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Edited October 3rd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I apologize for borking the thread split.

I don't apologize for splitting the abstract gun policy subject from the news thread.

Posted October 2nd by nullfather
nullfather

Generally threads shouldn’t be split imo unless they are really off track. Seems like the gun policy would have been okay.

Posted October 2nd by Helius
Helius

I didn't read the thread in question but I'd say that gun policy topics would be related to an event where guns were used to inflict mass casualties.

Posted October 2nd by Q
Q
 

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Edited October 3rd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

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Edited October 3rd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Fair enough. I wasn't very far over the fence about the very abstract policy argument being related to this one event. I will accept reversal of my decision and I apologize for my zeal.

Posted October 2nd by nullfather
nullfather

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Edited October 3rd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

But now there is no context for my rant. Nothing to reply to. I am just angry and there is nothing for me to talk about.


Xhin says that he's on top of the situation and that he'll do something about it tomorrow.

You guys need to stop splitting posts and moving replies around and editing replies.


Splitting threads is a completely reasonable action to take with threads that have been legitimately derailed. However, I understand that the issue of gun control is not precisely derailing the thread.

Mainly, I just find it annoying to click a link that's about a single news item and then have to scroll through 50-100 replies arguing about exactly what the psychology of a citizen with a gun is to find tidbits of information about the actual event.

If I had realized how amazingly fucked the post was going to get by me attempting to split it with a mod tool that I've now heard is buggy, I would have passed it by without a second thought. Although it also didn't help that my suggestion to preemptively move general gun policy into its own neat little home was rebuffed as an attempt to keep someone from speaking their mind on the subject, which somewhat spurred my interest.

Anyway, I understand how you feel about this type of moderation policy now and I will remember this in the future. It will inform any further decisions about what does or does not constitute derailment. Again, I apologize for unceremoniously deporting your conversation to Hell.

Edited October 3rd by nullfather
nullfather

So I get that you've accepted it was the wrong thing to do, etc, but:

Mainly, I just find it annoying to click a link that's about a single news item and then have to scroll through 50-100 replies arguing about exactly what the psychology of a citizen with a gun is to find tidbits of information about the actual event.


I don't really think this is how moderation should be working- based on what annoys one particular mod/admin, because otherwise the rules don't really matter anymore.

However perhaps a compromise to appease people who find it annoying would be to create a new "News" type of post that allows people to contribute updated information to the news- which would take prominence below the OP but above all replies, but then allow for regular replies to discuss the news & branch off into whatever direction that discussion takes them.

Posted October 3rd by Moonray
Moonray
 

You know, prehaps null is right. That thread should have been reserved for the events of the shooting itself out of respect for the tragedy. Theories and sidebars should have been reserved for a different thread.

Posted October 3rd by #85
#85

If you mean the theories like speculating a motive or lack of one that's going too far. Besides, you were doing that too before the posts were removed. As for sidebars, I see nothing wrong with that especially when all that can be said, will be said regardless of the existence of sidebars. All information should be put out there.

Edited October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

Mainly, I just find it annoying to click a link that's about a single news item and then have to scroll through 50-100 replies arguing about exactly what the psychology of a citizen with a gun is to find tidbits of information about the actual event.

That was what was happening with the gun debates, there was hardly even any actual discussion on the psychology of him.

Posted October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

Anyway, since this is my thread I have a closing remark. I am done. Once and for all. Not because of anyone's personality but because this site has a culture I absolutely despise. Too many mods, most of them idiots in the moment, and a member like myself is always at your full mercy. Even though I have been around as long as anyone. I don't know why I didn't say something sooner. It disgusts me. And no I don't want to be a mod myself. In fact I don't give a shit anymore. My care or ambition for posting here has been completely numbed.

Edited October 3rd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I mean, he made a mistake. Don't you think you're over dramatising it just a little?

Posted October 3rd by Moonray
Moonray
 

It's perfectly reasonable to want a separate posts for the event itself and another for theories and discussions about gun laws in a different post. This wouldn't be an issue if the splitting tool had done what it was supposed to.

