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Some questions about Andromeda
Posted: Posted July 15th by Ghowilo

What was the canonical ending of ME3 anyway? Have the updates made it more playable? Is it worth buying now?

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ME3 is definitely worth a play through if you haven't yet, especially if you've played the other two. The updates did help the ending a little bit although just a little bit. The ending is still weak.

I believe the officially recognized ending in ME3 is destroy.

Edited July 15th by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

I've beaten ME3 more times than I can count. Just been waiting for Andromeda to be worth the money.

Posted July 15th by Ghowilo
Ghowilo

Depends on how much you're paying. I paid full price. I am not content but I will rough through it. If I paid only half of what I actually paid I wouldn't be upset. I don't think it'll ever be an all time great though if that's what you're asking. It's a bargain bin game but it's not the worst game ever. It's quite pretty to look at when you're driving around. One thing they could edit in is a better soundtrack.

Posted July 15th by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

There is no canonical ending to ME3. The Andromeda Initiative launches after ME2 but before ME3, the game itself takes place in the distant future and there's no contact with the Milky Way so you never find out what happened. Pretty sure this was done on purpose to avoid canonising an ending.

I still feel that Andromeda was ok (but I had a bug free experience of it). Overall the plot and lore were pretty weak by comparison to the Trilogy. The open world gameplay didn't really do much good either, if anything it encouraged some rather bad game design.

Otherwise I found it fun enough. I'd highly recommend that you don't try to completionist it right away, the game is better experienced (in my opinion) by progressing the story a little as the desert world is really bad.

Posted July 15th by Moonray
Moonray
 

I, on the other hand, thought the game was pretty garbage. Definitely not the *worst* game I've ever played, but it was bad. And that is from a design perspective. I genuinely didn't find it all that fun in any way. I also didn't think it looked all that pretty either. And then, I had a bunch of bugs, of various degrees of seriousness.

Posted July 16th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Wouldn't recommend it, even to a hardcore fan.

Posted July 16th by Orion Nebula
Orion Nebula
 

It's kind of like an extended demo except there will never be a sequel because they blame the fans for not buying it like hot cakes. I don't understand that logic but EA has always been greedy/minimum effort.

Posted July 16th by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

Who blamed the fans?

Posted July 16th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

EA did. They did it when ME3 didn't sell well on the Wii U as well. Like, duh, you didn't release it as the full trilogy, how do you expect to sell the weakest entry of the three standalone when you missed the boat to give Nintendo fans the whole trilogy?

With Andromeda they consider Mass Effect a dead franchise because of poor sales, which is essentially blaming the consumer.

Bioware may be at fault for how shitty Andromeda is, but EA is at fault for not allocating the resources toward a sequel or new ME title.

Edited July 16th by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

You can't blame the consumer for having standards. And if you do you're a scummy shitty corporation who wants max profits for minimum effort.

I have no interest at all in the Bioware A-team's Anthem. Fuck em. They sunk their own battleship. I won't be fooled again.

Edited July 16th by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

Where did they say that?

Posted July 16th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Hint: they didn't

Posted July 16th by Orion Nebula
Orion Nebula
 

Yea that's news to me.

Also while initial reports did suggest that EA was the one that but Mass Effect on hold, reports after that started to suggest it was a decision made by Bioware. So you're making wild speculations int something we don't even really know the truth about.

I have no interest at all in the Bioware A-team's Anthem. Fuck em. They sunk their own battleship. I won't be fooled again.


It's a sad world you live in that you blame a group of people for something a different group of people did.

Posted July 17th by Moonray
Moonray
 

Do you blame an employee who doesn't show up to work? Because that's what the A-team did to ME:A, they no-showed us. Which is worse than doing something bad.

Posted July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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That's not even a little bit what happened. They finished Mass Effect and moved on to a different project. Later, the studio decided to try a new game and needed a different team to work on it. Hardly comparable to an employee "not showing up to work."

Posted July 17th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

So why stop making Mass Effect based on the sales of a game made by noobs?

Or is your argument that Andromeda shouldn't exist to begin with?

Edited July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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I could get behind that argument honestly. But then the blame falls back to EA for funding a project they knew Bioware wasn't going to be able to put the A-team on and not advertising that fact well. I feel like they just dragged the franchise through the mud shamelessly to grab money from the consumer. That is the kind of scummy thing EA likes to do. Bioware is not faultless but neither is EA.

