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House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R) shot at GOP baseball practice
Posted: Posted June 14th by Agis in the US

Shooter in custody. Said to be middle aged white male.

Five wounded in total. Scalise expected to make full recovery.

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Hearing some conflicting reports about it. A bunch of people were reporting that the shooter asked what party they belonged to before firing, but others reported that story was unconfirmed.

I reeeeeeeeally hate "breaking news." I don't understand why they have to spend the entire time feeding information that may or may not actually be accurate, rather than just shutting up and waiting to actually get confirmation on details before reporting...

It's like that situation in DC where a white fan swerved and hit pedestrians. Reports indicated it was a drunk driver, the authorities basically said that they were operating under the notion that was that as well. But then a story came out that they were not ruling out the possibility of terrorism yet either. So THEN news was "breaking" that a car swerved and killed some pedestrians, and it might have been a drunk driver, or it might have been terrorism! Like, why not just fucking wait, so if it is a drunk driver, just report that. Or if it turns out to be a terrorist attack, just report that. Why the need to be like, "This thing happened! It might be nothing, but it might be TERRORISM!" Just feels horribly irresponsible.

(Also why I generally prefer the papers always to television, radio, and internet news. The ability to "report as it happens" is almost synonymous with reporting false information. I'd rather a medium where they have to actually print the story the next day so they can gather maximum information before reporting...)

Posted June 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Terrible news.

Posted June 14th by Temerit
Temerit

Shooter is dead, and Scalise is in stable condition

Posted June 14th by ShadowFox08
ShadowFox08

SHOT BY BERNIE SUPPORTING LIBTARD, NOT BEING REPORTED BY LEFT WING MEDIA

Posted June 14th by #85
#85

You don't get this excited when Trump supporters kill people for fun.

Posted June 14th by Ghowilo
Ghowilo

America has a storied history of politically motivated murder, and on the face of things that seems like all this is likely to be.

Why the need to be like, "This thing happened! It might be nothing, but it might be TERRORISM!" Just feels horribly irresponsible.

Nevertheless I agree entirely with what Jet said on this point.

Hodgkinson is a bit older than one would expect from a would-be assassin. Normally an established man of 66 years has enough wisdom to not throw away his life, and if I were to guess blindly I would suggest that he probably had some other problems going on. What I've read has said that he operated a home inspection business and did not renew his license in November. He's certainly old enough to retire though, so that probably doesn't mean anything and it's not worth speculating in any case.

Posted June 14th by Famov
Famov

SHOT BY BERNIE SUPPORTING LIBTARD, NOT BEING REPORTED BY LEFT WING MEDIA


Was he really a bernie supporter? Bernie doesn't advocate violence, so nice try. Trump on the other hand sure as hell condoned them in hiis primaries during his rallies.

Posted June 14th by ShadowFox08
ShadowFox08

How about we ban liberals from owning guns? Problem solved!

Posted June 14th by #85
#85

sure after we kick out all the trump supporters

Posted June 14th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Yeah! The only people who should have guns are right-wingers who shoot up schools and abortion clinics! Problem solved!

Posted June 14th by Ghowilo
Ghowilo

He looks to have at least admired Sanders.

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It really doesn't matter though. When I would make a joke about the Sanders Sandinistas I would exaggerate something that I nevertheless thought had a grain of truth to it. You know, the entitled, dope smoking college kid angle, but there's nothing here to work with. I refuse to be part of an effort to pin the crimes of one man onto the left.

Edited June 14th by Famov
Famov

SHOT BY BERNIE SUPPORTING LIBTARD, NOT BEING REPORTED BY LEFT WING MEDIA



Not that it matters, but it has literally been reported a bunch by the left wing media. Sanders himself has even come out to release a statement.

Details are still emerging, though. I suspect, like Famov, it's probably just someone extremely frustrated politically who also likely had other issues going on. It's likely not that different a scenario to that Tuscon shooting in which a Democratic Congresswoman was shot.

Posted June 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I've talked to him on Bernie Facebook groups before. He was always a crazy, conspiracy theorist like 85. Never thought he'd shoot anyone though, just that he liked to spread fake news and conspiracy theories.

Posted June 14th by Ghowilo
Ghowilo

Allegedly the police officers who responded to the threat were wounded as well and continued to pursue the assailant in spite of them, so shout out to them as well for their mental toughness and dedication.

Posted June 14th by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

Some people are just assholes. There is no logical pathway from Sanders' policy platform and shooting innocent people. There will be real pathways that led him to this, but being a lefty isn't sufficient - as if it even needs to be stated.

Like Jet said, we know almost nothing about him at this point.

Posted June 14th by Smiling Apple
Smiling Apple

Not that it matters, but it has literally been reported a bunch by the left wing media. Sanders himself has even come out to release a statement.

