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Let's talk about FFVIII
Posted: Posted July 9th by Angemon

FFVIII was my first final fantasy. I was just 11 back then. I do not understand the Junction system nor the storyline. They were too complicated for me back then.

However, I love FFVIII. I guess everyone falls in love with their first FF, regardless of its flaws and shortcomings. For me, FFVIII is beautiful in every way. The graphic took me away and I never tired of watching the GF attacks (I found myself using Shiva more than i should. Sorry Ifrit). Most of all, it's the storyline and characters. God Square was good at them. I was completely drawn into FFVIII and felt genuinely happy playing them.

I returned to FFVIII a few years later when i was in high school. I understand the Junction and storyline (the time compassion and whatever holyshit) better this time. I enjoyed the game on a completely different level then.

I will never forget how Rinoa and Squall play a part in my life. I liked Rinoa's playful and bright personality so much, as a kid, that i grew up searching for outgoing and bright girls too.

And the music. Well I do not have to go into deep details about that. Everyone loves it.

On a side note, i missed everyone from the original Game Talk, especially those who were in the FFVIII forum. (Silver Wolf, where are thee?)

So guys, how did FFVIII played a part in your life back then? I would love to hear.

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I have not beat FFVIII. It's really one I should seriously get around to finishing...

I have heard good things about the card mini-game. Can you confirm?

My first Final Fantasy was IX back in the day.

Posted July 9th by Laxan
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haven't played it, but it's the next one of the main series that I'd like to check out sometime (having played 1-7, 9-10, and 15)

dang ol' playstation kids...my first FF was the first one back on the NES, which was the first game I ever bought for myself. Picked it out at a toy store on vacation, spent the ride home marveling over the included world map and bestiary poster and stuff. It's a shame that stuff is relegated to deluxe collector's editions and such these days, if it exists at all.

Posted July 9th by Pirate_Ninja
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That...is actually a pretty similar experience with the game that I had. I didn't really get Junctioning. I didn't really follow the story. But I loved the characters and the world, and managed to get through the game when I was younger. Years later, I replayed it and everything just sort of clicked. It's a very flawed system, and I completely understand why many hate it. It can take a while to sort of figure out a good way to Draw without making the game slow down so much it becomes boring. But it might actually be my favorite of the series. (Definitely isn't the best, but is one that I think I like more than the rest, for whatever reason.)

I liked Triple Triad, but the more rules you unlock and the more complex it gets, the less I was interested in it. I still have a hard time keeping each region's rules straight, and there are some weird ones that just don't make sense to me.

The only real difference for me was that I didn't like the music the first time I played it, or even really the second time. And, well, suffice it to say I have no idea what was wrong with me, because I love it now.


It's funny: my first complete Final Fantasy experience was X, which I don't hate but would put near the bottom of the pack in terms of best and favorite rankings. (I was never allowed to own a gaming system until I was in high school. My friend was a fan of IV, and his brother played a lot of I, so I had dabbled ever so slightly into those prior, but X was the first I owned and completed.)

Posted July 9th by Jet Presto
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I got about halfway through disk 2 before I stopped. I didn't care for the game at all

Posted July 9th by -Riku-
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The battling is fun until you give yourself godly stats and lion heart and then you can cream every boss in the game.


I never understand this argument. It's literally true of every Final Fantasy game.

Posted July 9th by Jet Presto
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Squall at 1/4 HP -> Limit Break -> win.

Posted July 9th by nullfather
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I love the space scene , i want them to remake the game the same way frame for frame with better grahpics, its my all time favorite game. i personally support the squall is dead theory i think it makes more sense

Posted July 9th by Brandy
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Quistis can kill any nonboss instantly too.


Are you actually thinking of Selphie and her The End ability? Or am I forgetting something about Quistis?

Posted July 10th by nullfather
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Wow. Sounds like I wrote the OP almost. Except I did beat it age 11-12 the first time, and I think I understood the weird aspects of the story better each time around.

I also definitely felt myself drawn to Rinoa-like girls most of my life.

I got about halfway through disk 2 before I stopped. I didn't care for the game at all

*PERMABANNED*

But you can do it on disk 1.

Then don't do it? It's not like getting the Lion Heart on Disk 1 is easy. And even then, you can't even select the Lion Heart finisher, it's random.

Quistis can kill any nonboss instantly too.

