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The first official trailer for The Last Jedi! (Technically second but they call the first one a teaser).

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Definitely a lot less vague than the last trailer. Shows a lot of insight to a comparison/contrast between Rey and Kylo Ren. Luke also seems genuinely shocked at Rey's strength and says it scares him. This makes me wonder if the reason Luke went into hiding is because Kylo Ren was actually just too strong for him.

Nice to see Snoke is actually physically present, and definitely nowhere near as huge as his hologram made him appear.

Whatever the case, I hope we get to see one last awesome lightsaber fight featuring Luke before they (potentially) off him.

Posted October 11th by Trever Leingod
Trever Leingod

I don't know if I would like the idea of Luke running away just because Kylo is stronger (if that even turns out to be true).

I suspect his reason for hiding probably has something to do with Snoke or the loss of all his padawans sending him into a sort of depression or something. It is really odd however that of all the places he chose to hide, he went to the "First Jedi Temple". That's quite a specific place to go just to hide. There's definitely go to be more to that story than just ran away and hid.

Whatever the case, I hope we get to see one last awesome lightsaber fight featuring Luke before they (potentially) off him.


Rumour is he gets a pretty good one.

Posted October 11th by Moonray
Moonray
 

That line from Luke made me roll my eyes. Luke has met Yoda, Darth Vader, and the Emperor...but apparently Kylo and Rey are just so "special" that they have more raw strength than any of them. I'm pretty tired of this "chosen one" business--why can't they simply have a lot of potential, rather than being the best ever? We just had a "best ever" in Vader!

Aside from that, I do like that they're drawing all these parallels between Rey and Kylo. That comparison should be a huge part of these movies going forward. Agreed that there's gotta be more to Luke's disappearance than just him being afraid of Kylo Ren--it's not in his character to run away and abandon his friends because of fear (the exact opposite, actually--in the OT, he was too brave for his own good!).

Was pretty brutal to see Carrie Fisher in that trailer. Glad she was able to play the role in this one, though.

Posted October 11th by white lancer
white lancer
 

Luke has met all three of them, yes, but the Emperor never showed much of his force powers in ROTJ. Vader's force skills were greatly diminished compared to that of Anakin Skywalker, and Yoda hadn't shown as much power in the force as these two. He has more skill with it, but not as much power. Also, considering that Kylo is a Skywalker, it ma ked sense his potential would be greater than most padawans. No one is saying they're the chosen ones, nor does it seem like they are

Posted October 12th by -Riku-
-Riku-
 

I think his point is they were powerful and they did demonstrate it to Luke. Why do Kylo and Rey need to be "special" and somehow cause fear in Luke in this way?

No one is saying they're the chosen ones, nor does it seem like they are


Not really the point. He's saying why do these people have to be special in these ways? Why could Anakin not just be some dude who turns evil. Why can't Kylo and Rey not just be people who happen to be good at the Force as opposed to having some built in extra power that makes them special.

but apparently Kylo and Rey are just so "special" that they have more raw strength than any of them.


I actually don't think Kylo is going to be anything special. I believe Snoke's lines in this trailer are directed at Rey (they seem to have a confrontation shown later in the trailer) and I think Luke is actually referring to someone like Vader as being the previous person who had "raw power". I think the way the story is going to go is something like Snoke chose Kylo because he thought a descendant of Anakin/Vader would be powerful but it's going to turn out Kylo isn't special and that Rey is actually the person he wants/needs for whatever he is up to... Which will be what sets Kylo on a path to redemption or anti-hero statues or something.

Also the end of this trailer stinks of clever editing. We don't actually see Rey and Kylo together we just see two shots of them "facing someone" and they look to be in different places to me. I think Rey's line is to either Luke or some unknown character on the Ireland planet (again, why is Luke hiding at the First Jedi Temple, is there someone/something there). While Kylo's scene is somewhere else in the film.

Posted October 12th by Moonray
Moonray
 

A popular theory is that both Ben and Rey will become Grey Jedi

Posted October 12th by -Riku-
-Riku-
 

Yeah, Redack's hit on my points. I just think you can have these characters be talented, powerful, and important without being special, and I think them being special actually takes away from their character.

I actually don't think Kylo is going to be anything special...and I think Luke is actually referring to someone like Vader as being the previous person who had "raw power".


