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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER
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Town Hall stormed in London
Posted: Posted June 17th by #85

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/130263685
can Smiling or Arch give us a quick rundown?

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It would have cost just £5000 extra to make sure that the cladding on Grenfell Tower was of a fire proof variety. Instead, one made of polyethylene was employed, a highly combustible material that even the American firm that makes it says shouldn't be used on tall buildings. Indeed, it is banned for such use there and in Germany. Naturally, people are upset that well over a hundred dead may have been the result of cost cutting that only saved £5000. And so people have stormed London City Hall and are protesting in the streets demanding answers.

This reminds me of the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire in the 1910s that called attention to fire safety in high-rises in New York. I hope this incident has the same effect of causing all-encompassing reform.

It is remarkable that /pol/ can still find a reason to hate immigrants even when they're entirely innocent in this case. I suggest you stop going to them for news. Immigrants and poor people always tend to suffer most from austerity.

Posted June 17th by JJ
JJ
 

Good.

Posted June 17th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

And to correct myself, the town hall that was stormed was the local town hall in Kensington, not the City Hall building for all London. The latter would have been impressive, but still, I'm glad they're protesting.

Posted June 17th by JJ
JJ
 

so you want to accept these muslim chimpouts as "just the way it is"?

Posted June 17th by #85
#85

Immigrants and Muslims don't deserve to be out in fire-prone housing.

Everyone here has to deal with your hillbilly nonsense and shitposting and that's the way it is, too. Feel free to go back to /pol/ and celebrate immigrant Muslims dying in a fire, though.

Posted June 17th by Agis in the US
Agis in the US
 

your answer is give them more so they dont riot?

Posted June 17th by #85
#85

Muzzie "refugee" is making a bomb to kill native Brits

Instead it blows up in his apartment

He flees without telling anyone because he is guilty

Dozens of his fellow people burn like rats

Police tries to cover it up saying it was started by a faulty refrigerator


interesting theory from /pol/

Posted June 17th by #85
#85

or maybe it was just a faulty refrigerator and you're gloating about peoples' deaths because you're a diarrhea-covered asshole of a subhuman being

Posted June 17th by poptart!
poptart!
 

^

Posted June 17th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

im not gloating about any deaths wtf

Posted June 17th by #85
#85

muslim chimpouts

UGH

Posted June 17th by Xhin
Xhin
 

is chimpout not an appropriate term?

Posted June 17th by #85
#85

He was praising the violent chimpout Bundy and the rest of the rednecks had when they attempted to force the feds hand.

And now he's criticizing Muslims and other individuals who have actual legitimate gripes. Disgusting.

Posted June 17th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

You'd better believe if my landlord put up some tacky-ass siding that ended up setting the entire complex on fire that the landlord, town hall, and everyone else who'd listen would be hearing about it, and loudly.

Edited June 17th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

#85 is a walking, talking wad of chewing tobacco with a (relatively small) brain. i mean that's impressive but he still belongs on the trash with the other drooling neo-nazi /pol/ nerds

Posted June 18th by poptart!
poptart!
 

I thought it might turn into a riot over the weekend, but the protest has remained entirely peaceful.

These people have every right to be angry. They were let down at every level, not because of a lack of money but because of a total lack of care. The situation was entirely avoidable and now a lot of people are either homeless or died in the most awful way imaginable.

Edited June 18th by Smiling Apple
Smiling Apple

Dude chimpout is a really offensive word. I mean #85 probably doesn't care but SOH man? Come on.

Posted June 18th by Xhin
Xhin
 

"just the way it is"

Well no. I'm glad the community isn't accepting poor living conditions as just the way it is. That sort of thing should be addressed by all of us. It has been an important issue historically, and one that has often required a lot of noise to address.

Speaking of noise, I hope this sort of noise in particular (https://mobile.twitter.com/Vinny_LBC/status/876391752856481792/video/1) does become "just the way it is." The community seems to know who the heroes are even if you don't.

Posted June 18th by JJ
JJ
 

It bothers me because he's a fucking hypocrite if those rioters were right wing whites he would be praising them.

Posted June 18th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

Didn't we ban racism as a nation like a few decades ago? You know, because not all Christians are members of the KKK, or the Sicilian Mafia, or European invaders?

