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London Fire: Muslims Beginning Ramadan Fast May Have Saved Lives In Grenfell Tower
Posted: Posted June 14th
Edited June 14th by ShadowFox08

Muslims who were awake because they were beginning their Ramadan fast “saved people’s lives” when a deadly blaze broke out at a west London tower block, HuffPost UK has been told.

At least 50 people have been taken to five hospitals for treatment as hundreds of residents in the 27-storey, 120 flat, Grenfell Tower in north Kensington have been evacuated from their flats in the building that caught fire just after 1.15am.

A local woman told HuffPost UK: “Muslim boys saved people’s lives. They ran around knocking on people’s doors. Thank God for Ramadan”

Khalid Suleman Ahmed, 20, recently moved to Grenfell Tower with his auntie and lives on the eighth floor.

He said he would not normally have been up in the middle of the night but had stayed up during Ramadan for Suhur, the meal before Muslims begin fasting again during daylight hours.

However, upon realising there was a fire he immediately began banging on his neighbours’ doors to wake them.

He told HuffPost UK: “No fire alarms went off and there were no warning. I was playing PlayStation waiting to eat suhuur (beginning of fast meal) then smelt smoke. I got up and looked out of my window and saw the seventh floor smoking.

“I woke my auntie up, then got clothes on and started knocking on neighbours’ doors. Every house opened except two - I saw the other guy later on so only 1 family unaccounted for. My next door neighbour was fast asleep.

“The whole corridor went black with thick smoke. I didn’t think it was serious at all me and my auntie thought it was an isolated incident but we’d just evacuate just to be safe. When we went out and were taken by the firemen to a safer place then we saw that it still hadn’t reached our house - 20 minutes or so later our house was gone. The firefighters were very quick. They immediately started work.

“People were calm walking out but when they realised loved ones were missing or unaccounted then they started to panic. Once we were outside it started to spread more.

He added: “I would be up this late on a Friday night possibly but never a random midweek night unless it was Ramadan. There are a lot of Muslims living there and people choose up to stay up and wait so it was certainly a factor for me and others. It probably did save lives.”

A witness also told Sky News that Muslims who were awake had been a “lifeline”.

A number of Islamic cultural centres and mosques also opened their doors to help those affected.

*A bunch of faith groups from Islamic, Christian, and Sikh communites got involved to to offer food, shelter, etc. Don't think anyone died, but tons got injured. Glad for that! For more, check the link

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/london-fire-muslims-breaking-ramadan-fast-may-have-saved-lives-in-grenfell-tower_uk_59410ad3e4b0d3185486088c?

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It's a nice story within the bigger tragedy of this fire.

What's may be significant is that this high rise had a lot of Muslims, from what I've read, most of them not well off.

Posted June 14th by Agis in the US
Agis in the US
 

Don't think anyone died, but tons got injured.

I'm afraid death toll has risen to 17 with more fatalities expected.

In fact, seeing as the building is now structurally unsound and individual flats have not been searched, that number will rise dramatically in time.

What's may be significant is that this high rise had a lot of Muslims, from what I've read, most of them not well off.

Grenfell was a high rise postwar block in the poorer part of K & C. This is incidentally one of the most deprived areas in the UK, despite K & C as a whole being the wealthiest on average in the country. It is an area of extreme and stark inequality. Everyone there was likely to not be well-off, regardless of their faith, skin colour or ethnicity.

And as much as it comforts how aid groups and local organisations mobilised quickly, this has highlighted serious problems and nefarious failings on the part of the local authority, regulators and, more importantly, governments present and past.

These aid groups should not have had to have mobilised in such a fashion. The ad hoc arrangements underlined their lack of coordination and lack of authoritative control (emphatically not their fault). This was a job for the state and emergency services, not the just the goodwill of local residents. The council - who had ignored the resident's association concerns over routine fire safety checks and the insufficent fire exit situation in the building - clearly have acted with negligence.

The government, with an obsession for light-touch regulation, has ignored the findings of the 2015 Fire Sector Federation Survey, and various reports since the early 1990s on the fire risks in these types of blocks, and has not fully reviewed the Building Regulations 2006 (since its inception as legislation). Councils, now anaemic by almost a decade of cuts, are less able to enforce and observe statutory duties given the lack of funding and that most of social housing is now in the hands of corporate mergers and private partnerships who cannot be relied upon to replicate this public sector responsibility.

The risks of cladding, lack of fire breaks and voids in insulation facades are not unknown to the industry. What is most damning is how this has happened after the Southwark fire in 2009, which was a similar incident, as well as Southampton and global fire outbreaks in high rises. There is nothing to suggest this was out of the blue, and indeed, as stated by the Grenfell resident's assocation last year, it was a death trap waiting to erupt into disaster.

Ministers in government, in particular the Housing Minister Alok Sharma as well as his predecessor Gavin Barwell, and the K & C council need to answer to some extremely serious questions and must be subject to accountability if not responsibility for these failings, as well as significant change for the regulator in terms of enforcement. Otherwise, this is going to happen again; there are hundreds upon hundreds of these blocks in London alone, so sadly I think it might happen sooner rather than later.

Edited June 15th by Arch
Arch
 

Great post Arch.

It really is astounding that the cladding put up on this tower block was well-known to pose a significant fire risk, and yet it went up nonetheless. It's also disgraceful that the concerns of the residents were ignored or, even worse, dismissed as "harassment" and threatened with legal action.

As you said, there needs to be accountability for what happened, right up to and including the ministers responsible for shelving a review into fire safety.

We also need to seriously address the problem of affordable housing in this country. We are in a crisis - shunting the poor into utterly unfit accommodation and then ignoring them and pretending they don't exist. There must be a better way. It is not beyond our government or housing developers to address this crisis. This goes beyond the tragedy of Grenfell Tower.

Posted June 15th by Smiling Apple
Smiling Apple

Liberal answer : bring in more of these people so I can virtue signal on online forums how Im not racist!

Posted June 17th by #85
#85
Mike "Zap the Gay Away" Pence

Daft cunt answer: Li-BOO-rools!

Posted June 17th by Chain Chomp
Chain Chomp
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