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A non-brony takes the Canterlot Wedding challenge.
Posted: Posted August 2nd
Edited August 2nd by nullfather

If everyone here watched A Canterlot Wedding, the 2-part season 2 finale of MLP, you would all become Bronies right after This Day Aria.

- mariomguy


[DISCLAIMER: this thread is heavily influenced by opinion, as this is about convincing me to be a brony.]

My thoughts, written out as I watched:

- The opening theme makes me want to barf. Far too sugary and clean for my taste.
- The character design has a certain elegance to it, but is far too simplistic in a way that leaves me wanting more. It's like the potato chip of design styles.
- Why is Twilight getting so mad when the reasonable reaction is just to go see her brother and ask him why he didn't tell her before? If they're actually as close as she makes it seem, why is she so quick to get angry at him? Seems pretty contrived.
- oh god they're singing
- PRINCESS MI AMORE CALZONE PASTA FONDULI CAPICOLA
- Why were the guards on the train tracks? If that train wasn't supposed to pass, what exactly were they going to do to stop it?
- Really minor, but I noticed a continuity error. In one shot, Twilight's color streak is on one side of her horn and in the next shot (from the same side) it's on the other side. There's probably more things like this that I don't notice.
- As I thought, Shining's failure to notify Twilight of the wedding is not his fault. This is really predictable.
- I find how smooth the animation of their eyeballs is to be unsettling.
- Cadence just manipulated the minds of two strangers (?) with some kind of love magic. I bet this kind of moral looseness and manipulative ability isn't going to figure into the wedding at all...
- So Cadence is fucked up for whatever reason. I get the feeling we're going to fix that by the end of this.
- As much as Cadence is fucked up, Twilight is a bitch that seems too quick to judge at almost everything. I definitely get the sense that Twilight has a fair share of Mary Sueness - she's special, she's smart, she's a princess and she seems overly sure of herself and her emotions, even to the point of getting mad at her brother before she has a reasonable amount of information and turning against Cadence immediately instead of even considering the other ponies' suggestion that Cadence's behavior is just because of pre-wedding nerves. In short, I don't like her. It's like Superman without any of the moderation or actual intelligence of Superman.
- oh noooooo she's using her maaaaaaaaaaagic on him who could have seen this coming??????? Of course, it's set up perfectly to allow for the possibility of her simply having used her magic to stop the pain of Shining's headaches from doing the shield thing, so I expect more drama on that front later. Also, it's a weird green magic which, if the color scheme of any of the other ponies tells me anything, indicated that this might not be Cadence at all.
- And the other ones are the new bridesmaids so Twilight's going to have to fix eeeeeeeverything by herself. Oh boy.
- And at the confrontation, Shining vouches that Cadence was, of course, healing him with her magic. yay
- haha get fucked twilight. Of course, this is right at the middle of this two-parter, so it's natural for this to be the lowest point in the story. I fully expect her to have some kind of triumphant comeback later on.
- stop singing
- I like Cadence. she make green fire and doesn't afraid of anything. See you in hell, Twilight.
- great, it's the theme song again
- Oh, she pretty much is in hell. This would be funny if it wasn't so predictable.
- Why did the magic bolt reflect off of the first crystal but smash the subsequent crystals?
- Twilight is being stupid again. If she was actually smart, she would ask herself why evil Cadence would bother to be down here in the caves with her instead of just saying "a likely story".
- just stop fucking singing please
- While I hate the music, evil Cadence is still awesome.
- God, that was a really contrived escape from the brainwashed bridesmaids. That basically made evil Cadence's awesome brainwashing magic seem a lot less powerful.
- we DBZ now. Also, evil Cadence is, of course, not really Cadence.
- Pointless fight. There are so many of the changelings that they shouldn't have wasted time fighting any of them.
- No, you shouldn't have listened to her, Apple. You didn't see anything evil and Twilight was acting like a bitch.
- they're singing again but I'm slightly more OK with it because it's the evil one
- Why is Twilight the only one that does anything during the song?
- they're touching tips. das gay
- oh wow their love saaaaaaaved eeeeverythiiiiiiiiing i think im dying
- Don't congratulate her, Celestia. You literally admit that she went on instinct. This is basically saying that if you think someone is an asshole that you should witch-hunt them and not question yourself.
- They're singing again but it's terrible because the evil one is gone AND this song has a terrible, plasticky electronica style.
- fin

After-thoughts:

It was about what I expected. It was a cheesy, cheery, saccharine kids show about goodness and love. It was predictable, simplistic and facile - as it should be, really, seeing as how it's a show for CHILDREN. I don't feel any particular emotion from it and I'm not really interested in watching more of it. What is there here for me? The only thing that I was even mildly intrigued by was the changelings - and even that was just in comparison to the main characters. Comparing the changelings to villains that I like from other franchises isn't even fair.

tl;dr watched A Canterlot Wedding, there was a lot of stuff that I didn't care about or actively disliked, did not become a brony.

