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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

The following is God answering Himself to whiny-boy Job.

1 “Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a cord through its nose or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3 Will it keep begging you for mercy? Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4 Will it make an agreement with you for you to take it as your slave for life?
5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6 Will traders barter for it? Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7 Can you fill its hide with harpoons or its head with fishing spears?
8 If you lay a hand on it, you will remember the struggle and never do it again! 9 Any hope of subduing it is false; the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10 No one is fierce enough to rouse it. Who then is able to stand against me? 11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me.
12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs, its strength and its graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its outer coat? Who can penetrate its double coat of armor ?
14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth, ringed about with fearsome teeth? 15 Its back has rows of shields tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light; its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth; sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from its mouth.
22 Strength resides in its neck; dismay goes before it.
23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable.
24 Its chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone.
25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before its thrashing. 26 The sword that reaches it has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron it treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make it flee; slingstones are like chaff to it.
29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw; it laughs at the rattling of the lance. 30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it; one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal— a creature without fear.
34 It looks down on all that are haughty; it is king over all that are proud.”

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x77OKgTNpW4
Yes, this forum is getting nothing but SPN clips from me.

Even though the Leviathan were the worst season, that was more writing than concept. The lore is fascinating. It's still unclear whether God created the Leviathan before the Archangels, but it's been sort of indirectly implied that they must have been created after the Archangels helped him seal The Darkness. It's also implied that Eve (Mother of Monsters) was also a Leviathan, or at least very closely related to them, making every Supernatural monster a descendant of the Leviathan. Unlikely the show will ever use them again, though since their season was so poorly received.

Posted December 2nd, 2017 by Recalescent Ghost

Yes, this forum is getting nothing but SPN clips from me.


One of these days I'm going to have to tackle the first season.

It's still unclear whether God created the Leviathan before the Archangels, but it's been sort of indirectly implied that they must have been created after the Archangels helped him seal The Darkness


I view Leviathan as the ultimate vessel for God's wrath. The mightiest, proudest, most intrepid of all beasts. If any creature were to oppose God it would be Leviathan, naturally.

It's also implied that Eve (Mother of Monsters) was also a Leviathan, or at least very closely related to them, making every Supernatural monster a descendant of the Leviathan.


Leave some room for Lilith, man.


Anywayz, I love how mythical Job 41 is.

Posted December 3rd, 2017 by Kaot0

I view Leviathan as the ultimate vessel for God's wrath. The mightiest, proudest, most intrepid of all beasts. If any creature were to oppose God it would be Leviathan, naturally.

Ha, that's pretty damn close to how I choose to see them now :)

Leave some room for Lilith, man.

Lilith, you mean Lucifer's first? :D

From what I pieced together the timeline goes something like:

1.) God and the Archangels (Michael, Lucifer, Gabriel, and Raphael) seal the Darkness.

2.) God entrusts the MARK, which is the key to the Darkness' seal, to his most cherished son, Lucifer. The MARK eventually corrupts Lucifer.

3.) God then creates humans, and instructs his Archangels to protect and cherish them even above Him.

4.) Jealous, Lucifer refuses, God casts him from Heaven to Earth, perhaps to teach him a Fatherly lesson, Odin-style. Perhaps God hoped that by being near humans, Lucifer would learn to love them.

5.) This does not work out, as instead Lucifer finds *Lilith* and in a convoluted attempt to prove to God how flawed humans are, he tempts and twists her into the first Demon.

6.) God creates Hell as Lucifer's prison and instructs Michael to cast him down.

7.) Heartbroken, God leaves, warning Michael that one day he might have to kill his brother if (when) he is freed. It is implied somewhat that God's departure is partially due to not wanting to watch his sons murder each other.

I like this version of God because he is not omniscient, however, as the oldest and wisest form of Life in existence, he is as good as. Nonetheless, God's knowledge is somewhat limited in the same way as our knowledge in subatomic physics. By creating Free Will, he has essentially created a "rock that He cannot lift." God can see the "probability space" of our decisions, and knows approximately where our decisions will lie 99.9995% of the time. However, this knowledge is statistical, not deterministic. This gives God certainty of the future, however, there is a infinitesimally small chance that the outcome lies outside of his judgment. Thinking of God in this simple nigh-omniscient way not only solves the Problem of Evil, but reconciles prophecy with free will. And God... still deserves to be called "God." He would still be the most reliable and powerful thing in the universe, just not impossibly so. I don't know about you, but I'd invest all the faith in the world in a predictor with 99.9995% accuracy.

Edited December 6th, 2017 by Recalescent Ghost

Perhaps God hoped that by being near humans, Lucifer would learn to love them.


Nice going God...

God can see the "probability space" of our decisions, and knows approximately where our decisions will lie 99.9995% of the time. However, this knowledge is statistical, not deterministic.


Ah, and if God had 100% omniscience I think He would find Himself in a solipsistic hell, personally. Jesus Christ's example leaves no room for solipsism in his followers; proving that only God can be God, and that when powerful men truly believe they are God, their soul transforms to become something eternally offensive.

[Philippians 2:5-7...Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness...]

I don't know about you, but I'd invest all the faith in the world in a predictor with 99.9995% accuracy.


I agree, bro. To heck with Epicurus and his famous quotation!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8199-is-god-willing-to-prevent-evil-but-not-able-then

Edited December 6th, 2017 by Kaot0

The leviathan season was the best season wtf.

"We got dick on dick", and "we got to bone this nun" are some of Dean's best lines

Posted December 6th, 2017 by S.o.h.
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I don't know about you, but I'd invest all the faith in the world in a predictor with 99.9995% accuracy.


Actually no, come to think of it, that's very sneaky of you.

Posted December 7th, 2017 by Kaot0

One of these days, I'm going to post my entire treatise on why God allows evil to exist. I have every expectation that all of you will reject it long before I've even clicked Paste because it won't appeal to your confirmation bias, and thus you all will only comb it for ammunition instead of actually listening.

Posted January 18th by GC/MS
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