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We're gonna need a bigger boat.

Not gonna lie, I kinda forgot that was finally happening so soon at this point. The first official trailer just dropped this morning.





So, first, I have to admit that I am (annoyingly) pretty hyped! I generally get excited for some of these (Thor: Ragnarok, Black Panther), but otherwise, as a fan of the comics, I don't ultimately spend that much time thinking about upcoming films - since I've spent years following these characters. I didn't realize how stoked I would actually be to finally see where Marvel was ultimately building towards.

Second, there's so much happening here! I know they planned it to be in two parts, which makes sense because watching the trailer and seeing how much is happening, it's hard to imagine the film being less than two and a half hours. It looks like essentially it will focus primarily on New York and Wakanda as far as locations go. Makes sense.

We also can pretty much figure out how the film begins based on the mid-credits sequence from Thor: Ragnarok. (So, Thanos will try to take over the Asgardian ship with the Guardians of the Galaxy presumably swooping in to save the day.) They sell it in the trailer like that might be the sort of "stay tuned" ending of the first film, but it chronologically has to happen near the start. So it might be a Return of the Jedi situation where the Avengers take the fight on Earth while Guardians take it in space. (I'd loooove if they actually work in real Novas, but I know James Gunn doesn't like them for some reason and made it a point to effectively weaken them to the point of being useless.) (We also know this has to be the beginning of the film because they have to get Hulk to Earth.)

Love the little Spider-man bits. The hair standing up is a pretty clever way to indicate Spideysense on film. Also dig their version of the Iron Spider (I assume that's what it's supposed to be.) The lack of the legs is kinda disappointing, but also sort of does make sense for a film.

Interesting that there isn't really much of Winter Soldier or Black Widow, and Hawkeye doesn't appear at all. Kiiiinda makes sense that the "relatively normal humans" would sort of drop back, although presumably Black Widow will have more of a role given her popularity and overall significance in the team before.



The negative thing I'll say is that it's kind of disappointing that we don't get to see anything substantial with Cap following Civil War. This is the benefit of the comics. You end a story arc on such a dramatic note as Captain America giving up his mighty shield, but everyone knows - given the nature of the business - it's only a matter of time before he takes it up again. So, we can also follow the character during that time. In cinema, we're going to ultimately go from "Cap gave up his shield" to "Cap is taking up his shield again" literally the very next time we see him. (Unless he's somehow a sneakily a part of Black Panther.) So you definitely lose some of the excitement over seeing him with the shield again and being Cap again.

But it's still pretty crazy that we're finally at this point. Two or three films a year for a decade all leading up to this, it almost feels like it's been much longer.

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It's been ten years man. I'm so excited I legitimately teared up.

I didn't notice Parker's hair prickle up until my second viewing. I am extremely excited.

Posted November 29th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

Out of all of the MCU movies I've only missed out on watching one of them. I am really pumped too now seeing this. Especially that little scene at the end; "who the hell are you guys?"

Posted November 29th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

Also, I know it's not likely to happen at all...but I think it would be completely awesome if Deadpool made some kind of surprise cameo in the film. Though it may kill the tone a bit if done improperly because this one seems pretty darn serious.

Posted November 29th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

Can't imagine FOX giving them any rights for even a cameo. I *do* almost wonder if they might somehow work in the Fantastic Four into part II. There have long been murmurs that FOX and Marvel Studios were working some secret back room deal to swap properties (in which FOX gets more X-Men characters and Marvel gets Fantastic Four). Think it would be cool to do that secretly and reveal Reed Richards showing up in part II or something.


Yeah, it is funny how I was kinda thinking that I was feeling a bit "fatigued" by superheroes. Or, not so much the movies - I've always enjoyed going out to see the films - but rather the hype. I didn't really see reason to get hyped about any of these films when I'm well familiar with the source material. (There really aren't true "spoilers" to these movies when you're a comic book nerd. They change a bunch of details, but none of it is really surprising.)