Posted July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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It isn't exactly like they commissioned the game expecting it to be a massive disappointment. It's also not like you realize you have a disappointing game on your hands super early into the project. And the thing about franchising is that you kind of do what to be putting them out somewhat frequently. Andromeda came out, what, four years after ME3? If they waited until Anthem were finished and out, we could be talking seven or eight years later, we get a new Mass Effect game. From the studio perspective, that sort of defeats the purpose of having a big tentpole franchise that you can reliably bank on. They got "newbies" to work on a game that itself was also going to be fundamentally pretty different from the original trilogy in various ways, so you can even understand some creative reasoning for actually preferring people not involved, if the idea was going to be trying to create something different.

Literally all that happened was somewhere along the lines, things started falling apart, and they got to a point of no return. They made a bad video game, and it didn't sell well as a result. It happens. And now, BioWare has another property that it has been working on that it wants to focus more on, which also happens. I'd be surprised if we never see another Mass Effect game in the future, but you can't exactly blame the studio for wanting to focus on this other project that they've been more focused on for the past few years. I genuinely don't see any reason to complain so vehemently for what is ultimately not that big a deal.

Posted July 17th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Well if I had known ME:A was a second tier flop back in March I could have saved my money for Anthem. It's not a huge deal but it is a whatever sized deal at my expense and yours.

Posted July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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It's an $80.00 CAD sized deal for me.

Posted July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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Speaking of Bioware sitting on a franchise, when are we going to get a KotoR3?





Posted July 17th by Q
Q
 

The Old Republic is KOTOR 3, it has relatively similar gameplay (translated into an MMO so there is some difference) and continues the story that was set up in the first two games.

Posted July 17th by Moonray
Moonray
 

it was more of a joke since Bioware doesn't actually own the KotoR franchise. But still I would like a true sequel.

Edited July 17th by Q
Q
 

The joke went over my head :(

If they ever did go back to Star Wars I'd like them to do something new. Although that Era is an empty book right now so they could always reboot KOTOR for the new canon.

Posted July 17th by Moonray
Moonray
 

A reboot would work.

Posted July 17th by Q
Q
 

Well if I had known ME:A was a second tier flop back in March I could have saved my money for Anthem.


There were reviews out before it released that indicated it wasn't great. No one made you buy it on Day 1. You could have waited a week so you could wait to hear about whether it was good or a bomb or somewhere in between, if it's such a big investment for you and you want to be careful.

Posted July 17th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I don't know why you're playing devils advocate for a game you clearly know was a rip off on launch.

Posted July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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Yeah, I'm not playing devil's advocate here. They made a shit game, and it happened for various reasons, and that sucks, sure. But your "arguments" are completely unreasonable and more often than not totally off-base. The amount you have whined about Andromeda is insane, and you have yet to make a legitimate case.

Posted July 17th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Somebody let it get out the door like this. I disagree with your point of no return assessment. They could have worked on it for another year, or at least asked the guidance of the A-team for their opinion or something.

Someone fucked up. Whether it's Bioware, EA, or whoever. What about the single player dlc that was supposed to happen? With the Quarians.

Posted July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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I am not even sure Jet what it is we disagree on other than that.

Posted July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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What I gather is you're cool with the full price tag because you paid it too. But you hate the game too. Lol

Make up your mind please. At least I am being consistent. You seem to want to give them excuses or say that it's OK for then to release garbage at full price behind an elite name, and blame the consumer for buying it.

Posted July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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My whole point is that it's corrupt to do that very thing. And it's the kind of thing EA is well known for. The Need for speed games are all just dreadful except for one PS1 game, and they milk it still to this day. They do it with the word Goldenwye. They're now doing it with Mass Effect. You even said it's a reliable cash cow or words to that effect so you agree with me.

Posted July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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I think if it was anyone other than me saying what I am saying you would agree. It's just because I have a history here with theatrics. But we are talking about video games now not politics. Not depression. We are talking about a game we were both looking forward to, that was hyped beyond measure - we both bought it at full price to give it the benefit of the doubt, and both got tricked into doing so because EA is admittedly good at advertising and masking flaws. The only place we diverge here is you blame me for buying it, and I say we were fooled.

Edited July 17th by I killed Mufasa
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Someone fucked up. Whether it's Bioware, EA, or whoever.


They admitted they fucked up.

and blame the consumer for buying it.
The only place we diverge here is you blame me for buying it, and I say we were fooled.


You're twisting Jet's words. You complained about having bought the game, Jet pointed out that we knew by launch that the game was likely bad (critics and gamers who had early copies were saying this for days before release). All Jet is saying is, if you are that concerned with how you spend your money (on anything) then you should try to make a more informed decision rather than jumping straight in.

The Need for speed games are all just dreadful except for one PS1 game, and they milk it still to this day.


And yet people enjoy them. Perhaps you should consider that franchises don't survive if they are "dreadful". People wouldn't keep buying into a franchise if only one game in it was any good. They come back because they liked most or all of what the franchise offered.



