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when im applying to jobs and bringing my cover letters and such would it be better for me to not include a resume or to bring one which is a thinly-veiled statement of “the amount of education, exp, and marketable skills i have is approximately zero”?

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In my experience cover letters are not as important as tailoring your resume to match the job you are applying for. A lot of jobs will list what they are looking for as far as qualifications, experience and education. Make sure your resume gives the information that matches that and leave off things that are not relevant to what they are looking for.

And at the bottom add some things that you are proficient at like using microsoft word, powerpoint, excell, outlook. Things like that.

Posted November 6th by Q
Q
 

Also, when you list your previous jobs list things that you have done that seem related to the tasks they are looking for. I've had to learn this coming from Active Duty in the army to civilian jobs.

Posted November 6th by Q
Q
 

ty Q. :) the problem isnt really that idk how to make a resume... i just dont have a lot to put on it. i havent had a job before. and im a high school dropout. and im not skilled or proficient in anything

Posted November 6th by susurrous
susurrous
 

That is going to limit your search. Have you thought about going back for your GED?

Posted November 6th by Q
Q
 

yeah ive tried a few times im too stupid to pass

Posted November 6th by susurrous
susurrous
 

I seriously doubt you are. You probably just learn a different way.

Posted November 6th by Q
Q
 

I agree with Q. I mean I don't know you all that well but from what I've seen from you on here you seem fairly intelligent. Certainly intelligent enough to pass a test on basic fundamentals.

You may be a bad test taker. I absolutely hate standardized tests.

Posted November 6th by Vandy
Vandy

ty both v much

truthfully even if i could con someone into giving me a job
i wont be able to hold it for long
so it doesnt matter

Posted November 6th by susurrous
susurrous
 

i hate that i am always bringing my petty drama to gtx0 but i am having a hard time staying alive today whats the point im no good

Posted November 6th by susurrous
susurrous
 

Standardized testing fucking sucks, so I wouldn't worry about being "stupid" because of shit like that.

A lot of places do require (on paper, at least) a GED, though.

Quick question, just so I have a better idea of your situation. What state do you live in? You don't have to answer if you're not comfortable.

Posted November 6th by nullfather
nullfather

idaho

Posted November 6th by susurrous
susurrous
 

I'm sure something will come along.

Posted November 6th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

What I want to do is offer to pay your bus fare to get you down here to Texas and maybe get you a job in the kitchen where I work, but I'm pretty much strapped for cash. If you weren't so far away, I would definitely do it (if you wanted, of course).

Posted November 6th by nullfather
nullfather

jakob i cant hear that kind of bullshit rn from you of all people you know how fucked up i am

Posted November 6th by susurrous
susurrous
 

ty nullfather thats v generous. i dont want to put you out even if i were closer and you werent strapped. i would embarrass us both at your workplace anyway

but the gesture and thought still means a lot really ty so much

Posted November 6th by susurrous
susurrous
 

ceta im really sorry for snapping at you

Posted November 6th by susurrous
susurrous
 

No, it's ok. You're right.

Posted November 6th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

im going to go and i’ll be back tomorrow ty everyone and apologies. i hope youre all doing well

Posted November 6th by susurrous
susurrous
 

why you soo negative? thats why you not give anywhere in life when you say you would embarass nullfather work-place? and who cares what people think about you in school? no one there to think about wheter this person is tall or another person short or this person is skinny or fat. you there to learn. i have in accent in college for istnace when the professor is asked me a question, sometimes he or she is asked 'can you repeat that for me'? am not even from america you are from america you should be way ahead of the game.

Edited November 6th by Brandy
Brandy

(I'm willing to pay that bus fare. I'd be happy to. It may be worth considering.)

I'm really sorry you're doing so poorly. I think you are good, though, and sometimes just knowing you exist helps me maintain my own sanity. Did something happen in particular?