Posted October 3rd by Vandy
Vandy

Here we go again. Mufasa, nullfather apologized for his error, though his reasoning isn't that ubsurd. Why is it always such extremes with you? Your original post was split, not erased. He wasn't trying to silence you, he simply tried to create a separate topic about gun policies. I agreed it made sense for them in relation to the tragic event but if there are way more replies about that topic than the OP then maybe it should have had a separate thread so other people would know what was being discussed without have to read a ton of replies.

You need a mood stabilizer or something to cool your jets man.

Edited October 3rd by Q
Q
 

this site has a culture I absolutely despise. Too many mods, most of them idiots in the moment, and a member like myself is always at your full mercy.


This is pretty absurd, given that moderator reform is right around the corner. After the global rule update, moderator distribution is one of the first things the Content Team is going to be addressing.

Posted October 3rd by nullfather
nullfather

I say we all get back to talking about video games.

Posted October 3rd by Q
Q
 

This incident was my bad. Split tool has apparently been broken for a while, and new thing is posts couldn't be moved away from hell so the posts were just stuck there. Additionally my internet was gone and my phone ran out of data so I couldn't fix anything until today.

I've restored the post, fixed most of the issues, and will be fixing the other issues.

If this happens again for whatever reason (GTX0 is a like a pair of pants made half out of designer dress pants and half out of old tattered jeans) you should be able to at least access the posts here:
http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=0
I've fixed the ability for things to get moved out of there so whatever the glitch happens that causes it people that aren't me should be able to fix it. But hopefully glitches like that won't happen anytime soon.

Splitting policy

My policy for splits is to keep conversations separate in highly active threads if there's more than one conversation active in a thread. This keeps the site a lot neater and prevents headaches.

If one conversation has simply shifted to a different conversation then splitting the thread isn't necessary, but the gun control thread was probably a case where there were two simultaneous conversations in there.

One time not long ago a conversation actually spawned THREE conversations, though the third conversation was nothing more than a treatise on the benefits of nullfather's tits.

Xhin out.

Posted October 3rd by Xhin
Xhin
 

@Xhin

I will take that global ip ban until April 2nd if you don't mind.

I know name bans are pointless technically speaking but can you also ban I killed Mufasa and Red Leaf as names until April 2nd?

Edited October 3rd by I Killed Mufasa
I Killed Mufasa
 

this one

Posted October 3rd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

How about just leave? It's not hard. I honestly don't mean to sound like an asshole too much but this whole "ban my IP" meme is ridiculous.

Posted October 3rd by Chain Chomp
Chain Chomp

Pretty much ^

Posted October 3rd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

One time not long ago a conversation actually spawned THREE conversations, though the third conversation was nothing more than a treatise on the benefits of nullfather's tits.


I remember that. Good times.

I will take that global ip ban until January 2nd if you don't mind.


I know you are asking Xhin, but as an administrator I find the idea that we hand out bans on demand is ridiculous. If you don't want to be here, leave.

Edited October 3rd by nullfather
nullfather

please dont post gay porn this time. I am in class D:

Posted October 3rd by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

I know you are asking Xhin, but as an administrator I find the idea that we hand out bans on demand is ridiculous. If you don't want to be here, leave. If you really don't want to be here, break the rules in a repeated and egregious fashion.

Reread what I wrote. It wasn't a demand, it was a request. Also, you may be unaware, but Xhin offered me a ban on request the last time he unbanned me. It is a pre-arranged agreement.

Lets extend that request to April 2nd.

Edited October 3rd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

The fact that an admin just advised someone to break the rules is not a good thing either.

Posted October 3rd by Moonray
Moonray
 

I don't want to cause anyone any problems. I didn't last time either. I am so disinterested in this place right now I likely don't even require the ban. But it is a good reminder since I tend to punch the url in almost by reflex these days.

The fact that nullfather is actually a member of the staff irks me too.

Edited October 3rd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

If you were really so disinterested in this place you wouldn't have spent all that time going through all of your recent posts/replies editing them and you wouldn't still be here telling us how disinterested you are.

