can have a massive benefit in terms of destroying depression, addiction and helping to form new connections in the brain. A lot of people don't want that for us and don't want us to think about the benefits. They want us to think about reefer madness and acid casualties, both debunked stereotypes.

Edited December 4th by nullfather
nullfather

The idea that there's some clear line where "chemicals altering the body" becomes unacceptable is a little silly


I didn't claim there is.

Everything you eat, drink, breathe and otherwise absorb into your body from the point of conception onwards has been changing your body and, consequently, your mind


Not saying it doesn't. However drugs are usually more severe imo.

The idea that "altering the body like that" is somehow a thing peculiar to psychoactives is nonsense.


Again didn't say that.

The difference, legally speaking, is that psychoactives can have a massive benefit in terms of destroying depression, addiction and helping to form new connections in the brain


That's the thing though why not just use medicine that already treats it instead if it's there?

They wants us to think about reefer madness and acid casualties, both debunked stereotypes.


Yes it's not inherently bad but there is always risk of course.

Posted December 4th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I'm mainly rambling on the subject, not necessarily responding to you.

Posted December 4th by nullfather
nullfather

This is the most informative video any of us will ever watch on the subject. Not safe for work, incidentally:



This may skirt the line in what we allow here on gtxo, but... it's just a David Firth video on youtube, so perhaps it's okay. If (as per the rules) someone considers this "graphically obscene" content and they tag it I'll understand.

Posted December 4th by Famov
Famov

Firth is wonderful. Just recently, I went back and rewatched the entire Salad Fingers series. It had been years since I checked it and I didn't realize that he had a 10th episode.

Posted December 4th by nullfather
nullfather

... so you're wasting a beer then


No way. I drink good shit that tastes great. I don't need to get tipsy to put a beer to good use.

Posted December 4th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

But then there are so many non-alcoholic beverages that can do that anyway... what's the point?

Posted December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I had a cigar this past weekend. First one since June? It was great.

Posted December 5th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

But then there are so many non-alcoholic beverages that can do that anyway... what's the point?



Whaddya mean, what's the point? I'm drinking what I like to drink, is the point. I'm drinking a beverage I like. Does there need to be a deeper purpose to consumption of a non-water beverage than that?

Posted December 5th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I retract whatever I said here.

Edited December 5th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

Does there need to be a deeper purpose to consumption of a non-water beverage than that?


I guess not, I just don't get why it has to be alcoholic when you can basically get the same thing in something else.

Posted December 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I mean, it doesn't *have* to be. I'm not saying I only drink beer.

But you can't get the same thing in something else when you're craving the taste of a Sam Adams' Octoberfest, or a good Belgian lager. I drink plenty of alcohol-free beverages in a given week, but you won't find anything that tastes like those beers. So if I'm craving the taste of, say, a Weihenstephaner, you can't really get that from a non-alcoholic beverage.

Posted December 5th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

It's not like if you drink an iced tea because you're craving the taste of iced tea, you'd say, "I don't get why it has to be iced tea when you basically get the same thing in water." Ya know?

Posted December 5th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I guess not, I just don't get why it has to be alcoholic when you can basically get the same thing in something else.


Let me know when you find something non-alcoholic that tastes like Strongbow hard cider, Fireball whiskey or Disarrono liqueur.

Posted December 5th by nullfather
nullfather
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