You mean Degenerator? I think that thing can even miss sometimes.

Are you actually thinking of Selphie and her The End ability? Or am I forgetting something about Quistis?

Selphie can use Rapture on normal enemies and The End on anyone, even bosses. But both are rare to see. I think it takes over 100 tries to find The End on average, so most people probably won't even know it exists without a guidebook.



Posted July 12th by Trever Leingod
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Degenerator


Degenerator never misses, but Grats, Vysages, Lefty, Righty, Cactuars, Tonberries, Esthar Soldier (Terminator) (although Quistis can't fight these enemies), UFO?, PuPu, and bosses (except Oilboyle) are immune to it.


Oh, that's why I didn't use it. It sucks.

Selphie can use Rapture on normal enemies and The End on anyone, even bosses. But both are rare to see. I think it takes over 100 tries to find The End on average, so most people probably won't even know it exists without a guidebook.


The reason that The End was so busted was you could pop open the disc tray and the game would stop while you hit retry on Selphie's Limit Break as many times as you want.

Not that you would need to, because Squall at 1/4 HP -> Limit Break -> win.

Posted July 12th by nullfather
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How does it suck?


It's literally a worse version of Rapture/The End.

Posted July 12th by nullfather
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It's quick for grinding on TICTH

Posted July 12th by I killed Mufasa
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It's quick for grinding on TICTH


So? Any of the decent Limit Breaks are.

It's not like grinding on TICTH was important anyway. Character level meant very little in VIII; getting AP was a lot more important. That's why grinding on the cactuar island (where Squall and his 255% accuracy did the work) was better and why TICTH was better for drawing magic while you run around with an encounter down 100% ability active.

Posted July 12th by nullfather
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And Renzokuken is nauseating to watch for every battle.




But Quistis is the go to girl if you just want to one and done it without any waiting.


And like I said, if you wanted to grind like a smart person, you'd just go to the cactuar island where you can basically use any Limit Break and get shitloads of AP.

Posted July 13th by nullfather
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FF4 was my first Final Fantasy, but 8 was one of the early ones I played. I don't really understand why so many people say it is a bad game just because they don't have the patience to learn either the junction system or waiting for draw magic to stock up to 100 in your inventory. Besides those people seem to ignore the fact that GFs can teach you abilities that will turn items into magic (and you can draw magic from draw points as well), it really isn't that tedious. If you play MMOs you spend hours killing the same enemies to farm loot, and drawing magic for hours is basically a different type of farming to me.

I understand people find Lionheart op, but do you even know that half the time it doesn't even trigger when you use Renzokuken? That means you still need to be lucky in order for Squall to even unleash it. Granted he still manages to deal a lot of damage before unleashing it, but that damage is not guaranteed 9999, like Lionheart is. Leveling up in the game is a double-edged sword, you do get better stats and an easier time to draw high-level magic from monsters, but they also become stronger and more difficult to kill. Just try to fight a Ruby Dragon or a Malboro at level 100. they are hell.

As for the story I can't really complain. I always liked Squall's relationship with Rinoa and how it grows through the story. Some people may find it a bit cheesy, but then again the main characters are meant to be a bunch of immature teenagers so of course they will get on some people's nerves.

Posted July 13th by Master60
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I understand people find Lionheart op, but do you even know that half the time it doesn't even trigger when you use Renzokuken? That means you still need to be lucky in order for Squall to even unleash it. Granted he still manages to deal a lot of damage before unleashing it, but that damage is not guaranteed 9999, like Lionheart is.


It doesn't matter. If Lionheart is even a chance, that means you have Squall's ultimate weapon. Unless your junctions are absolutely retarded, you're going to do enough damage to kill pretty much any non-boss.

I don't really understand why so many people say it is a bad game just because they don't have the patience to learn either the junction system or waiting for draw magic to stock up to 100 in your inventory. Besides those people seem to ignore the fact that GFs can teach you abilities that will turn items into magic (and you can draw magic from draw points as well), it really isn't that tedious. If you play MMOs you spend hours killing the same enemies to farm loot, and drawing magic for hours is basically a different type of farming to me.


I've got to admit that I've never seen people with this particular complaint, especially with the fact that you can transform enemies into cards and synthesize cards into rare magic/items. You can literally optimize your party by playing Triple Triad.

The Junction system isn't complicated. I just think it's stupid.