Posted November 6th by Ophelia
Ophelia

You think you could not hold onto a job for very long, yet you never had one? Sus, relax. You're too uptight about this for you to think through it rationally, which will just add to the difficulties you face while trying to pull this off.

Posted November 6th by Kohlrak
Kohlrak

Brandy, I'm not sure you understand the situation. Sus isn't in school; he was forced to drop out because of tragedies in his personal life. He's working very hard to get back on his feet and tries his best to be a positive presence for others, in spite of his many hardships.

Posted November 6th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

no brandy is the only person who gets it everything is my fault and i am a parasite
i shouldnt come here anymore

Posted November 7th by susurrous
susurrous
 

Nobody is saying that.

Posted November 7th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

it is still true

Posted November 7th by susurrous
susurrous
 

You’re impossible.

Posted November 7th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

youre right and im leaving. ive never been good for anybody. i dont believe ophelia even a little bit

Posted November 7th by susurrous
susurrous
 

Why wouldn’t you believe her? She doesn’t seem like someone who would say something she doesn’t mean.

Posted November 7th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

ive never been good for anybody.


That's not true. You have helped several people on this site with things like writing, you are also a good friend for Ceta.



Posted November 7th by Moonray
Moonray
 

No it's not. Who here has ever said something about you being a parasite or not wanting you here? On the flip side, who here has said good things about you and claimed to like you being here?

Posted November 7th by Vandy
Vandy

Moonray is right; you’ve never let me down. Vandy makes a great point too.

Posted November 7th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

no brandy is the only person who gets it


Brandy is one of the least reliable posters on this site. They can barely string together an English sentence and often misunderstand situations, as evidenced by the very post that you're reacting to.

Please do not leave the site. I say this both as a user and as an administrator. You are one of the bright spots in this place.

Posted November 7th by nullfather
nullfather

I think a lot of us would be sad to see you go. Please don't leave, unless you really want to.

Posted November 7th by Ophelia
Ophelia

Anyone else notice that Sus avoided what I said? Case in point. Too emotional to think clearly. There must be a cause to this emotion. It's most likely this thing that is holding you back, Sus.

Brandy is one of the least reliable posters on this site. They can barely string together an English sentence and often misunderstand situations, as evidenced by the very post that you're reacting to.


This is precisely why i blocked Brandy.



Posted November 7th by Kohlrak
Kohlrak

What you said didn't ask for a response.

Posted November 7th by Vandy
Vandy

No, but neither did much of anything else that he responded to. So, why would that get a pass?

Posted November 7th by Kohlrak
Kohlrak

"What I want to do is offer to pay your bus fare to get you down here to Texas and maybe get you a job in the kitchen where I work, but I'm pretty much strapped for cash. If you weren't so far away, I would definitely do it (if you wanted, of course)."

"(I'm willing to pay that bus fare. I'd be happy to. It may be worth considering.)"

i'd be willing to chip in

let me know if you change your mind about that sus

Posted November 7th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Im not in the best place financially atm but I would be willing to chip in for the move.

Posted November 7th by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

I would help too of course. You should really consider it.

Posted November 7th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

but the gesture and thought still means a lot really ty so much


If you ever change your mind, even a little bit, I'll start talking to my manager about getting you in there. And it looks like there are multiple people that would help take care of the travel expenses, which wouldn't be much when split up.

Posted November 8th by nullfather
nullfather

"(I'm willing to pay that bus fare. I'd be happy to. It may be worth considering.)"

i'd be willing to chip in

Im not in the best place financially atm but I would be willing to chip in for the move.

I would help too of course. You should really consider it.


