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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

"Fear is the foundation of most governments." - John Adams

"Despite the constant negative press covfefe" - Donald Trump


Why did so many people get triggered by that statement?

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I actually agree. I don’t see what is so offensive about that statement.

Regarding Charlottesville btw, I don’t trust “video evidence” when what’s going on in said video has to be explained by a narrator. If the video evidence for your case was so solid, you would feel comfortable just showing the video on its own with no narration, no slow mo, no pointers or anything like that. Just admit that your “side” has some batshit insane, violent motherfuckers along with antifa.

Posted November 13th by pacman
pacman
 

and yet "Black lives matter" is not a problem for the ver same people who get triggered by this.

Posted November 13th by tnu
tnu

I actually agree. I don’t see what is so offensive about that statement.

something something white supremacy, apparently.

and yet "Black lives matter" is not a problem for the ver same people who get triggered by this.

In addition to that, "All Lives Matter" is racist lol

Regarding Charlottesville btw, I don’t trust “video evidence” when what’s going on in said video has to be explained by a narrator. If the video evidence for your case was so solid, you would feel comfortable just showing the video on its own with no narration, no slow mo, no pointers or anything like that. Just admit that your “side” has some batshit insane, violent motherfuckers along with antifa.

Haha, the best you have got to discredit it is "The video is accompanied by additional text!"

Are you denying that blob on the ground is Heather? I have more pics that will confirm it.

Are you denying there isnt a clear frame where shes on the ground before the car is up on her? (specifically 34 seconds in)

The video was shown on its own, and with so much happening and people moving around, and lasting only a couple seconds, slowing it down helps capture more.

You are grasping at straws. So was she hit by the car or not, pacman?

Posted November 13th by #85
#85

Blob on the ground


You have no decency huh?

Posted November 13th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

Tbh I think you’re the one who has been grasping at straws on tbis issue the whole time by obsessing over “was she on the ground before the car hit her?” I don’t think it’s particularly relevant. Even if no one had been killed, dude in the car still drove into a fairly packed area like a fucking Islamist, endangering not just that girl but others in the area. Quit pretending your side is 100 percent peaceful and innocent and never gets violent like antifa. Nazi/KKK tactic of self-victimization no longer works.

The reason I don’t even trust your source is because it encourages the viewer to see it a certain way. Reminds me of Loose Change where they used pointers and slow mo try and force the viewer to see non existent bombs going off in the towers.


Posted November 13th by pacman
pacman
 

You have no decency huh?

Yet somehow it’s the gays and the trannies who are the degenerates to him lol.

I was going to get into what a piece of amoral shit he is, but the alt-right seems to view love or compassion of any kind as “snowflake” behavior anyway.

Edited November 13th by pacman
pacman
 

Its Ok to be White


Nothing at all wrong with the sentiment, but I don't see a reason to go telling it to people like it's going to convince them of anything.

And no, I don't think that responding to people essentially just to spite them is worthwhile outside of entertaining yourself on the internet. Which is what I see people using that phrase for 100% of the time.

Posted November 13th by nullfather
nullfather

there's nothing wrong with being white and all lives matter, but once you start spouting these platitudes while you defend neo-nazi murderers, you're saying something else entirely.

Posted November 13th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Idk about it convincing people of anything Null, but the fact that it enrages so many people sort of indicates to me that it needed to be said. Wouldn’t mind seeing “it’s ok to be a southern hillbilly” plastered all over Hollywood as well. Or even “it’s ok for boys to wear dresses and play with girl toys” in Alabama or something. In general I’m a fan of challenging people’s prejudices and preconceived notions.

Posted November 13th by pacman
pacman
 

there's nothing wrong with being white and all lives matter, but once you start spouting these platitudes while you defend neo-nazi murderers, you're saying something else entirely.

This is crucial actually, because WNs and the alt-right often use sensible but politically incorrect ideas to try and recruit sane people who would otherwise tell them to fuck off. Just look at how many anti-SJWs turned to the alt-right last year.

Posted November 13th by pacman
pacman
 

Idk about it convincing people of anything Null, but the fact that it enrages so many people sort of indicates to me that it needed to be said.


I tend to run it down from their side. When I find an anti-white, I just keep asking them to explain their racism and the prerequisite beliefs for their racism, achieving much the same effect without sticking my neck out with my own statement.