Magic drawing isn't tedious. I just think it's stupid.

I hate the idea of para-magic. The concept of magic being reduced to items and having characters equip those items drives me up the fucking wall. The fact that anyone can use any magic or GF (and, by extension, any ability outside of unique Limit Breaks) feels like a slightly less terrible precursor to the dogshit trainwreck that was FFXII's License Board.

IX was a very deserved return to the sensible Job-based characters.

Posted July 13th by nullfather
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It doesn't matter. If Lionheart is even a chance, that means you have Squall's ultimate weapon. Unless your junctions are absolutely retarded, you're going to do enough damage to kill pretty much any non-boss.

Keyword is ultimate weapon, which generally means that there is usually some type of obstacle you must overcome/rare items you need in order to get it. Character tend to kill anything quickly once they obtain their ultimate weapons. Also try playing the game on your first run without looking up guides on the net. Will you even know how to get the Lionheart then?

I've got to admit that I've never seen people with this particular complaint, especially with the fact that you can transform enemies into cards and synthesize cards into rare magic/items. You can literally optimize your party by playing Triple Triad.

Spoony did complain about it in his review of the game though, granted he did mention the whole card-system in a later episode of the review though.

The Junction system isn't complicated. I just think it's stupid.

You're entitled to your opinion.

IX was a very deserved return to the sensible Job-based characters.

What's wrong with a job-system? Traditional RPGs utilize a class system in almost every game since basically the tabletop-days pretty much. It gives players a lot of freedom to choose whatever strengths/weaknesses they wanted their characters to have.

Posted July 14th by Master60
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Keyword is ultimate weapon, which generally means that there is usually some type of obstacle you must overcome/rare items you need in order to get it. Character tend to kill anything quickly once they obtain their ultimate weapons.


I'm sorry, what is this supposed to mean? You appear to be half agreeing with me and half bringing up pointless statements.

Also try playing the game on your first run without looking up guides on the net.


I grew up without internet, guy. Just because I know how to poke around in corners when I play an RPG doesn't mean I looked up a guide on the internet.

What's wrong with a job-system? Traditional RPGs utilize a class system in almost every game since basically the tabletop-days pretty much. It gives players a lot of freedom to choose whatever strengths/weaknesses they wanted their characters to have.


There's nothing wrong with the Job system...that's the entire point of what I said there.

Work on your reading comprehension.

Posted July 14th by nullfather
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I'm sorry, what is this supposed to mean? You appear to be half agreeing with me and half bringing up pointless statements.

It means that you would need to know how to obtain the Lionheart in the first place in order to make your character "op" (and the same thing goes with all the other characters of the game).

I grew up without internet, guy. Just because I know how to poke around in corners when I play an RPG doesn't mean I looked up a guide on the internet.

You could have also subscribed to magazines such as Nintendo Power for instance (but that is irrelevant if you said you don't need a guide). I'm just saying. There is an added challenge in obtaining the ultimate weapon in most Final Fantasy-games before your characters can become "op".

There's nothing wrong with the Job system...that's the entire point of what I said there.

The way I interpreted what you wrote, it made it seem like you were more of a fan of characters that were locked by class, rather than having the ability to assign them one. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Posted July 14th by Master60
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It means that you would need to know how to obtain the Lionheart in the first place in order to make your character "op" (and the same thing goes with all the other characters of the game).


...sure?

You could have also subscribed to magazines such as Nintendo Power for instance (but that is irrelevant if you said you don't need a guide). I'm just saying. There is an added challenge in obtaining the ultimate weapon in most Final Fantasy-games before your characters can become "op".


What's your point?

Posted July 14th by nullfather
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What's your point?

I'm pretty sure his point is, even if it is OP, it is not easy to obtain. Certain enemies are still no pushover with the Lion Heart, especially enemies like Omega Weapon.

Posted July 14th by Trever Leingod
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I'm pretty sure his point is, even if it is OP, it is not easy to obtain.


I wouldn't say that it's hard to obtain. Tedious, yes, but not hard.

Certain enemies are still no pushover with the Lion Heart, especially enemies like Omega Weapon.


The end-game optional superboss? Yes. That one is hard.

Posted July 14th by nullfather
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There's a location in disc 2 with an easier enemy to farm than Elnoyles. IIRC their card gives more Energy Crystals as well.

Posted July 14th by nullfather
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