ISIS is identifying as Muslim as a way to remove themselves from the wrongdoing of their own actions, quite literally the same reason White Nationalists use to justify lynching Black men in trees and going to church without finding any flaw in their actions. It is fallacious at best, and irredeemably idiotic at second best.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/no-islam-isnt-inherently-violent-and-the-math-proves-it
We already know MUSLIMS aren't the problem, but ISIS, VIOLENCE, and INCOME INEQUALITY are. We can certainly do something to actually stop this from continuing if we actually address those issues. The root cause of which, of course, is not religion, but income inequality. Excessively wealthy tax dodgers have become the norm in the modern world all around the world: the UK and its gargantuan debt is certainly no exception. A society that functions well for everybody gives little reason for violence to persist, and these are the findings from many multinational studies pertaining to crime and violence: when standard of living goes up and people don't have to worry about making a living, crime always goes down. When people are well educated, work together, and are able to live well and in peace, when they witness how far that strength in numbers goes, extremism, violence, crime, hate, and racism are far less likely to occur. This is true for all violent crime, not just terrorism.

Every day we can post a new page on this forum with several hundred Americans who died from cigarette smoke, including a few people from the UK who died from a staircase. But no, the 2,000,000,000 Muslims who are halfway decent people, according to you, don't matter. The few thousand who are terrorists have completely preoccupied the entire world's attention and nobody is doing anything to solve the problem. Income inequality in America is not falling, and the world is growing even more unstable.

Posted June 18th by mariomguy
mariomguy

I mean #85 probably doesn't care but SOH man?

SOH is clearly using the word facetiously.

Didn't we ban racism as a nation like a few decades ago?

We did no such thing, not that I know what race has to do with Islam.

Posted June 18th by Famov
Famov

Lately some (typically) brown people like Sikhs, Indians, and even Mexicans, have been the target of hate crimes because the perpetrators thought they "looked Muslim". Even if it nominally isn't about race, the fact that these perpetrators think they can tell who is Muslim just by looking at them adds an unavoidably racial dimension to the issue as, perforce, some races will receive more hate than others.

Posted June 18th by JJ
JJ
 

It would be in your best Interest not to speak on my behalf famov. And no Im not using the word chmpout facetiously but I wouldn't really expect you of all people to understand that.

Posted June 18th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

Your use of the word is in direct response to #85's use of the word, i.e. in a mocking, facetious tone, meant to demonstrate perceived hypocrisy on his part. Thus, the "offensive" intent that Xhin read into it simply isn't there. Of course if you have an alternate interpretation I will graciously accept it.

Lately some (typically) brown people like Sikhs, Indians, and even Mexicans, have been the target of hate crimes because the perpetrators thought they "looked Muslim". Even if it nominally isn't about race, the fact that these perpetrators think they can tell who is Muslim just by looking at them adds an unavoidably racial dimension to the issue as, perforce, some races will receive more hate than others.

What hate crimes? Regardless, the painfully obvious minimizing rhetorical devices used by mariomguy in his most recent post included (among other things) the implicit assumption that opposition to Islam is racism. Granted, everything he said was a total non sequitur with only the vaguest connection to the subject of the thread, but it seemed necessary to correct the two most glaring flaws of his post. Islam is not a race, and racism is not "banned", whatever that would mean.

Edited June 18th by Famov
Famov

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-14/germany-confiscating-homes-use-migrants
Germany Confiscating Homes To Use For Migrants

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Thoughts? Pretty crazy right? I mean even a supreme cucklord like poptart has to think this is cuckish. Should we give our homes to migrants now? You aren't a racist are you?

Posted June 18th by #85
#85

xhin wth? Are you sjw or something now? any race can chimpout imo (I would def not call the Bundy Ranch a chimpout. Look who smashes and loots buuldings vs who protests the right way)

Posted June 18th by #85
#85

Merkel is on a cultural suicide mission, yes, but don't act so shocked; there's no culture on the planet that hates themselves as much as the Germans do and there hasn't been since 1945. What exactly do you expect us, a bunch of Americans and the soon-to-be-Brexited, to do about it? I do not support migration quotas and I firmly believe they're acceptable grounds for divorce.

Nevertheless, I know #85 (while, admittedly, pretty stupid) isn't stupid enough not to realize that comparing whatever ethnicity (I notice, invariably, it's always the brown ones) that happens to have drawn one's ire to lesser primates is deeply dishonest, evocative of 19th century phrenologist dreck, and barely worthy of a response.

Can we move on?

Posted June 18th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

Racial science is watered down by political correctness. You cant seriously disagree can you?

Posted June 18th by #85
#85

He is retarded.

Its only a matter of time before he claims racial superiority and shoots up a brown neighborhood.

Posted June 18th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

The only racial science I know of is how the amount of melanin in your skin does not matter, except when it comes to sunburns. And the denser build of someone with African genealogy makes them more likely to be stronger but also sink in water. Great intelligence is present across the board. It is not a lack of intelligence that prevented so many African American scientists from gaining historical recognition, but our corrupt laws that had prevented such people from integrating properly with society.