The Socratic method is wonderful.

Posted November 13th by nullfather
nullfather

That’s certainly admirable, and that would probably be an interesting conversation to listen in on. You can’t really reach the masses that way though, unless you were to film your back and forth with said anti-white racist and have it become a viral sensation. There is a reason memes and simple statements in general have become so popular in politics. The dumbest, simplest meme can have a wider reaching effect than a two hour dialogue or 500 page book. I do think part of it has to do with an overall decline in intellect and attention span.

Posted November 13th by pacman
pacman
 

I guess things like "all lives matter" is annoying to people who are trying to fix some specific social Injustice. It's true but it doesn't do anything besides passively patronize an actual issue.

It would be a bit like if legislators did some heinous anti-gun legislation. You went to protest your second amendment rights, and an outside group bashed you by saying "all rights matter". While technically true, it adds nothing to your cause and when outright dismisses it as a worthless one.

Posted November 13th by Xhin
Xhin
 

how can you live with yourself calling her a blob on a ground. she was a person she had a family and a mom and dad and wanted to enjoy life and it was taken of her by a deranged man who are you trying to defend..

Posted November 13th by Brandy
Brandy

how can you live with yourself calling her a blob on a ground. she was a person she had a family and a mom and dad and wanted to enjoy life and it was taken of her by a deranged man who are you trying to defend..

Because I've looked at the facts and am not just posting knee jerk. The incident happened at around 1:30pm, an hour and a half after all gatherings were declared illegal. The alt right complied and dispersed, while the alt left took to the streets, blocking traffic (a question no one asks is why was an empty red Van parked blocking the intersection 7 milutes prior)

She was a member of an organization called IWW (Industrial Workers of the World ) which is a literal Commie organization.

Basically she was a commie who was in an unlawful riot.

Cause of death does matter when we have a someone accused of murder. Its not as cut and dry when the video evidence is looked at.

We need to withhold judgement until convicted, strong possibility his car was attacked.

Or even “it’s ok for boys to wear dresses and play with girl toys” in Alabama or something.

It isn't though. That is abnormal, weird, and disgusting. Grooming kids for homosexual pervs.

Posted November 13th by #85
#85

Lol I figured that would trigger your delicate ass.

Brb painting my nails

Posted November 13th by pacman
pacman
 

It isn't though. That is abnormal, weird, and disgusting. Grooming kids for homosexual pervs.


To be fair I wore a dress... well there was three of us in there. (Aunt monica was a large woman) and we didnt get diddled by homosexuals pervs.

I think you have a better chance of being diddled by a republican congressman these days.

Posted November 13th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Enough talk of degen crossdressing

Posted November 13th by #85
#85

The idea of a man in a dress triggers you. That's pretty sad lol.

Posted November 13th by A.o.h.
A.o.h.
 

"an hour and a half after all gatherings were declared illegal."

not an excuse for murder

"blocking traffic"

not an excuse for murder

"She was a member of an organization called IWW (Industrial Workers of the World ) which is a literal Commie organization"

more syndicalist imo and also not an excuse for murder

(so you think wobblies should be killed for their political beliefs?

"Basically she was a commie who was in an unlawful riot."

a protest isn't a riot and also, not an excuse for murder

"strong possibility his car was attacked."

no evidence of this, not an excuse for murder

you braindead, murderous nazi fuck

Posted November 13th by poptart!
poptart!
 

anyways its good to see most people here see nothing wrong with "its ok to be white"

Posted November 13th by #85
#85

Depends on the context of the conversation. As a general statement, no.

Posted November 13th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

????

Are "Black Lives Matter"

Or "its ok to be black"

also bad as "general statements" as you call them?

Posted November 13th by #85
#85

it is okay to be white.

what is not okay is thinking that you are superior because of the color of your skin.




Posted November 13th by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

so even if his car is attacked. is that an excuse to kill people? it's a piece of metal with rubber wheels..

Posted November 13th by Brandy
Brandy

I said "no" as in "it's not a problem" or "it's not wrong," if it's just a general statement. Sorry if that was unclear. I was responding to your statement that "most people here see nothing wrong with 'its ok to be white'"

Like with the other sayings, everything depends on the context of the situation but there's nothing wrong with them either as general statements.