I would also be willing to put some money in to help out if you decide to go for it :)

Posted November 8th by Moonray
Moonray
 

This is precisely why i blocked Brandy.

i dont care if you blocked me. but that is a stupid reason to block people because of their language.

also susrous. i did not call you a parasite. i said that you are negative. it is a negative way to think for instance, that nullfather's offer is a job, your answer is 'I'll embarrss you and myself" that's negative thinking and to say people are lying when they will give you money to buy a bus ticket to Texas for you. And nullfather, i do understand this situatuon. he said he dropped out of school. i said why do you care what people think of you to drop out of school? i was telling him not to worry about other people and go back to school. you only complicate your chances of making good choices for your life if you worried about small stuff like embarssing people then how you going to make choices that help your life. in school you are there to seek knowledge, not care about who is looking at you and making you embarassed. if people make you look embarssed, just filter them out or ignore them, thats what i do. but dont load yourself with student loan if your not commited but if you want to make minimum wage keep that way of thinking . plus if you can avoid getting loans for your general classes would be my advise.

Edited November 8th by Brandy
Brandy

idk where to start rn. im really really sorry abt making a scene and storming off i definitely let my feelings overcome me. i know my behavior has been adolescent and i will try to be better, calmer you deserve so much better from me

i am moved to tears by everybodys kindness i never thought i would have such good friends and your support means the world to me rn. i will never forget this moment for the rest of my life i am writing from a dark place but i am humbled by gratitude and i am uplifted. i wanted to tell you (all of you) that i know how lucky i am to have you in my life i really am blessed and i feel that in my heart. and knowing that there are ppl out there somewhere that care abt me is truly an immense comfort and i never want to take any of you for granted

so i am deeply sorry to the ppl i brushed off. Ophelia i do appreciate your words of sympathy v much and i am so sorry i said i didnt believe you. the problem is my own failing to see good things in me and has nothing to do w you. your kindness does mean a lot, i promise

Q, Vandy, and nullfather i wanted to say ty for affirming my intelligence in spite of my academic failings. my intelligence is something i am v insecure abt but i think you are right... im a bad test-taker and standardized tests are a p foolish guideline by which to measure my worth anyway

Moonray, Vandy, Ophelia, Ceta, and nullfather ty all for trying to help me see my value and see what i can offer this community. ty for telling me to stay on this site hearing your words helped a lot and helped me calm down. i won't leave or if i do it will be just to clear my head im sorry that i got so worked up

Brandy and Kohlrak i appreciate you both calling me out in your separate ways. Kohlrak you are right that i am letting my emotions and anxieties control me far too much. i am sorry that you felt like i was avoiding your reply... that truly wasnt my intention i was just a little overwhelmed at the time. Brandy you are also right that i am being too negative. my past experiences make it hard for me to trust in my abilities but i shouldnt give up on things before i even try them.

Ophelia, poptart!, S.O.H., Ceta, Moonray, and nullfather esp... ty so so much for your offer to help me get to texas. i really dont take offerings of money lightly your selflessness really inspires me. knowing that you have my back and are willing to help take care of me makes me feel something so deeply that it hurts. i will reach out in the next day or two if i need to accept your offers

nullfather to address you specifically for a moment im prbably sounding like a broken record by now but im so grateful for what you are offering it's really the first reason ive had for hope in a while. can i get back you either tomorrow or the next day on whether or not i would like you to ask your manager abt me? earlier today i pulled kind of a "hail mary" and if for some reason it works out it will be less expensive than going to texas

ty everyone

Posted November 8th by susurrous
susurrous
 

the problem is my own failing to see good things in me and has nothing to do w you.


Well, this means one of two things, either you're blind to your accomplishments, or you now know something about yourself you can change. If you think there is nothing you do that is a good thing, then it should be easy to find at least one thing in your life to change and improve upon to change the outlook altogether. I'm willing to bet, though, this is more reactionary than you honestly feeling like you don't do any good, because you didn't find a way to do things that you automatically see as good.

Normally, people do exactly what they think is the best way to live, which is why we get hostile at those who do not live exactly like us. Obviously, they're doing it wrong, because they're not doing exactly what we're doing, and if we weren't doing the best thing, we'd change. And if that person's doing better than you, that means they must've somehow did something evil to end up better than you, since they aren't better than you, right?

