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What is more powerful than God?
More evil than the devil?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3FVJOXVHek
Misha Collins.

Obviously.

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I don't like this reference

Posted November 23rd by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

This show is anti-Christian

Posted November 24th by Kaot0
Kaot0

This show is anti-Christian

one of my favorite aspects of the show was seeing angels get slaughtered.

Posted November 24th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

I just don't like the reference or the show much. It's cool in concept really.

Posted November 24th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

The first 5-6 seasons are great. After that though thinks got too wonky for my liking. I dropped it around season 10 I think. Or whatever season has that musical episode (which I loved tbh, I felt it was the proper send off for the show)

Posted November 24th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Girls like Supernatural because of Jensen Ackles and Mark Pellegrino

Posted November 24th by Kaot0
Kaot0

one of my favorite aspects of the show was seeing angels get slaughtered.

They have not let up of that. The angels are nearly extinct.

I dropped it around season 10.

There is a lot of interesting things going on this season, in my opinion.

Lucifer's character development is quite entertaining as well. You can tell that he really wants to be a better Father to his son than God was to him.






Posted November 24th by Recalescent Ghost
Recalescent Ghost
 

This show is anti-Christian.

Honestly, Supernatural's version of God is one of the few that I'm willing to accept. It's beyond me why so many theists even consider omnipotence or omniscience to be essential qualities of God. Nigh-omnipotence or nigh-omniscience are good enough and either one would circumvent the Epicurean trilemma. Not sure why God needs to be able to defy logic (human or otherwise) to be considered God. Although, I suspect that somewhere deep within the human psyche the necessity of God has less to do with making sense of the universe, and a bit more to do with making us feel better about our place within it. If God is anything less than perfect, then there is a chance, however small, that things might not work out for us.

Edited November 24th by Recalescent Ghost
Recalescent Ghost
 

This thread needs to be on the TV forum(if there is one). Not here.

But then again, most people here seem to be all about trolling the religious and not having deep discussion.

Posted November 28th by GC/MS
GC/MS
 

This isn't the "religion" forum, it's the Religion, Theology, Spirituality and Philosophy forum, and Supernatural's lore has enough philosophy to go around. So unless you're done the proper "experiment" by watching the series through, I suggest you shut your trap :)

Posted December 2nd by Recalescent Ghost
Recalescent Ghost
 

What philosophical thought is present in Supernatural?

I remember it just being a monster of the week show.

Posted December 2nd by nullfather
nullfather

Whaattt? No, no, the monster of the week stuff is just filler. The main storyline is centered around interesting twists on Judeo-Christian lore. The possible philosophical implications that arise are too numerous to count, not only in relation to religion, but the nature of reality itself. The fun part about it gives you just enough vagueness to put alot of things together yourself if you have the predisposition to do so, but leaves quite a bit of humor, drama, and other fun stuff for those who don't. I particularly enjoy their depiction of God as a sort of primordial entity simply representing "Life." Rather than being the apex of all existence, he stands toe to toe with other cosmic entities such as Death, Destruction, and Emptiness.

Edited December 2nd by Recalescent Ghost
Recalescent Ghost
 

So for example, "The Emptiness" in the clip above stated that he was "asleep" until Castiel woke up in the realm of the Empty. If we choose to, we can assume that the word "sleep" was chosen for the sake of simplicity and instead interpret this entity's "sleeping" as being in a state of quantum uncertainty. Sort of like Schrodinger's cat. It's not until Castiel, an observer, wakes up and creates a contrast does Emptiness become defined at all. This may seem like an explanation pulled out of my ass, but it's been explored before. For one, even Angels have been confirmed to be able to enter states of quantum superposition. For another, Death knows all about the Darkness, yet the Darkness claims that she has never met Death. Yet many seasons earlier, Death states that he is as old as God, and God (Creation) and The Darkness (Destruction) are siblings. So why would Death and The Darkness never have met? Because before God created lesser forms of life, nothing had ever died, so the Darkness would literally have never seen Death. However, Death would have existed at least in concept because God himself is Life and, though essentially eternal, can potentially be ended by The Darkness under the right circumstances. Thus, possibly, Death was "asleep" in the same way that The Emptiness was, in a state of uncertainty.

The best part is, all of this shit has to be pieced together from lore, the show doesn't throw it in your face. And I do enjoy to speculate.

Edited December 2nd by Recalescent Ghost
Recalescent Ghost
 

It's beyond me why so many theists even consider omnipotence or omniscience to be essential qualities of God.


For myself, I've just come to accept this as an essential mystery of the faith. I vacillated between Arminianism and Calvinism for quite some time this past year before settling that my understanding has a human limitation. Who is God that His ways can be discerned so as to be predicted by man?

[Psalm 144:3...LORD, what are human beings that you care for them, mere mortals that you think of them?]

[Isaiah 55:8-9..."For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts."]

Not sure why God needs to be able to defy logic (human or otherwise) to be considered God.


Well, if you look at Israel emerging from Egypt until now, and if you believe that God has protected Israel (they have nuclear capabilities for one...) God certainly appears to be intent on achieving victory within the parameters of this fallen world.

What I have come to know intimately of Yahweh's character is that He delights in using the weakest vessel deemed utterly worthless by the standards of this world, and in using that vessel to accomplish the mightiest acts of victory. Like a city eroded by the winds of a single day, is God who chooses a man to be the instrument of His will. So that His glory may be seen throughout all peoples and nations!

[2 Corithians 12:9...But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.]

I have come to a rather simple yet complex explanation for the problem of evil, though it skirts the border of blaspheme. I keep it to myself and do not think much of it as there is nothing in the Bible for it.

Suffice to say, evil is the absence of God's will; our rejection of it. Adam and Eve desired to define Good and Evil on their own terms, to become as God.

Which souls truly belong to Him is another question. I believe He allows us into this fallen world to see who will return to him against all odds. If you love something, set it free. If it returns, it truly was of you. If it does not, then it was never yours to begin with. This is more of an Arminian precept, however.


Posted December 3rd by Kaot0
Kaot0

If God is anything less than perfect, then there is a chance, however small, that things might not work out for us.


Reminds me of this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N2tmydgsAc

Posted December 3rd by Kaot0
Kaot0

This may seem like an explanation pulled out of my ass, but it's been explored before


...didn't catch that...what's been explored before?

Yet many seasons earlier, Death states that he is as old as God, and God (Creation) and The Darkness (Destruction) are siblings.


Oroboros?! SPN sounds like a personification intensive show.

The best part is, all of this shit has to be pieced together from lore, the show doesn't throw it in your face. And I do enjoy to speculate.


How consistent have you found the lore in SPN's (13?) seasons to be throughout? Now I'm interested...


Edited December 3rd by Kaot0
Kaot0

How consistent have you found the lore in SPN's (13?) seasons to be throughout? Now I'm interested...

You'll find a plot hole in anything if you look, but I would say remarkably well considering how often the show's guidance has changed hands. The biggest plot hole I would say is how the bad guys always choose to beat up the main characters instead of snapping their fingers and killing them lol But that depends on how each individual episode is written. As far as the overarching lore goes, it actually lines up very well from the beginning of the series with a few exceptions. One fun thing is that you have to consider that much of the exposition comes from unreliable narrators. However, there are certain pieces of information that you know you can trust. For example, I personally think that God is an unreliable narrator, however Death's word is more or less absolute.

Posted December 5th by Recalescent Ghost
Recalescent Ghost
 
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