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Cadence just manipulated the minds of two strangers (?) with some kind of love magic. I bet this kind of moral looseness and manipulative ability isn't going to figure into the wedding at all...

Lmao I like the way you think. From what I remember of that episode though I pretty much agree entirely. It was never one of my favorites even when I still liked the show.

Edited August 2nd by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

@mariomguy

Posted August 3rd by nullfather
nullfather



Posted August 4th by Jo Nathan
Jo Nathan

There are worse errors. Some of the guards are alicorns: they have a unicorn and wings. There are only supposed to be 2 alicorns in existence at this point in the show.

The first part does NOT paint Twilight in a good picture. Just FYI, for the entire rest of the show she usually has a lot of humility and owns up to her mistakes. So to see this episode show her so negatively was kind of surprising for a lot of people. She's definitely not a Mary Sue. There are episodes where she gets jealous, episodes where she interferes and distrusts her friends, episodes where she goes completely over-the-top on others' nerves, and one episode in particular where she realizes how inconsiderate she was and tries to own up to it.

I don't think you understand what the word "contrived" means. If you think about it from Chrysalis' perspective, it makes perfect sense to use Cadence and Twilight's friends as obstacles to the cave because if they defeat them, the real Cadence will look like the evil one, and Twilight will just continue to make a fool of herself. The bouquet thing was a brilliant way out of it.

You hated This Day Aria? Wow. Something's wrong with you.

There are some really awesome villains in the show. The Changelings do come back a couple times. Keep in mind, Tropes are Tools: the plot of the story is not a problem if there is a device being used in it. If there were no devices, there would be no plot. A lot of this episode does occur naturally from consequences of previous actions. If you don't want to see the show that's fine, but to just pick on every single plot point without explaining why such a thing is bad is just stupid. You watched a two-part episode and found nothing you liked? At all?

Saccharine is the wrong word to use here: something that is positive is not straight-up saccharine. Lesson Zero, Amending Fences, The Cutie Map, A Royal Problem, etc. are not saccharine episodes.

Posted August 4th by mariomguy
mariomguy

@Jo "Not doing Satanic rituals that's for sure" she says while probably lying. Ahahaha Dash always was best pony.

Edited August 4th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

Mguy attempting to police my opinion aside, the end result is that I found nothing here for me. It's a kids show and it may be a great kids show, but I don't particularly care for it. I'm gonna go back to watching JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, which is something I enjoy because I am an individual with different senses of aesthetics and focus than some other people.

Edited August 5th by nullfather
nullfather

it's a shame you lacked the emotional skill required to achieve the correct opinion, null :c

maybe you should grind out some practice time watching easier cartoons before trying to properly comprehend the unassailable titan that is My Little Pony

Posted August 5th by Pirate_Ninja
Pirate_Ninja

It just seems you went in with a jaded opinion and forced yourself to hate it because you wanted so desperately to prove me wrong. My friend, who is an animation aficionado like myself, also hated the show like you before he watched it. He only became a Brony because the show's characterization was so great, and the writing so well handled and meaningful. Everything else he tried to show me afterwards felt like a waste of time with 1D paper thin cutout "characters" (if you can call them that) and story-lines that ultimately mean nothing.

If you seriously watched the show and don't like it, that's one thing. But if you're forcing yourself to hate it just to prove a point, that's something else. At the very least you should admit it IS a good show and you can see why people would like it. That's all I ask.

Posted August 5th by mariomguy
mariomguy

That's all I ask.

Damn dude...

Posted August 5th by Chain Chomp
Chain Chomp

Like you did with the Last of Us? Watched one let's play and trashed it.

Posted August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I judged it critically, as I would with anything that someone tried to hard-sell me.

It seems like a good kids show. But for me, there's nothing here to entice me to keep watching.

I'm on mobile right now, but when I get to a computer I can go much more in-depth about comparing it to an example of what I do like.