That's an interesting theory, and I guess it makes some sense (I like the idea that Snoke becomes dissatisfied with Kylo's potential and makes a move on Rey instead). Only thing that makes me question it is the part about how the raw power didn't scare Luke before, which would be a weird thing to say if it were applied to Vader's raw power rather than Kylo's before he fell.

100% agree about the clever editing bit. A friend and I were watching this at halftime, and we both thought there were plenty of red herrings in the trailer. Particularly that last scene--if it's really just Rey talking to Kylo straight-up, then they've definitely revealed too much. She's gotta either be talking to someone else (Luke, Snoke, someone else), or she's setting Kylo or Snoke up for some sort of trap, or something. Chances of that line actually meaning she's falling to the dark side and joining Snoke/Kylo are close to zero in my mind.

Posted October 12th by white lancer
white lancer
 

Only thing that makes me question it is the part about how the raw power didn't scare Luke before, which would be a weird thing to say if it were applied to Vader's raw power rather than Kylo's before he fell.


Yea that's true. The main reason I am leaning on it being Vader is because I feel like they're setting up for some kind of "Chosen One" idea where it gets passed to people or something. She refers to feeling a power awakening within her (we've never heard the Force referred to in this way) and that she is going to be the one who "restores balance" in the really stupid sense that everyone imaged it to be (equal light and dark) as opposed to the "calming the storm" sense that was always meant... But realistically he could mean Palpatine, as he didn't demonstrate fear of him and then nearly died from it.

It's not my best theory and I really hope they don't go down the route of making Kylo or Rey too special because, similar to what you said, for me that just makes them less interesting.

A popular theory is that both Ben and Rey will become Grey Jedi


Yea several of us on here suggested as much too. It seems to be the direction the franchise is heading, they've sort of been pushing that type of narrative in the Rebels show and with the line from Luke in the last trailer about the Jedi needing to end it sort of implies they may go that way.

(I like the idea that Snoke becomes dissatisfied with Kylo's potential and makes a move on Rey instead)


I definitely want this to be how Kylo's story goes regardless of what they do with Rey. For a start han warned him about this happening shortly before Kylo killed him, so for it to then happen I think would be this big "My dad tried to warn me about this and I killed him" realisation moment for the character. It would also, imo, be a good way to set Snoke up as being an evil meanie guy thing.

A lot of it does also hinge on what Snoke's motivations are. All we really know about the guy is that he's a bad guy. The novels are suggesting that he came from the Unknown Regions (or beyond) and a couple have setup that Palpatine was sensing some sort of Dark Side related power in the Unknown Regions... Beyond that though we know nothing. Though there are some interesting rumours around about his origins.



Posted October 12th by Moonray
Moonray
 

Kylo does have raw power, though. Or have we forgotten the opening scene of TFA with the blaster bolt

Posted October 12th by -Riku-
-Riku-
 

I don't know if I would like the idea of Luke running away just because Kylo is stronger (if that even turns out to be true).

I suspect his reason for hiding probably has something to do with Snoke or the loss of all his padawans sending him into a sort of depression or something. It is really odd however that of all the places he chose to hide, he went to the "First Jedi Temple". That's quite a specific place to go just to hide. There's definitely go to be more to that story than just ran away and hid.

I don't like the idea either, but I think it being that or perhaps a mix of "I would likely have to fight Snoke AND Kylo Ren together and I just couldn't win" would be better than a Jedi going into a depression over losing his Padawans, while leaving the rest of the galaxy to rot. It would have something more complicated than fear or depression, and something relating to finding a way to defeat the First Order - like as you said, something or someone in the First Jedi Temple.

Rumour is he gets a pretty good one (lightsaber fight).

Here's to hoping.

That line from Luke made me roll my eyes. Luke has met Yoda, Darth Vader, and the Emperor...but apparently Kylo and Rey are just so "special" that they have more raw strength than any of them. I'm pretty tired of this "chosen one" business--why can't they simply have a lot of potential, rather than being the best ever? We just had a "best ever" in Vader!

The others may have had more skill and better training, but neither Rey or Kylo Ben (hehehe) are old or crippled. They are in their prime of life and yet to be fully trained. I did get the impression that Kylo Ren did indeed perhaps have more raw power than even Vader had, it's just far less disciplined. I refer the way Kylo Ren just held a laser shot suspended without even looking at it, the way he just read minds and made people pass out so effortlessly. This is power we never saw Anakin or Vader display, though perhaps Abrams just wanted to show off some new cool feats that the previous films did not have.