This is why humans hate cultures that are different from their own. Cultures get more hatred if they have views that are in direct conflict (for example, in the west, cleavage is encouraged in the young female population to help them attract males, while in the middle-east it's burqa or bust [other type of bust]). It sounds to me like you are different enough from everyone else around you that they have to point it out to you alot, and you are sick of the droning and it's making you angry, especially if they treat you in a way that keeps you from getting something you want: perhaps a job. Am I correct?

Posted November 8th by Kohlrak
Kohlrak

Well, this means one of two things, either you're blind to your accomplishments, or you now know something about yourself you can change. If you think there is nothing you do that is a good thing, then it should be easy to find at least one thing in your life to change and improve upon to change the outlook altogether. I'm willing to bet, though, this is more reactionary than you honestly feeling like you don't do any good, because you didn't find a way to do things that you automatically see as good.

youre rigth i have a lot of opportunities for changing and getting better :)

Normally, people do exactly what they think is the best way to live, which is why we get hostile at those who do not live exactly like us. Obviously, they're doing it wrong, because they're not doing exactly what we're doing, and if we weren't doing the best thing, we'd change. And if that person's doing better than you, that means they must've somehow did something evil to end up better than you, since they aren't better than you, right?


This is why humans hate cultures that are different from their own. Cultures get more hatred if they have views that are in direct conflict (for example, in the west, cleavage is encouraged in the young female population to help them attract males, while in the middle-east it's burqa or bust [other type of bust]).

that is an interesting perspective i understand the internal logic of it

It sounds to me like you are different enough from everyone else around you that they have to point it out to you alot, and you are sick of the droning and it's making you angry, especially if they treat you in a way that keeps you from getting something you want: perhaps a job. Am I correct?

you are to a degree why do you ask?

Posted November 8th by susurrous
susurrous
 

If i'm right, then i've most likely seen this sort of situation enough times to know what kinds of solutions there usually are. And, since i was able to predict the situation based on a bit of knowledge, then knowing a bit more info reasonably concludes that i probably also know one of the solutions most likely to help you out of it. That's not to say that i can give you the exact solution or outlook that you're looking for, but I doubt you'll maintain this bleak outlook if looking at it more properly. The issue at hand is, you view yourself differently than others do, and instead of standing up for what you believe in, you're letting others put you down. I'm not saying that might not somehow be a good thing (most people say it's not, but it can be a good thing, and it can be a bad thing, it just really depends on the situation), but the issue is, you're not as alike those around you as those around you would like you to be. As such, you're getting flack and trouble that you feel you don't deserve, thus you feel the need to lash out everywhere, because of the famous "loud minority" illusion. I used to deal with this alot, as any time i'd join a new community, one or two vocal members would scare me away, only for me to realize they were a horrible representation of the community. You're just at a stage where you're blowing up at more than just one community because you get excited easily (which comes from not having a realistic view of what's actually happening).

TL;DR: you don't actually believe no good comes from you, you just want certain individuals off your back, so the only way you know how to fix the problem is to have an emotional event towards everyone. Maybe these people have too much control over you.

Edited November 8th by Kohlrak
Kohlrak

can i get back you either tomorrow or the next day on whether or not i would like you to ask your manager abt me? earlier today i pulled kind of a "hail mary" and if for some reason it works out it will be less expensive than going to texas


I hope your thing works out for you. But if it doesn't and you're interested in my offer, just say the word. I already probed him vaguely about having another nonspecific guy and he said that someone that could work Thursday nights and Sunday mornings (i.e. really easy shifts that just need to get filled in because we're understaffed), he would absolutely want them.

Posted November 8th by nullfather
nullfather

I want to get back to the original point of this post, resume building and looking for a job.

when im applying to jobs and bringing my cover letters and such would it be better for me to not include a resume or to bring one which is a thinly-veiled statement of “the amount of education, exp, and marketable skills i have is approximately zero”?