Posted July 17th by Moonray
Moonray
 

I think if it was anyone other than me saying what I am saying you would agree.


I don't think you're saying half as much as you think you're saying.

Your replies in this, and previous posts, essentially boil down to. "I hated this game, EA and Bioware are evil, they should never have released the game."

Great, you've said it.

We all agree to different extents that this wasn't the sequel the Mass Effect Trilogy deserved and we've all said our fair share on the matter.

If you keep going as you are, you're just going to annoy people. You've had your rant many times over now move on.

Edited July 17th by Moonray
Moonray
 

See it's just because it's me. I don't know why I post about anything here tbh. Even when we are talking about something very simple it becomes about my history on this website and it's stupid.

Posted July 17th by Burrito Grand Master
Burrito Grand Master
 

That isn't even what I said.

Posted July 17th by Moonray
Moonray
 

You don't need to.

Posted July 17th by Burrito Grand Master
Burrito Grand Master
 

I don't really care who does it, if someone keeps repeating the same comment over and over it gets annoying. I'd say the same thing to Jet if he was doing it. It has nothing to do with who you are or what you've done in the past, it has everything to do with what you're doing now.

Posted July 17th by Moonray
Moonray
 

The need for speed series has been pretty good as a whole. Except Most Wanted 2007 version. Fuck that game.

Posted July 17th by Q
Q
 

They could have worked on it for another year,


Maybe! I don't know how practical that would have been. I don't have access to their Quickbooks. In this business, you kinda can't just keep delaying a game for years and years, especially after you miss a couple of release dates. This stuff costs a lot of money to develop. Maybe they could have finagled a way to work on it more, although it's possible that the root of the game's development could have had some bugs, for example, that would have been impossible to fix without scrapping the whole thing. I don't know. We're not privy to all the inside information at this point.

or at least asked the guidance of the A-team for their opinion or something.


That team was neck-deep in their own project and meeting their own deadlines and worrying about their own game. They shouldn't be involving a team that is also stretched thin and overworked getting a game out in a reasonable amount of time. That's the entire reason they have different teams.


Someone fucked up.


I mean, yeah. I think they all fucked up. You and I fucked up to buy purchasing it. My point is you can't blame them for your decision to purchase it. Calling the franchise a cash cow does not suddenly mean that fans don't have a choice, or couldn't wait, or couldn't read reviews before buying it.



Make up your mind please. At least I am being consistent. You seem to want to give them excuses or say that it's OK for then to release garbage at full price behind an elite name, and blame the consumer for buying it.


I'm being consistent too. You're just not bothering to listen to what I've said, or just don't care.

It's a garbage game, but that's the risk you take consuming entertainment. It's no different to me than being interested in a movie because of the trailer, then seeing it, and finding it awful. Sometimes these things are great. Sometimes they're awful. Sometimes they're just ok. I'm ok with the fact that when I spent money on a game that I have never played and don't know anything about, it's a gamble. I didn't know much about Dragon Age, and I liked it fine. I knew nothing about the first Mass Effect and loved it (or, eventually did at least). I knew nothing about Andromeda and hated it. That's how it goes. Studios are not always going to produce great stuff. Sometimes they produce shit, for various reasons (of which none are intentional). You really think this was the end result anyone involved on this project was hoping for? You really think the development team is super stoked about the game they put out?

But again, I'm not saying don't hate the game. But it is absolutely, certifiably, 100% NOT THEIR FAULT that YOU DECIDED TO BUY THE GAME ON DAY 1. If these purchases are such a big investment for you, it's on you to do some homework before you make the purchase. If you're going to be THIS ANGRY when you buy a game that turns out to be garbage, read some dang reviews BEFORE you purchase it. Or, wait a week or two, get a sense from other players. Why do you keep blaming them because YOU couldn't be bothered to do that, or YOU felt like you HAD to buy it day one?

I specifically made it a point to *not* pay full price for the game. I used some reward points so I only paid about half price for it, because I had been hearing some negative opinions on it, and so I figured the game might be bad.



we both bought it at full price to give it the benefit of the doubt, and both got tricked into doing so because EA is admittedly good at advertising and masking flaws.


Speak for yourself. I didn't get duped into anything. I chose to purchase the game despite reading negative reviews of it. I chose to buy it because I wanted to see for myself. I didn't think the advertising looked all that good. I'm disappointed that the end result was not even slightly better than I had hoped (granted, I also didn't really want another Mass Effect game, to be honest, so my expectations were low to begin with), but no one "tricked me." I was completely aware of what I was doing and the risk I took. (And again, that's also why I used some reward points to knock it down to $30.)