Posted October 3rd by Moonray
Moonray
 

The fact that nullfather is actually a member of the staff irks me too.


I knew this was coming, so let's clear this up. I mean this in the most non-confrontational way possible: what problems do you have with me and how do I fix them?

Posted October 3rd by nullfather
nullfather

When was nul made a staff member.

where have I been.

Posted October 3rd by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

I don't want to clear it up. I don't have a problem with you specifically Null. Even the friendly mods like Vandy and Jet push me around. But you, you're a troll half the time and it's fine. You're usually a funny troll at least, but hardly mod material. Seeing you wander around policing me is a joke. Even in this thread you encouraged me to break the rules to get banned.

This site sucks and has a serious mod problem and every time an interesting thread happens it gets split up or locked. I am done.

I deleted my posts to cement the idea I have nothing else to say here. Not saying anything else. Good bye.

Edited October 3rd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

When was nul made a staff member.


A little over a week ago.

Posted October 3rd by nullfather
nullfather

I don't want to clear it up.


If you change your mind, I will work with you.

I'm not going through the rigor of attempting to explain to you the frustration that has led me to various outbursts, but I have a job here now and I plan on doing it, if only to spite those who think that I can't or won't do it properly. One of the responsibilities of that job is hearing what the community has to say and trying to keep everyone's shit together. If you have a problem, especially if it's a problem directly with me, then I need to hear it. I can't do anything about it otherwise.

Posted October 3rd by nullfather
nullfather

Even the friendly mods like Vandy...

Ha, that's a laughable.

You just need to relax, man, and maybe take a break after all.

Posted October 3rd by Chain Chomp
Chain Chomp

The fact that an admin just advised someone to break the rules is not a good thing either.
seriously

don't

Posted October 3rd by Pirate_Ninja
Pirate_Ninja

Are you telling me not to say that or are you agreeing with me? I can't tell.

Posted October 3rd by Moonray
Moonray
 

If it's that much of a problem, I will remove it.

See? This is what I'm talking about. Working with people. Learning experience. Etc.

Edited October 3rd by nullfather
nullfather

The fact that nullfather is actually a member of the staff irks me too.

It is admittedly pretty strange that Null just ended up an admin one day not even being a mod prior. Just straight to admin. I'm not letting personal biases be my only judge on this matter, but I do find it strange and I have mixed feelings about it. What's done is done so whatever I guess but it is weird.

Edited October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

It's perfectly reasonable to want a separate posts for the event itself and another for theories and discussions about gun laws in a different post

It's needless clutter among threads and things will go on as they did before anyway. You could argue it's reasonable but it's definitely not needed on any level and frankly it sounds mildly annoying.

I honestly don't mean to sound like an asshole too much but this whole "ban my IP" meme is ridiculous.

I don't get why people make such a fuss about it. It's not hurting anyone and you can easily overlook someone asking for it. I don't see why it would irritate you that much when it's not really effecting the site and it typically takes place in an isolated thread you don't even have to be in.

Edited October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

The gun argument is more understandable for splitting, but everything directly related to the event including theories and "sidebars" should remain in the thread.

Posted October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

@Xhin

Posted October 4th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

@I Killed Mufasa: I'm working on it.

Posted October 4th by Xhin
Xhin
 

Are you telling me not to say that or are you agreeing with me? I can't tell.
oh, I was agreeing with you. Emphatically.

Posted October 4th by Pirate_Ninja
Pirate_Ninja

I thought so but I didn't like to assume :P

Posted October 5th by Moonray
Moonray
 

The most nauseating part of this post is the mispelling of "modding". It's a persistent typo too.

@Moonray: this can only be your fault

Posted October 6th by Xhin
Xhin
 

@Xhin:

I actually really like the typo in the title. I just imagine that Red Leaf was sat there nodding, making himself feel sick by doing it for too long or something.

Posted October 6th by Moonray
Moonray
 

moving my head up and down makes my head hurt

Posted October 6th by Xhin
Xhin
 
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