Edited November 13th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

so even if his car is attacked. is that an excuse to kill people? it's a piece of metal with rubber wheels

So you should just sit there if a group of thugs try to obstruct your right to free movement?

Posted November 13th by #85
#85

*revs my engine menacingly as the elementary school crossing guard holds up her stop sign*

Posted November 13th by EN
EN

i personally dont know what i would do in that situation, but the last thing i would do is press on the gas and run over people

Posted November 13th by Brandy
Brandy

"Right to move"

would you be protecting this right if it was a commie driver being obstructed by nazis?

Posted November 13th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Traffic obstruction is not a service to society. In fact it makes your movement annoying and deplorable. People are just trying to get to work to live their normal lives and support themselves and their families. Obstructing my ability to get to work and provide will piss me right off and make me hate you.

Posted November 13th by Kaot0
Kaot0

i might, even, throw a tantrum

Posted November 13th by EN
EN

point: obstructing my ability to get to work and provide will piss me right off and make me hate you

counterpoint: keep honking, i'm reloading

Posted November 13th by EN
EN

"Obstructing my ability to get to work and provide will piss me right off and make me hate you."

not an excuse for murder

Posted November 13th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Jesus Christ I regret bringing up Charlottesville lol. 85 is never going to get it anyway. Not to dehumanize him, but it really does feel a bit like trying to get Eric Cartman to understand the feeling of remorse. It’s futile and not worth it considering I could spend that time on more productive things.

Posted November 13th by pacman
pacman
 

Vroooom VROOOOM

Posted November 13th by Kaot0
Kaot0

Better not make me late again for another bris, Antifa scum

Posted November 13th by Kaot0
Kaot0

For those that don't know, "It's okay to be white" was nothing more than a 4chan stunt meant to provoke that distinctly American brand of racial neurosis. It looks as though they succeeded, and in making an actual point they did what Black Lives Matter could never hope to do with their mountains of lies and sanctimony.

With respect to the apparent murder of Heather Heyer, I have no doubt that justice will be done one way or another. Law enforcement knows whether or not she was hit by the vehicle and they probably have a pretty good idea what relationship that shares with the heart attack that killed her. Considering Fields was charged with second degree murder it looks as though there's not much doubt on their part.

Posted November 14th by Famov
Famov

"For those that don't know, 'It's okay to be white' was nothing more than a 4chan stunt meant to provoke that distinctly American brand of racial neurosis. It looks as though they succeeded, and in making an actual point they did what Black Lives Matter could never hope to do with their mountains of lies and sanctimony."

so you're saying that racists pretended that an innocuous phrase was a racist dog whistle and people thought it was a racist dog whistle because racists were saying it? great, they made such a great ~~**actual**~~ point

4chan pranks were funnier before stormfront took over

Posted November 14th by poptart!
poptart!
 

You say these 4channers were the racists, but they weren't the ones baying once someone blew on the whistle. The howls of "white nationalism" were as expected as they were inappropriate, and regardless of the lengths you'll go to find something sinister in their intentions it remains true that the purpose of this exercise was to highlight the absurdity of America's racial insecurities.

Posted November 14th by Famov
Famov

i'm still not following even after googling it - racists put up posters and people correctly deduced that they were put up by racists... and that proves the racists right? forgive me if i'm sympathetic to anyone thinking an "it's ok to be white" poster has ulterior motives after decades of white supremacist dog whistling. if you want to blame anyone for the "absurdity of America's racial insecurities," blame #85 and his pals (it's not a coincidence that he used the iron cross as the icon for this thread).

(and fuck off if you're going to try to tell me that 4channers aren't racist; at this point, even /lit/, which used to be full of marxists, is infested with /pol/tard scum, and casual racism was a part of the site from the beginning)

Edited November 14th by poptart!
poptart!
 

4chan is home to plenty of racists. However, the purpose of the campaign was to demonstrate that the left will perceive racism in statements that are inherently not racist. There was no way for the people to know that 4chan, or any group of racists put up the posters. They deduced racism from an inherently non racist statement, thereby proving 4chan's point.

Posted November 14th by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

More sanctimony, lying, and misunderstanding went into the phrase "all lives matter" than BLM could ever hope to produce.

Such reactionaries have taken a phrase that essentially means, "Hey just a reminder, but blacks lives also matter too" and used it as an opportunity to display just how much they've missed the point.