It really does depend on the job.

Considering you don't have much to show on your resume, and you'll probably be looking for jobs maybe minimum wage or not requiring much experience, you probably don't need a cover letter.

However, a cover letter is useful in giving an explanation to information, or lack of information, on the resume. So if you're worried about the impression your resume will give off because it lacks experience and education, you can use a cover letter to explain your interest, willingness to work, and anything else you think would be helpful to include but doesn't get expressed in the resume. If you want, me and Im sure anybody here would be willing to work with you to develop a good, brief cover letter.

Right now it seems like you're just working on getting a job and developing experience. I really think that going into every local business, talking to the manager and being able to give off a positive impression even when it's just you asking for an application/interview is really important. That means working on your confidence.

Posted November 9th by Agis
Agis
 

This is kind of a tangent (@sus), but it turns out it's actually harder to pass the GED than it is to pass high school. According to the most recent data, only about 70% of high school graduates can actually pass the GED. So you might still be smarter than people who have graduated.

For the record, I still think you're smarter than I am.

Posted November 9th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

I for one do not consider a diploma as an indicator of intelligence. I know quite a few people with "College" education that have no real intelligence. It's just something that is required to be able to get decent jobs is all.

Posted November 9th by Q
Q
 

(Also for the record, I agree with Q — most probably do).

Posted November 9th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

about 70% of high school graduates can actually pass the GED. So you might still be smarter than people who have graduated.


what's the sample?

That said, sus, you have a great resource for studying for this GED: the internet. You have special technology to help you beat the system that the system hasn't figured out how to use, yet.

Posted November 9th by Kohlrak
Kohlrak

so whats up with all that tough talk u had earlier, where all that at?.... oh i thought so..

Edited November 9th by Brandy
Brandy

Brandy, that kind of post is not helpful and can create a hostile atmosphere. Please try to avoid petty drama - for everyone's sake.

Posted November 9th by nullfather
nullfather

@Kohlrak – i appreciate your deconstruction of my situation it truly means a lot that you are putting effort into understanding why i may behave inappropriately (rather than simply writing me off). i am pondering some of the details of your assessment right now. you say that perhaps i want certain individuals off my back, but idk who those people might be specifically. i do think that the experience of feeling vulnerable to others being able to control me has been a theme in my lifetime so far. it is something for me to think about, ty. i do hope i can correct my perception and not lash out anymore

@nullfather – i think it turns out "my thing" could work out and i wont need to put this burden on you... i will tell you more and make a post later...

@Agis – ty v much for your advice on job-searching. i understand what you are saying about the utility of a cover letter, in my case. that so far is what i have been doing: handing in my sad resume but including a cover letter to try to bolster my appeal to employers. Cetasaurus has been helping me vet these letters but i might take you up on your offer to also take a look at them, if thats okay... you seem like you would offer some great insights. i also have been going into businesses and trying to speak w the managers, but you are also correct that my lack of confidence isnt doing me favors lol i will work on it more, w more focus

@Cetasaurus – i'd found a similar statistic online once (maybe we were looking at the same thing). i am v grateful for your continued belief in my abilities

@Q – ty as well :)

@Kohlrak again – ive been using many internet resources for a long time to help me w the test. ty for the suggestion

@Brandy – im sorry if i said something earlier that offended you or made me seem unreasonable. it isnt my intention to be tough w anybody. i hope that you will forgive me for being so negative before but i understand if you dont want to. you were right to call me out and i really am grateful for your input

Posted November 10th by susurrous
susurrous
 

@nullfather – i think it turns out "my thing" could work out and i wont need to put this burden on you... i will tell you more and make a post later...


Cool! I really hope it goes well for you.

Posted November 10th by nullfather
nullfather

ty! :)

Posted November 10th by susurrous
susurrous
 

Alright man, let me know.

Posted November 11th by Agis
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