The only place we diverge here is you blame me for buying it, and I say we were fooled.


Companies can do some pretty shitty things to sell a product, but my entire point here is that you had plenty of opportunities to find out more about the quality of the game BEFORE purchasing it. No one is responsible for your purchases other than you. You could have, I don't know, read reviews, like I and others did. You could have waited to actually talk to other people who have played it. If you don't want feel duped, there are plenty of things you can do to avoid it. It is their fault they made a crappy game. It is your fault you rushed to buy it without doing any research into the quality of the game. No one made you buy the game on day one. And given that you appear to have prior knowledge of EA being a sleazy, shitty company, I genuinely have no clue why you wouldn't have thought to do that here as well, especially given how you also previously felt let down by ME3.

Edited July 18th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

It's just because I have a history here with theatrics.


Sure. If you want to think that, go ahead. Quite literally the only thing you do here that I find annoying is the refusal to recognize that you are the only one responsible for the purchases you choose to make, and that you continue to ignore all of my arguments because you'd rather just be absurdly angry that you bought a fucking video game that sucks. Two things that are annoying because you have done them in pretty much every Andromeda-related thread.

The game sucks, but I get a little tired of hearing you repeat the same nonsense arguments over and over again. There are so many reasons this game could have wound up in the form that it was, and I feel pretty confident that none of it was intentional or from a lack of care. At the end of the day, it is what it is, and now we move on. I'm hopeful there will some day be another ME game that gets a more reliable team, but even then, I'm still going to read reviews before I drop $60 on a game.



Posted July 18th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Whatever, fine.

And I am not an idiot, I knew it was getting bad ratings. I did read up on it before buying. I gave it the benefit of the doubt. What I didn't know is that the original team didn't even touch it. If I had known that I wouldn't have even bothered. My mindset buying it was that I was supporting the official release of a franchise I care about and hopefully it could be fixed with dlc or patches, or is just a rocky start to another great trilogy. The reason I blame EA is that it was marketed to be epic hype. And it was total trash. It's fine. I bought it, you bought it, we are both unhappy and we disagree. Discussion over.

Edited July 18th by I killed Mufasa
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Found some good videos from Extra Credits that kind of talk about the process. It's not that it doesn't suck, and lord knows EA is terrible, but there still is a point where you can't just expect even a major corporation to continue to sink money into a project. It's still a business.






Posted July 18th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

It's not like it was getting 4/10s either. It was getting 6.5/7 out of 10. Hell Edge magazine gave FFX one of my favorite games a 6/10. A score you probably agree with but I don't.

Nightfire 007 has about a 7.5/10 and its very fun and very playable. Mass Effect Andromeda is barely playable. It looks great outside of dialog. It really does.

Edited July 18th by I killed Mufasa
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If your favorite food on earth was lasagna and three people ranked the lasagna on the stove a 7/10 you'd still try a piece right?

Posted July 18th by I killed Mufasa
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You should put more weight on the substance of the review rather than the number they assign. Reviewers are so inconsistent with the numbers that they practically mean nothing.

Posted July 18th by Moonray
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If your favorite food on earth was lasagna and three people ranked the lasagna on the stove a 7/10 you'd still try a piece right?


Maybe. Depends on what they say about it and what I heard about how the process of cooking it went. I don't pay any mind to review scores. It means virtually nothing to me. If you told me that the lasagna was just all right, but you heard that they had a bunch of trouble when they were making it, I would probably wait until someone else had a piece to see what they thought before trying it myself.

Posted July 18th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

But anything above a 6/10 should be a competent playable game. Even if it's bad. Nightfire is bad. It's corny and the dialog is crap. But the game play is there. It was playable right out of the box and with a complete and satisfying soundtrack. It was a second rate 007 game that EA held by the balls and it is somehow better than Andromeda. You had game-breaking glitches when you played Andromeda. The proverbial lasagna in this case was cooked by amateurs and clearly in the oven for too short a time. And then peddled like it was the second coming of Jesus. With that added info I wouldn't have a piece. I thought it was just a burned batch from my usual chef. Burned lasagna is still pretty good if it's made properly otherwise.

Posted July 18th by I killed Mufasa
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I had a bunch of annoying bugs, some of which did break the game. But when all is said and done, the primary reason I stopped playing was I didn't like it. Those bugs never rendered the game legitimately "unplayable." I could have continued to play it if I wanted. Many others I know haven't experienced anywhere near the same number of bugs I did, and some of my friends even thought the game was fine. Nothing amazing, but they enjoyed it. It's hard here because everyone is going to have a bit of a different experience with it.



Posted July 18th by Jet Presto
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