Posted August 5th by nullfather
nullfather

I actually like the character models in MLP, especially Rainbow Dash, and I think it's well animated. But the plot/story isn't there for anyone older than say the age of ten. Like Nullfather, I can't really see the appeal for an adult watching the show. And I think that's the case for a lot of shows I enjoyed growing up. It doesn't have to appeal to adults to be a high quality production.

Posted August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are objectively some of the greatest games ever made but I personally found them annoying and childish. I couldn't get past the aesthetic. I find the same with Pokemon Sun and Moon (and black and white and x and y) even though I am a huge Pokemon fan and Mario fan.

That doesn't mean those games are in any way bad. They're fantastic. I am just not the intended demographic anymore.

Edited August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Although I would argue that for Pokemon, Millennials should be the target demographic and they should give us what we want.

Posted August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

MLP has a seamless continuity. If the characters do something in one episode, or learn something in one episode, they never forget it. In the pilot episode (terrible episode, BTW), Twilight doesn't care about making friends or anyone else, really. Her friends invited her to a party, and she declined. Then an episode in the middle of Season 5 goes back to that point to show the party was actually important, and by declining to go Twilight permanently damaged one of her friends' self worth. She then chose to live her life without friends as a loner. Even when Twilight bends over backwards to show her that friendship is a good thing, the damage was already done and it doesn't happen. It's considered one of the best episodes of the show, one of the most realistic and mature.

Because most of the conflict in MLP is between characters on a personal level, all the stories and lessons in it have real-world significance, and all the consequences are played completely straight. Most other children's shows would have these characters shooting other things with lasers to solve their problems. They get into a fight and either break up or make up immediately. If those 1-D so-called "characters" love or hate each other, they're never truly sincere about it. Or if this show was really made just for little girls the way all other little girl shows are made, they'd all have endless tea parties where nobody does anything wrong or suffer any consequences. Or if this was an adult show everyone would just be miserable all the time unless they're having sex, and then scandals would bring everything right back to the constant state of misery.

The reason people love this show is because nobody is perfect, everyone's different, and sometimes there are people who are just really difficult to deal with and understand. Even the best friends and families can get into disagreements and fall apart (absolutely NOBODY in this show is perfect), but you can still have an enjoyable life if you learn to live and work together, love and tolerate each other, and choose to forgive those mistakes, learn from them, and continue to enjoy your life with your friends. There are lessons in it adults still need to learn. If more adults watched this show, maybe the world would be a better place.

This is my take on the show after watching each and every single episode (all 143 of them) at least twice, including many with friends. It didn't become so insanely popular just because it sucks.

Edited August 5th by mariomguy
mariomguy

and I think it's well animated. But the plot/story isn't there for anyone older than say the age of ten. Like Nullfather, I can't really see the appeal for an adult watching the show.

Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are objectively some of the greatest games ever made but I personally found them annoying and childish. I couldn't get past the aesthetic.


He says while having Lion King in his avatar and a reference to it in his avatar. Perhaps you simply would need to be used to it by now, but as far as aesthetics are concerned there is no reason an adult couldn't get into it. I remember a long time ago I gave my dad the controller on a super mario sunshine stage and he got really into it for a while there. You could tell because he was getting really non-responsive and trying really hard to beat the stage (since he's never really played something like that even remotely before).

I'm pretty sure that the story didn't seem all that exciting or anything except when it was doing those season opening/season finale episodes where it would suddenly get serious and action-packed. And a few other episodes. But for many people that's okay. They don't need excitement 24/7. And frankly trying to do that may just make it seem cringy, for example just look at Null watching Canterlot Wedding. Despite that though, I THINK MLP has pretty decent slice of life stuff (even if it wasn't always the best at setting it up realistically, but hey it's fiction anyway so whatever. It doesn't have to be perfect from every angle) going on that really anyone could appreciate, I had a hard time appreciating that part of the show myself though because I was a fucking depressed edgelord but don't knock it entirely till you try it.

If you can still appreciate the Lion King, I don't see why you couldn't appreciate MLP. I'm not going to say people should like MLP when I'm glad to apparently finally be done with it and most of the shitshow fandom, but have you given it a proper chance? MLP in many cases is not something you ever want to, or expect to like. You just do. I literally came into it hating everything about it and the fandom. Knowing Mariom he probably picked a really not that great over-hyped episode as an example (I can't recall how good they are in comparison so) but I am actually pretty sure that Null isn't the type of person to like the show. You on the other hand, I'm much less sure about.