They are constantly engaging in a form of "harshness signaling" (whereby they signal to everyone that they are tough, unsentimental, courageous truth talkers who are "just being rational" and who love to "tell it like it is" ). But this mindset constantly obscures the fact that context matters and they hate context more than anything.

For example, "Allahu Akbar" isn't a phrase that means anything inherently violent. In colloquial Arab speech people use it the same way we say "Oh my God!" when we are surprised, exasperated, or scared in English.

But if I was someone with a history of support for radical Islam, if my social media was covered in Jihadist imagery, and if I walked into an American airport and just started shouting it at the top of my lungs, which context do you think people are understandably going to jump to?

That's what this is for white people. It is okay to be white. But given who tends to say it and in what context, we know your motives are not pure at all. And in typical 4chan/alt-right fashion, you get to write it off as just being some kind of silly, innocently conceived social experiment. No context at all for why people might quite rightfully suspect malice.

Posted November 14th by Just Because
Just Because
 

Such reactionaries have taken a phrase that essentially means, "Hey just a reminder, but blacks lives also matter too" and used it as an opportunity to display just how much they've missed the point.

I agree, "white lives matter" represents a misunderstanding of the phrase "Black Lives Matter." The phrase "Black Lives Matter" is trash on the grounds that it implies that (white) America does not already think black lives matter because they refuse to curb people's liberties in the pursuit of protecting brown people's feelings. It is based off of a series of debunked narratives that paint a systemic effort by police to kill black men that does not exist. This should be the real reason why everyone rejects black lives matter, not because they are purportedly trying to elevate blacks above non blacks (which I would say at least the overwhelming majority are not doing.)

They are constantly engaging in a form of "harshness signaling" (whereby they signal to everyone that they are tough, unsentimental, courageous truth talkers who are "just being rational" and who love to "tell it like it is" ).

This is a direct reaction to the growing culture of the weaponization of one's hurt feelings in order to suppress freedom of speech. The first amendment exists precisely to protect opinions that the state and majority would seek to suppress if hurt feelings were the criteria for speech's suppression. Given today's environment I am glad people like that exist, and if the real problem would disappear then these people would be instantaneously be deplatformed.

For example, "Allahu Akbar" isn't a phrase that means anything inherently violent. In colloquial Arab speech people use it the same way we say "Oh my God!" when we are surprised, exasperated, or scared in English.

That's what this is for white people. It is okay to be white. But given who tends to say it and in what context, we know your motives are not pure at all.

The problem is that terrorist attacks almost never ensue when someone says "white lives matter" or "it's okay to be white," whereas in the west it is reported that a huge number of terrorist attacks are preceded by "Allahu Ackbar" and I imagine things are not different with Islamic terror attacks outside of the west. Additionally, there is an intensive campaign launched by the left every time
an Islamic terror attack occurs, to downplay the role of Islam in the attack, and to worry over the "rise of Islamophobia" that may ensue.

On the other hand, one can post "It's okay to be white," on a college campus, which is an inherently non racist statement, and despite that the people at the college do not have access to any other information apart from that the phrase has been stated publicly, people will jump to the conclusion immediately that the person who posted it must necessarily be a white supremacist.

These institutions will use conjecture to clear Islam of any role in wrongdoing when it is not necessarily a motivating factor, but will then use conjecture to impose white supremacy onto people or actions that do not necessarily require white supremacy. The point of the campaign (which was stated to have just been waged as a joke) was to demonstrate the amount of mental gymnastics the left will undergo in order to project white supremacy onto people they know nothing about.

Posted November 14th by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

the fact that the posters were put up by racist 4channers literally proves the people who jumped to racism right.

Posted November 14th by poptart!
poptart!
 

"people will jump to the conclusion immediately that the person who posted it must necessarily be a white supremacist."

and they weren't wrong!

Posted November 14th by poptart!
poptart!
 

I would not be surprised, knowing 4chan, if white supremacists are responsible. I'm having trouble finding information on the particular individual(s) responsible, but I can't cast blame against an unnamed person (who did nothing wrong), just because they frequented 4chan.

And even if they were, it does not really change that the conclusion was drawn based off of no evidence whatsoever, whereas any other type of "it's okay to be X" statement, for one, would not spark any controversy whatsoever, and would be given the benefit of any doubt regarding the posters' intentions. The campaign's intentions to highlight the mass hysteria that will ensue the suggestion that it is okay to be white were realized regardless of the identity of the poster.