But it does feel really neat to see that we're finally getting there. Thanos looks different, maybe just a result of improved technology from five years ago. He looks better. And man, I'm stoked to see him on screen! I just hope they don't reduce him to brute force alone like they did with the new Marvel relaunch.

Posted November 29th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I always liked the more complicated villains who have great backstories. The movies have still been good but the villains could work with better motivations, etc. Some that have those "brute force" vibes just seem like "being evil because I'm evil". Even Hela in the most recent Thor seemed to have the ambitions of "Well that's what I do, I kill." Ones like Adrian Toomes felt better developed.

Also I'm curious to know when the last stone will be revealed. I kind of want to see it in the Black Panther film because I feel it would be a little unexpected.

Posted November 29th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

The last stone would be the soul stone which I am going to assume black panther uses to communicate with his dieties. (And I THINK ITS IN HIS RING!)

Posted November 29th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Huh. That's interesting because I thought Adriane Toomes felt more "I'm bad. Just because, really" than Hela. I guess it's a bit different because with Asgardians, they're all "gods" of something, and Hela was the goddess of death, so it just fits more that she would be innately bad. But also, I liked that whole notion that she was created to be Odin's executioner, but then she had the experience of being cast out and covered up and denied what would be rightfully hers if Odin didn't randomly change his mind. But Toomes in Spider-man: Homecoming didn't feel developed at all to me. He goes from, "I need this job because I have a family!" to "let's do illegal stuff and sell weapons certainly being used to hurt and kill people, and oh yeah, I'm totally going to threaten this kid by saying I'll kill everyone he loves if he interferes with my business again" in literally no time at all. He never felt anything less than an "evil villain" to me, even with that half-attempt to make him sympathetic by having him try to protect his guys in the opening scene.

Posted November 29th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

(in which FOX gets more X-Men characters and Marvel gets Fantastic Four)


Don't FOX just have the entire X-Men franchise to pick from?

They certainly seem to be getting a variety of appearances in their movies & tv shows.

Posted November 30th by Moonray
Moonray

It's...complicated. They have access to a lot of X-Men characters, but not all, and not exclusive. That's due to the nature of some characters (like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, for example) being big parts of multiple teams.

Posted November 30th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

While not saying that Adrian Toomes was the most developed villain in any Marvel movie. I do appreciate at least some motivation for his character, even if it's early on and a quick explanation. While we could probably build the slippery slope-like story in our heads, it would've been great to see maybe even 5 minutes of an explanation of what he did in the decade or so since the first Avengers film. In these movies they spend so much time building up the hero that the villain's character tends to be lackluster. Just compared to "evil entities" like Hela and Dormammu and unexplained people like Yellowjacket, Toomes just looks better explained which is what I prefer.

Posted November 30th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

I mean, yeah, no one is arguing that any of these villains other than Loki are memorable or adequately developed in the slightest. I would argue that there is just as much exploration into Hela as there is for Toomes, though. (Definitely not Dormammu... wait...do you think they'll bring Dormammu back for Infinity Wars like what Dr. Strange did in World War Hulk??)

Posted November 30th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I doubt they'd have any more than Thanos for villains in this next movie. I always wanted Red Skull to come back because I felt like he'd be an awesome villain again but he's small time shit compared to Thanos. I'd argue that aside from maybe Dormammu, the only way for them to go bigger villain wise would be Galactus.

Also I consider Loki to be villainous but not a full villain at this point. I consider him to be anti-heroish who just looks for their own interests like Catwoman. Sometimes willing to help the hero and sometimes willing to screw them over. Whatever serves his needs.

Posted November 30th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

So I wonder if they might do a thing wherein - like in World War Hulk - Dr. Strange feels so limited in options given how overpowered he is, he agrees to allow Dormammu to effectively possess him. Could be an interesting inclusion in Part II to see him risking unleashing Dormammu. Highlight how outmatched and desperate they are.

Posted November 30th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto
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