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Biblical definition of Love
Posted: Posted November 12th, 2017
Edited November 12th, 2017 by Kaot0

Contrary to the wild emotional enrapturement we most commonly associate with "love", the bible's definitions is quite different:

1 Corinthians 13:1-13

1 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.



Romans 12:1-21 demonstrates the biblical definition of Love in action

1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.
2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Humble Service in the Body of Christ
3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.
4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function,
5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.
6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith;
7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach;
8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
Love in Action
9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves.
11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord.
12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.
13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.
15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn.
16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone.
18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.
20 On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.



Please discuss. Do you agree with these definitions? why or why not?

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Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone.

lmao

Good luck with that.

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”

I assume this means that he will feel guilty for being mean to you or something. Of course, these days, we know that those we consider friends and family can be toxic and at best you could be enabling a sociopath who will just use you up and spit you out.


Posted December 25th, 2017 by Recalescent Ghost
Recalescent Ghost
 

By 'everyone' I assume the passage means (brethren) those who belong to the faith, not encouraging us to be people-pleasers bereft of discernment.

I assume this means that he will feel guilty for being mean to you or something.


It is to lend God's unearned mercy to even those who hate Him. He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked.

If some bad dude is a bad dude and does a lot of bad stuff his entire life and is now on the street 'cos he's used his family, friends, kids, etc. and now he's asking for money to get drugs/eat food and he's begging a Christian and the Christian gives him some money to keep his body alive, and then he gets that money and in his heart goes "Gawd, Christians are such stupid chumps. Can always count on those losers to get my fix" what is happening in the spiritual life of this man, do you think? What is happening with his soul?

That person's destruction is assured, because at judgement God will be able to say many times over that His servants worked His mercy upon the undeserving, and the reprobate continued to scorn Him and trample on the blood of his son. They will not be able to repent then.

[Hebrews 10:29...How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?..]

Posted January 2nd by Kaot0
Kaot0

By 'everyone' I assume the passage means (brethren) those who belong to the faith

I don't think it matters what the faith is, man. Say three Christians are poisoned, and there are two doses of antidote. Hell, let's up the ante. Say their children are the ones that are poisoned. Sometimes "right" isn't an available option.

Can always count on those losers to get my fix" what is happening in the spiritual life of this man, do you think? What is happening with his soul?

I'm missing the part where you're doing anyone any good? Like I said, you're enabling. Assisting in this man's self-destruction, and you think that's virtuous?

That person's destruction is assured

Maybe not, sometimes when you leave someone out to dry, their survival instincts will kick in and they will actually help themselves. Sometimes. That's the point. There is no (easy) way to know. That's the problem with this sort of maxim-based morality. It would have you believe that there are shortcuts out of thinking about the intricacies of a situation. What may be the right decision in one situation may be very very wrong in a situation that appears similar on the surface.

Posted January 3rd by Recalescent Ghost
Recalescent Ghost
 

I don't think it matters what the faith is, man. Say three Christians are poisoned, and there are two doses of antidote. Hell, let's up the ante. Say their children are the ones that are poisoned. Sometimes "right" isn't an available option.


True. The world is often one big gray area.

Romans 12:17 says to "be careful" and Romans 12:18 says "as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone". These are entreaties, not commandments. We cannot control the intentions and actions of others, nor does God expect us to, though we are compelled as much as is within our power to be upright in the sight of others so that our light may shine through.

[Matthew 5:14-16...You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a basket. Instead, they set it on a lampstand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven...]

I'm missing the part where you're doing anyone any good? Like I said, you're enabling. Assisting in this man's self-destruction, and you think that's virtuous?


Well, for one, the Christian person could be naive and really believe the rotten beggar will use that money to buy food. Christians can be naive too, ya'know. But you're right, we're not supposed to enable self-destructive habits.

Maybe not, sometimes when you leave someone out to dry, their survival instincts will kick in and they will actually help themselves. Sometimes. That's the point. There is no (easy) way to know.


Right, it is not for us to know what God's will for another may be, not even those closest to us, we can only encourage and pray for one another.

I am still compelled to give to those who ask of me, as per the following—

[Luke 6:30-36]
30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back.
31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that.
34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full.
35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.
36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

———

That's the problem with this sort of maxim-based morality. It would have you believe that there are shortcuts out of thinking about the intricacies of a situation. What may be the right decision in one situation may be very very wrong in a situation that appears similar on the surface.


Right, this is why we must take up our cross and acknowledge our Savior daily, walk in sanctification, looking to Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith [Hebrews 12:2] and continue in Him in obedience [Romans 12:2]..."to be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will..."

That may sound simplistic, but the more we learn, discuss, retain the instructions of Christ from His word (primarily Gospels and New Testament) the more understanding and wise we become, and the better equipped we are to deal with situations that are so complex.

[John 1:1-2]
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.

Christ is known as the Word. The Bible is also known as the Word. The Gospel of John opens up with this fundamental Christian truth: the Word was made Flesh.

[John 1:14]
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

What is this Word spoken by God? The path to everlasting life through Christ Jesus, who is the bread of life, which nourishes our souls.

[John 6:35]
Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.

[Matthew 4:4]
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"

[John 6:50-51]
50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven so that anyone may eat of it and not die.
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And this bread, which I will give for the life of the world, is My flesh.”

Edited January 3rd by Kaot0
Kaot0

That may sound simplistic, but the more we learn, discuss, retain the instructions of Christ from His word (primarily Gospels and New Testament) the more understanding and wise we become, and the better equipped we are to deal with situations that are so complex.

Mmm, maybe. In theory. Or you could accidentally start reading into Scriptures whatever you need to to affirm your own virtue. For example, what if you do keep enabling someone's self destructive habits. You may not ever feel compelled to change your approach because you keep thinking that you're following what Scripture says that you should do. And from what I can tell, you wouldn't be wrong. And if you do change your approach, what stops another Christian from pointing to Scripture and declaring your decision a loss of faith? So at what point does it go from being "I'm aligning myself with Scripture" to "in my opinion, I'm aligning myself with Scripture." And is a Christian saying "in my opinion, I'm aligning myself with Scripture" any better than an atheist saying "in my opinion, I'm doing the right thing"? In other words, when ethics moves beyond the level that you can teach a f*cking child, is a religious person really that much better off than a non-religious person?

Posted January 5th by Recalescent Ghost
Recalescent Ghost
 

Thank you for reposting passages that have been translated, retranslated, re-retranslated and re-re-retranslated.

So, what do we do?

2 Corinthians 13:1 out of the mouths of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. (KJV)

We need another witness besides the Bible. Any ideas? I have one.

Posted January 6th by GC/MS
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