Posted November 14th by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

Dr. Doom laying it Down

Posted November 15th by Kaot0
Kaot0

Such reactionaries have taken a phrase that essentially means, "Hey just a reminder, but blacks lives also matter too" and used it as an opportunity to display just how much they've missed the point.

No one missed the point. They're just insulted that some self righteous dimwit would have the gall to condescend to the people around them with race baiting twitter hashtags. "All Lives Matter" was an appropriate response as far as metaphorical middle fingers are concerned.

No context at all for why people might quite rightfully suspect malice.

Oh, there's plenty of context and you (and pop) are deliberately ignoring the most important details (such as the stated intent of the exercise!), but the people who were set up to react to this had none whatsoever. This argument wouldn't be any better had we discovered that Stormfront really was responsible for the posters. The political inclinations of each anonymous channer are unknown and, more importantly, irrelevant. They threw eggs and the right people lined up to get hit in the face. The experiment was a success.

Edited November 15th by Famov
Famov

"(such as the stated intent of the exercise!)"

because the intent doesn't really change anything. yes, the people who reacted were wrong about the reasons for the flyers, but they correctly deduced that suspicious flyers were posted for ulterior motives. that proves literally nothing

it's also self-fulfilling - the more you use harmless phrases as white supremacist slogans or as douchebag pranks, the more people are going to assume that you're fucking with them when you say those things. the blame for the "hysterical reaction" lies with white supremacists.

although i think that the strategy for dealing with that shit needs to change; reacting angrily because you hear the dog whistle is counterproductive; not everyone is going to hear it, and white supremacists know it. i think everyone here handled #85's obvious bait well.

"The political inclinations of each anonymous channer are unknown"

at this point, if you're on 4chan, it's pretty easy to guess the basics of your political beliefs. it's not what it used to be (or maybe it was always this way and i'm wearing rose-colored glasses)

Posted November 15th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Don't be daft. They all missed the point. The very way in which they framed the issue (that white people were somehow being excluded from the group of lives that matters) shows that they didn't get it from the start.

They, therefore, only believed (wrongly) that they were being condescended to and "all lives matter" is an open declaration of their triggering.

These are the same people now being triggered by the NFL. It is not that they are upset that someone is talking down to them with something "too obvious" to be a real point. They simply don't like that their opponents are making points at all.

Their purported love of the 1st Amendment is rank virtue signaling.

Posted November 15th by Just Because
Just Because
 

Allahu Akbar has come out of the mouths of terrorists, and "white lives matter" comes out of the mouths of triggered idiots.

My point wasn't to diminish the threat terrorism poses in comparison, but to show that each phrase comes with a context. Whether in an airport or at a rally, one can usually divine that the person saying either is up to no good without having to do further research on them.

Posted November 15th by Just Because
Just Because
 

because the intent doesn't really change anything. yes, the people who reacted were wrong about the reasons for the flyers, but they correctly deduced that suspicious flyers were posted for ulterior motives.

"The intent behind the flyers doesn't matter. Yes, it's true that people incorrectly guessed the intent behind the flyers, but they correctly guessed the underlying intent behind the flyers."

The double talk in these two sentences is unreal.

I don't really know what the politics of 4chan are like, but again, that's the part that doesn't matter within the context of this conversation. We know what they did and why they did it, and that's in part because they told us. "It's okay to be white." is not racist even if said by a racist. The only "motive" or "intent" was to fish for racial anxieties and it just so happens that they did so successfully. There's no twisting this into anything else.

Don't be daft. They all missed the point.

You actually think it's a good point to tell someone that the lives of black Americans have value, as if that's something they need to hear. That you don't think this is condescending or insulting suggests that you're comfortable with moral grandstanding and with talking down to those you perceive as not having the faculties to otherwise recognize what it patently obvious. But that leaves the question as to why white people on social media or attending football games are the ones in need of this proselytizing when black Americans are almost always victimized by other black Americans. The answer, of course, is that BLM and its defenders are more interested in fictitious victim narratives than they are the actual problems facing black Americans living in our inner cities, not that University attending cultural marxists (with any color of skin) would know anything about being victimized.

Posted November 16th by Famov
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