Edited August 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

I watched Lion King for the first time when I was four. I probably wouldn't bother with it at my age if I hadn't seen it when I was young.

Edited August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I actually don't care for talking animals outside of Meowth and Lion King and a few other Disney movies I watched as a kid like fox and the hound, and like loony toons and space jam. Bit all of those things including Pokemon the show happened before I was 12-13. And in Grade 7 and especially grade 8 Pokemon was deemed so uncool no one was going near it with a ten foot pole myself included. Those were the years dragonball z was super popular. I got back into Pokemon in grade 10. Bit never the show again, just the games. I could enjoy watching indigo league for the nostalgia and who doesn't like loony toons. But MLP is like you said, not something I want to enjoy. I don't aspire to be a brony.

Edited August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Also from what I remember I really don't agree with all of what Mariom said. I remember ponies actually making the same mistakes over plot convenience here and there lmao. But you could also argue that's because they're flawed and not meant to get everything right the first time much like humans, thus still making his "The reason people love this show is because nobody is perfect, everyone's different, and sometimes there are people who are just really difficult to deal with and understand." point valid.

But people need to stop pretending like this show doesn't have plenty of flaws, and I don't mean flaws with the characters that exist for character development, but just flaws. You can like it in spite of the flaws, but there's no way it's so near perfect like this.

If more adults watched this show, maybe the world would be a better place.

This is also a mistake and plenty of people watch the show and come out completely unchanged if not worse after actually. Worse may be due to the fandom and where it can potentially lead them, but eh.

but you can still have an enjoyable life if you learn to live and work together, love and tolerate each other, and choose to forgive those mistakes, learn from them, and continue to enjoy your life with your friends. There are lessons in it adults still need to learn. If more adults watched this show, maybe the world would be a better place.

And then there is this sort of thing. The world is NOT so simple that problems can be solved like they are in the show a lot of times really nothing you can read in a single book, or movie or show or anything really is capable of fixing all of these problems. I agree, MLP did take it a step beyond what I expected in attempting to do that, but it can't do that.

Posted August 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

I would be more interested in MLP if the ponies were human girls or like gijinkas. Not full on furies, I don't like those.

Posted August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

But MLP is like you said, not something I want to enjoy. I don't aspire to be a brony.

Ya. I didn't either as I said. I was suggested to watch it by someone when I was at a very very low point in my life. At that point it was like why the fuck not. And even then, I actually wanted to watch it just to prove that I wouldn't like it and the show couldn't make my life any better. AT THE TIME I was wrong. It's not like it lasted, but I was very wrong. It changed a lot about me, and changed where that ended up. Whether that was ultimately for the best in the end, I couldn't tell you tbh.

But ya, I think if you did watch it there's a good chance you'd end up like me. At the very least, if you watched it around the year I did.

Posted August 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

I would be more interested in MLP if the ponies were human girls or like gijinkas. Not full on furies, I don't like those.

Furry stuff has to be anthropomorphic. MLP Ponies are not anthropomorphic. Sure you could say they're a weird mix of multiple things, like the weird big cutesy animeish eyes, but they are not anthropomorphic.

Sure that technical distinction may not matter to you, but uh. Why does that matter unless you intend to be attracted to them or something?

Posted August 5th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

I like to rp in my spare time and I use characters I can relate to which are typically humanoid. If I am gonna bother getting into a fandom it's gonna be something I like writing about. I write about star, wars, and avatar and stuff like that all the time. I ran my own gijinka pokemon forum with 24 000 posts. It's since been deleted.

Edited August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

It's not that I want to be attracted to them. However I don't leave sexual scenes out of my writing. And it's weird if I am writing about ponies.

Posted August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I wouldn't write about Lion King unless I was asked to play a humanized veraion of those characters. It's just a personal thing.

Posted August 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

But people need to stop pretending like this show doesn't have plenty of flaws, and I don't mean flaws with the characters that exist for character development, but just flaws.