I am also in the same boat as Riku, I'm not sure they are "chosen" or "special" beyond the fact they are so powerful. We know Kylo inherited Anakin's powerful genes, but yet to discover Rey's heritage.

That's an interesting theory, and I guess it makes some sense (I like the idea that Snoke becomes dissatisfied with Kylo's potential and makes a move on Rey instead). Only thing that makes me question it is the part about how the raw power didn't scare Luke before, which would be a weird thing to say if it were applied to Vader's raw power rather than Kylo's before he fell.

That stood out to me too, it wouldn't make sense he was referring to Vader because he was clearly feeling some fear the first time he faced Vader. It would make more sense if his first encounter of this raw power was with his nephew, who he probably had no reason to fear at the time.

Also the end of this trailer stinks of clever editing. We don't actually see Rey and Kylo together we just see two shots of them "facing someone" and they look to be in different places to me. I think Rey's line is to either Luke or some unknown character on the Ireland planet (again, why is Luke hiding at the First Jedi Temple, is there someone/something there). While Kylo's scene is somewhere else in the film.

I agree that a lot of the trailer is chopped up, in a likely deceptive way. Especially the part where you see Snoke's face and then Rey being suspended in the air - seems like it could be cut from different scenes (though who knows why except maybe to hint at a Rey/Snoke confrontation that may not happen).

That's an interesting theory, and I guess it makes some sense (I like the idea that Snoke becomes dissatisfied with Kylo's potential and makes a move on Rey instead).

That would be a callback to Palpatine constantly replacing his apprentice, which would ultimately just be an annoying repetition to the previous movies instead of an interesting development. It makes a lot more sense to have multiple powerful underlings, and Kylo Ben is definitely powerful, even if Rey, in the long run, is stronger.

Yea that's true. The main reason I am leaning on it being Vader is because I feel like they're setting up for some kind of "Chosen One" idea where it gets passed to people or something. She refers to feeling a power awakening within her (we've never heard the Force referred to in this way) and that she is going to be the one who "restores balance" in the really stupid sense that everyone imaged it to be (equal light and dark) as opposed to the "calming the storm" sense that was always meant... But realistically he could mean Palpatine, as he didn't demonstrate fear of him and then nearly died from it.

I think that would detract from the original story A LOT if they completely just ignored the purpose of the prophecy and just redefined what the balance was. They are definitely referring to the balance again in these trailers, but hopefully it's more about "finishing what (Anakin/Vader) started" and ensuring the balance sticks, rather than Rey and/or Ben are now the chosen ones.
Also Luke didn't see any display of Palpatine's power until he was being hit with Force Lightning, at which point, he certainly seem afraid of dying. The most logical conclusion for who else he is referencing - definitely Kylo Ben.

I definitely want this to be how Kylo's story goes regardless of what they do with Rey. For a start han warned him about this happening shortly before Kylo killed him, so for it to then happen I think would be this big "My dad tried to warn me about this and I killed him" realisation moment for the character. It would also, imo, be a good way to set Snoke up as being an evil meanie guy thing.

I want both Kylo and Rey to have their full backstory explored. If not fully revealed in this one, then definitely in E9. They can even split them between the movies to leave us wanting for more.

A lot of it does also hinge on what Snoke's motivations are. All we really know about the guy is that he's a bad guy. The novels are suggesting that he came from the Unknown Regions (or beyond) and a couple have setup that Palpatine was sensing some sort of Dark Side related power in the Unknown Regions... Beyond that though we know nothing. Though there are some interesting rumours around about his origins.

He is definitely the biggest mystery of them all. The theories on who or what he is have been extensive.

Edited October 16th by Trever Leingod
Trever Leingod

One more thing to note about Luke's comment about the raw strength:

While he is saying it, it actually shows him under rumble and breaking through it with his artificial hand, then coming up out of it and crashing to his knees as he sees what appears to be his destroyed temple. Could be more clever editing, but it is worth noting from this trailer it's definitely insinuating he is referring to Kylo.

Posted October 31st by Trever Leingod
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