Our genes are passed down through millions of generations, but the most likely genes to recur are the last 7. After 7 generations of Africans blending with Whites, you won't have diatomic race anymore. We don't even have diatomic race right now! Race has absolutely nothing to do with anything you're talking about! You think race is what caused ISIS' craziness? Then what about the last few millions of years when Arabs were traditionally the least likely people to commit crimes in the world? Same goes for Muslims! Race and religion is not the problem. That's why we stopped discriminating ages ago: it's wrong and makes you look stupid.

Posted June 18th by mariomguy
mariomguy

Racial science is watered down by political correctness. You cant seriously disagree can you?

The obsessive need for The Correct Politics(TM) in academia taints everything it touches, but the need for mediocre rich kids to redefine science because they aren't any good at it does not justify your personal blatant racism nor does it lend any credibility to tremendously dated racial theories about "less evolved" specimens of humanity. If it was at all possible to approach race science with an ideologically clear head and without either would-be ubermensch like yourself or Nation of Islam nutbars practically creaming their pants at the notion of having their prejudices verified, I'd support that - but it isn't.

Posted June 18th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

What hate crimes? Well I'll give a few prominent examples. An Indian man in Colorado had his house vandalized in February by an assailant who knew only that he was "brown" and, therefore, considered dangerous. The same month two Indians in Kansas were shot, and one killed, by a former navy sailor who mistook them for Arabs. After 9/11 it was reported that Sikhs were being harassed and beaten after their assailants mistook them for Muslims in account of their turbans, and now that there has been a spike in anti-Muslim hate crimes there has once again been a concordant spike in attacks against Sikhs who are mistaken for Muslims; such attacks have not happened on this scale since 2001. (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/06/asia/sikh-hate-crimes-us-muslims/index.html). I have also personally heard from Mexicans who get similar treatment when people see their skin and then immediately assume that they are Muslim until they talk. And this is to say nothing of all those other attacks where the perp really did know the victim's real religion and ethnicity, and still called them "terrorists" anyway.

Posted June 18th by JJ
JJ
 

We created ISIS by stirring more turmoil in the Middle East. The Gulf war, the Iraq war, now the Syrian war, we've been helping Israel occupy Palestine for the last few decades at least, and now we're sending guns to Saudi Arabia... All this stuff has an effect. Palestinians are forced to leave their homes and enter through Jordan. Syrians have to leave Syria and enter all of Europe.

It was found that women who are educated and have careers also have less children and live more stable lives, but in the Middle East unless you're in Egypt or Saudi Arabia, education is not typically high on the list, and in those countries as well as others women are not always encouraged to leave their families and live fulfilling careers, but are instead encouraged to remain in the family unit.

There's a lot more at play here, but we keep getting stuck on MUSLIM! ARAB! GENES! If we're actually going to solve these problems on this thread, #85 needs to use his brain at some point in the conversation. Not every problem is caused by race, and they won't get solved if he keeps pretending they are.

Posted June 18th by mariomguy
mariomguy

We created ISIS by stirring more turmoil in the Middle East.

Now you're gonna be called a victim blamer by Smiling Apple too, if I was reading that whole situation right. That or he'll just ignore you and quietly think you're "scum".

Edited June 18th by KnucklesMK8
KnucklesMK8
 

Also I don't get why you people are even wasting your effort on #85. He's the type of person to change his point of view, unless he was being forced to.

But ya I have heard of it happening before this. And if Germany really is kicking people out of their homes for immigrants it's fucked. if they're not giving citizens a different place to live it's especially fucked. That bothered me as well, however I have no idea how bad it really is. Even worse I don't know how I can trust a source about a country I don't even live in.

Edited June 19th by KnucklesMK8
KnucklesMK8
 

Because we're all masochists, or we would've left this site for a better one ages ago.

Posted June 18th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

I wouldn't say I'm a masochist although I don't know why I'm here other than the fact that I have been here a long time. But ya good point.

Edited June 19th by KnucklesMK8
KnucklesMK8
 

Heres a real racial science redpill : Different races are different admixtures of different hominid species. This is FACT. Only problem is it triggers certain people and destroys the narrative that "we are all the same"

Posted June 18th by #85
#85

But we are close enough to being the same that we can put it aside. Hell if I can get along with a dog surely I can get along with someone who can speak and understand me

Posted June 19th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

It is not so much that people are being triggered, but rather that your claims are pretty specious and don't deserve the air of confidence with which you present them. While it is true that most human beings outside Africa have some admixture with Neanderthals, the admixture is very widespread across races and is not at all enough to make the claim that different races constitute different species on that account, nor is that admixture at all responsible for the balance of power that we see in the world today. Race exists on a broad a continuum and although you can look at regions and see certain physical and genetic traits that have been repeatedly selected for, there is no cut off point where one race becomes another. Neither are these traits different enough that they would be responsible for which societies are stable and which are not.

Posted June 19th by JJ
JJ
 

Redpill science is almost invariably bullshit science.