Some episodes really botch up the moral, or portray the solution to a problem as being more simplistic than it should be. But this is surprisingly rare for a "kid's show." Episodes like Amending Fences, The Perfect Pear, and Brotherhood Social (the speech) prove the show's worth in handling family and friendship problems with a great degree of maturity and seriousness. And episodes like No Second Prances, Putting Your Hoof Down, and Sweet and Elite show that characters are not just not perfect, but far from it. They show a real struggle. A lot of the Season One weirdness was eliminated by Green is Not Your Color, and while the show occasionally slips into "obvious kid's show" territory every once in a while, episodes like A Royal Problem, A Canterlot Wedding, and Twilight's Kingdom do more than enough to make up for it. The writers have caught on that they can present the show in a more mature way with stronger writing and characters without slipping into children's territory, and season 7 has pushed the envelope even further with several smash hits.

This is also a mistake and plenty of people watch the show and come out completely unchanged if not worse after actually.

Do you really think that would be the norm?

The world is NOT so simple that problems can be solved like they are in the show a lot of times really nothing you can read in a single book, or movie or show or anything really is capable of fixing all of these problems. I agree, MLP did take it a step beyond what I expected in attempting to do that, but it can't do that.

If people don't at least make an attempt to work together, then what's the point of living? There have already been ridiculous conspiracy theories thrown at the show for having stealth lesbianism (Rainbow Dash, not really), showing a gay lifestyle in a positive light (not mentioned by name, but several characters have... flamboyant mannerisms), having a liberal conspiracy (being friends and working with other nations), a capitalist/anti-capitalist conspiracy (Flim Flam Brothers/portrayal of high society), and being part of a massive feminist plot. Obviously this all came from butt-hurt adults who are unable to love/tolerate, not children. I think if they watched the show for the message and not just the parts they don't like, they will learn something.

Furry stuff has to be anthropomorphic. MLP Ponies are not anthropomorphic.

The technical term is "funny animal." Not so much because the animal is "funny," but because the animal is captured with cartoonish proportions and appeal. Bugs Bunny, Mushu (from Mulan), and the characters in Spongebob all fall in this category. What makes this show interesting is unlike Pokemon and other funny-animal shows most of the characters here are all just different variations of one species: ponies. The variety shown of this one species is far wider than any other species I've ever seen in any show.

Posted August 6th by mariomguy
mariomguy

Dude you can write a novel about MLP but we aren't convinced.

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Sorry for debunking your paper-thin criticism, I was hoping for a conversation that's actually good.

Posted August 6th by mariomguy
mariomguy

Then talk about something relevant to my life.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

You read the title of this thread before posting in it, right?

Posted August 6th by mariomguy
mariomguy

And I gave my opinion. I didn't trash MLP or you for watching it. You really need to get that just because I don't write an essay about something doesn't mean I have to sit down and watch more of it. I was trying to save you more time writing up paragraphs. But do you bud.

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Some of the voice acting is good but I prefer more humanized characters. That's my opinion of the whole show/brony world.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I don't see how anything you write is possibly going to change my personal preference or Null's.

Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Is there a reason you prefer humanoid characters?

Posted August 6th by mariomguy
mariomguy

I relate to them better. And I write about the shows I am interested in and I prefer to write about humanoids. I can't explore a full personality if the character is a pony. I can't. Maybe you can.

Edited August 6th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

That's not a very good explanation. You like The Lion King, Looney Toons, and The Fox and The Hound, but then you say you prefer humanoid characters. Surely you can see how this does not make sense.

Posted August 6th by mariomguy
mariomguy

I like those characters from my childhood. I wouldn't bother with them today if they were just released. People grow up and their interests change.



Posted August 6th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Anyway, I finally have time (and have remembered) to talk about what I actually like as a kind of explanation of why I didn't particularly enjoy MLP.

A lot of it just has to deal with how it's a kids' show and how things have been softened and simplified for the intended audience. The violence is much more vague and/or treated with much less lasting impact than I like. The character designs are simplistic - and while they're elegant, I appreciate a bit more detailed and esoteric design. The plot was predictable while still having some bits that felt contrived to me, while I would prefer to have something use that contrivedness to venture into much more unpredictable and unsafe areas. And last but not least, I'd like some fukkin savage personalities - while the changeling queen could have done it for me, the fact that it's a kid show and they couldn't make her truly despicable in an explicit way made it really disappointing for me.

To compare it to another animated show that fills all my boxes, have a look at JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. It has complex, vibrant, hard-hitting and meaningful fights, amazingly inventive and stylish character designs, plots that keep me on the edge of my seat without being jumbled garbage and character writing that makes the heroes and villains pop and leave a lasting impression on me. While I enjoyed the changeling queen for what she was in the context of MLP, she couldn't hold a candle to Dio or even a minor villain like Centerfold.

Posted August 10th by nullfather
nullfather

@mariomguy

Posted August 17th by nullfather
nullfather

A lot of it just has to deal with how it's a kids' show and how things have been softened and simplified for the intended audience.

True, it is a kid's show. I wish it went further, at least to Avatar: The Last Airbender levels, but for its purpose it's doing a good job working with the constraints. Lesson Zero, The Cutie Map, and Twilight's Kingdom all prove this show can go pretty far within the boundaries.

The violence is much more vague and/or treated with much less lasting impact than I like.

The character designs are simplistic - and while they're elegant, I appreciate a bit more detailed and esoteric design.

The simplicity really works in its favor. Part of what made the show so popular is how easy the characters are to draw, and the show is rife with meme faces.

The plot was predictable while still having some bits that felt contrived to me, while I would prefer to have something use that contrivedness to venture into much more unpredictable and unsafe areas.

Other episodes do a better job with that, but all things considered this is the best one.

And last but not least, I'd like some fukkin savage personalities - while the changeling queen could have done it for me, the fact that it's a kid show and they couldn't make her truly despicable in an explicit way made it really disappointing for me.

She comes back. Two more times. If you want savage personalities there are characters who are jerks and torment others (Discord), and each of the main cast has moments where they act like jerks. But again, the whole point of the show is to keep the characters running on high consequence, so seemingly small actions carry the same weight in this show that they would in real life, so you don't need excessively brutal characters to hurt. Discord, Tirek, and Chrysalis are the worst villains. Starlight is the most competent sly villain. The way Fluttershy acts in Putting Your Hoof Down was atrocious, and the best insult the show has ever done was definitely Diamond Tiara lashing back at her mother in Crusaders of The Lost Mark. The biggest grudge has to be Grandpear in The Perfect Pear, and the more you think about what he did and why the worse his character seems. Possibly the worst result of someone acting inconsiderately was actually Twilight Sparkle, shown in Amending Fences. Two sort-of friends with similar interests, one became a princess, the other a miserable loner.

The show is all about conflicts between friends, how even your greatest friends can become your worst enemies and then back again, so it's not just some grand, epic story arc filled with grand, epic villains all the time. Any episode can and will pit any of the characters against each other. The bad guys aren't always the "villains," either: the good guys all take turns being antagonists, and they really don't have to go far out of their way to do so. It's an interesting mix of slice of life, high fantasy, and character-centric storytelling that teaches real morals that make sense in the real world. It would be nice if the show was a little darker, but then it would really damper the mood because it already rides high on consequences.

Teaser for the episode tomorrow has two non-pony good guys, both new rulers of separate kingdoms, both friends with Spike, both meeting each other for the first time, and both in an epic battle against each other, most likely because of the most innocuous character in the whole series. What's the saying? With friends like these, who needs enemies? This show is filled to the brim with this.

Posted August 19th by mariomguy
mariomguy

The show is all about conflicts between friends, how even your greatest friends can become your worst enemies and then back again, so it's not just some grand, epic story arc filled with grand, epic villains all the time. Any episode can and will pit any of the characters against each other. The bad guys aren't always the "villains," either: the good guys all take turns being antagonists, and they really don't have to go far out of their way to do so.


I don't really think I'm missing out on this with JoJo. In JJBA, there's a range of relationships from simple to complex. It could be as simple as Jotaro and Kakyoin teaming up because they have a heroic common cause against Dio, or it could be as complex as the rivalry and guilt between Polnareff, Iggy and Avdol - which finally resolved in a scene that legitimately almost moved me to tears.

I'd like to know what you think of JJBA. If you have an afternoon free, I'd recommend watching Phantom Blood, which is the first part of JJBA. 9 episodes, but it moves quickly. I don't necessarily think you'll like it, but it would be interesting to see what criticism you have of it.

Posted August 19th by nullfather
nullfather

@mariomguy

Posted August 22nd by nullfather
nullfather

Yes, yes, I see. When I have the chance, I'll watch Jojo's Bizzare Adventure and let you know what I think. But finding an afternoon free is going to be a serious challenge. I'm moving into a new place, finishing a year-long project for a museum, and watching MLP with one of my best friends on a nightly basis, all on top of my full time job and long commute

Posted August 22nd by mariomguy
mariomguy

Fair enough. I'd just like to get some equal footing here to help us both make informed comparisons.

Posted August 22nd by nullfather
nullfather
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