Posted June 19th by JJ
JJ
 

One thing is clear. Individuals like 85 do not belong in civilized society.

Posted June 19th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

JJ the hominid admixture extends beyond just Neanderthal. The fact is race can in fact be determined by genetics, the fuck are you claiming? That race doesnt exist? Race doesnt exist? Fine, time to end affirmative action, then !

Posted June 19th by #85
#85

Race does exist obviously, but I think all of them have evolved far enough that no one has to be a dick about it anymore.

Posted June 19th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I see no indication that these admixtures matter nearly as much as you're saying. We can see them recorded in our genes, but that is about it. Modern racial "groups" as we see them dispersed today are a much more recent phenomenon genetically speaking. And the groups melt into each other on the continuum to the point where insisting that they must be kept entirely separate says more about the sensibilities of the one making the claim than it does about what the genetic reality actually means. The admixtures you refer to don't conclusively point to anything that matters in modern race relations.

Posted June 19th by JJ
JJ
 

JJ literally said "race exists" in a sentence and yet somehow #85 read it as "race doesn't exist".

Posted June 19th by KnucklesMK9
KnucklesMK9
 

Thank you Knuckles for possessing reading comprehension.

You get one hug.

Posted June 19th by JJ
JJ
 

has #85 been huffing paint? he hasn't responded intelligently to a single point anyone has made in this thread

Posted June 19th by poptart!
poptart!
 

You get one hug.

Thanx

he hasn't responded intelligently to a single point anyone has made in this thread

I thought that was #85 at least 85% of the time.

Edited June 19th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

i'm pretty sure he used to be more articulate. maybe he got kicked in the head by a horse

Edited June 19th by poptart!
poptart!
 

I can't even remember a single instance, but if that is true maybe he just discovered /pol/ at some point.

Edited June 19th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

oh, no, he was always a bright red target for antifa; i'm just saying that the way he types has changed. probably some sort of mental degradation

Posted June 19th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Well I don't mean /pol/ in the meme sense. And, I know but he didn't strike me as a literal /pol/ user till recently. He just seemed like he was close to getting there.

Posted June 19th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

I have browsed /pol/ since its founding from /new/ what 6 years ago?

Posted June 19th by #85
#85

huffing paint

It's probably Cernovich's dubious vitamin supplements. He's got that Gorilla Mindset now

Posted June 19th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

I haven't listened much to Thernovich, seems ok but somewhat cuckservative

Posted June 19th by #85
#85

Wow, they're working really well

Posted June 19th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

I usually skip infowars episodes if alex isnt hosting.

Posted June 19th by #85
#85

Heres a real racial science redpill : Different races are different admixtures of different hominid species. This is FACT. Only problem is it triggers certain people and destroys the narrative that "we are all the same"

From my previous post:

Our genes are passed down through millions of generations, but the most likely genes to recur are the last 7. After 7 generations of Africans blending with Whites, you won't have diatomic race anymore.


When you combine an African with a British person, you get a baby with the mixing of both genes and their ancestors. Keeping gene pools segregated is VERY unhealthy for the human population. Yes, the gene pool is largely segregated, but your genetic history is not as clean or as pure as you might hope it would be. If it was, then there's a good chance you would become even more susceptible to disease than you already are. For centuries we've enacted laws to encourage selective genes, and we're paying for it with our health and our livelihood.

In all races you will find artists, engineers, brilliant scientists and poets. Race is not a domineering factor when it comes to personal intelligence, but in our society it does play a role in who gets chosen to certain schools, who gets better opportunities, and who eventually has the resources to succeed, which is why applying the reverse logic works: If you are an African American, you are more likely not a billionaire. But that is a social problem, not a racial problem. Our genes will be fine if we just stop selectively breeding with them. If we fix income inequality and society, everyone will benefit, not one race more than another. The truth to this is quite obvious: the gene pool for both Africans and Caucasians are rather limited in their bubbles. There are flaws with BOTH gene pools, and neither of which is entirely incapable or inherently "better" than the other.

You want to watch your racial theory burst into flames? Read ANY document about purebred dogs VS. mutts in regards to longevity and health. By selectively breeding dogs we create genetic problems that we don't know how to fix because we keep in-breeding these puppies and lowering their genetic diversity to prevent genes that were intended to fix these problems from affecting the way certain dogs LOOK. Mutts, especially multiple-generation mutts, are less prone to these abnormalities. They range from eye problems to hip and back problems to sensory issues and yes, even intelligence has a genetic factor. But again, this is not proof in any way that some races are inherently more intelligent because society plays a larger role with that than we know. Stephen Hawking has great intelligence and ALS. Someone like him born in the projects probably would probably be seen as a vegetable with no hope or future.
http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/the-great-debate-are-mutts-healthier-than-purebreds

Posted June 19th by mariomguy
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