Yeah doesn't play into your narrative so it "doesn't matter" . "What difference does it make?" right Jet? Lol

Posted June 14th by #85
#85

Allegedly the police officers who responded to the threat were wounded as well


I've read that they're being treated and are stable, which is good.


Posted June 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

I think you are being a little too soft SA.

Sanders is an admitted Socialist.

Communism calls for violent revolution.

In communism, they have a socialist "transitional period" (which never ends up happening, they end up remaining totalitarian regimes)

The 2 are cut from the same cloth


Posted June 14th by #85
#85

Yeah doesn't play into your narrative so it "doesn't matter" . "What difference does it make?" right Jet? Lol



...what?

Posted June 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

You brushed off the fact the shooter is a libtard...if you look at most of these domestic attacks they are ISIS types (people let in due to liberal open border policy) or liberals, you do get the occasional Dylann Roof or Pizzagate autist, but conservatives are generally the more law abiding
http://constitution.com/bombshell-new-study-suggests-liberals-far-likely-commit-crime-conservatives/

Posted June 14th by #85
#85

Sad that this happened, and equally sad will be the reactions. Modern discourse seems to encourage extremists on all sides to yell over each other, drowning out any voices of reason and eventually escalating to shit like this. No matter the shooter's motives or leanings, the current political and societal atmosphere certainly doesn't help matters.

Sanders is an admitted Socialist.

Communism calls for violent revolution.

Democratic socialism and communism/Marxism are two completely different schools of political thought. You know this too, you dishonest piece of shit.

Posted June 14th by pacman
pacman
 

its time to say goodnight to the left side.

Posted June 14th by #85
#85

Oooh, ok. There is some confusion here.

My "not that it matters" comment was referring to the fact that I had been reading this shooter was a Bernie supporter/volunteer from left wing media outlets, and you had just made a claim that it was not being reported on by left wing media outlets. I was saying that I didn't think it would matter to you whether they were actually reporting it or not. (Hence the second part of that statement, although I can see why it could cause confusion.)



Posted June 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

its time to say goodnight to the left side.

I predict America will either look like Star Trek or Idiocracy by 2050, depending on how millenials think and behave.

Posted June 14th by pacman
pacman
 

Lol one lefty has 85 all riled up but when a right winger shoots up a church or a school he's screaming red flag and fake news.

Posted June 14th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Modern discourse seems to encourage extremists on all sides to yell over each other,


I definitely feel this. It's not even that modern public discourse is encouraging people to yell. It's encouraging people to hate. I can't remember who it was, but there was some Democrat recently who made some glib comment about how she has no Republican friends, and the audience broke out into applause. That's fucked up. Not that she had no Republican friends, but that that statement got this weird support. Like, "Thank god!"

And granted, this kind of hostile animosity is a general staple of our country's history. (I mean, Democratic-Republican supporters of Madison literally killed and burnt the house of a Federalist journalist who voiced opposition to war with Britain in 1812! And we had a bunch of almost mini-revolutions break out in Washington's first term, amongst the emergence of papers and publications designed specifically to lie about members of the opposing party.) Still, would be nice to think we were capable of being better than our ancestors of 200 years ago, and we are on the most part. The problem might be primarily with television media, since that is formatted explicitly to draw ratings through political Jerry Springer acts, mixed with the age of the internet where people can wrap themselves in bubbles a lot more easily than ever.

Posted June 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

depending on how millenials think and behave.

That is not an encouraging thought.

Posted June 14th by Famov
Famov

I trust millennials as much as I trust old people, to be honest...

Posted June 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

what a fucking idiot. it seems like political violence had been happening a lot more lately.

"Hodgkinson is a bit older than one would expect from a would-be assassin. Normally an established man of 66 years has enough wisdom to not throw away his life"

it's the same way with white supremacists (or, it was in the past). they get old and lash out.

Posted June 14th by poptart!
poptart!
 

"I trust millennials as much as I trust old people, to be honest..."

I trust them far more. Millennials as a group seem much more forward-thinking, conscientious, and empathetic -- less selfish and hate-filled.

The boomer generation have been terrible stewards of the nation.

Edited June 14th by Temerit
Temerit

Fuck, I regret getting trapped into this left wing-right wing identity politics b.s.

Posted June 14th by ShadowFox08
ShadowFox08

Don't trust millennials to vote as much as old people though.

Posted June 14th by Agis in the US
Agis in the US
 

It doesn't matter if they vote or not.

Posted June 14th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

That's objectively not true.

Also, let me remind everyone, Hillary warned us all about these Berniebros.

Posted June 14th by Agis in the US
Agis in the US
 

That is not an encouraging thought.

Millenials aren't as bad as you might think. Contrary to thee way they're portrayed, not all millenials are spoiled, upper middle class SJWs who picket at Northwestern colleges over fake oppression. Those are the wealthy, privileged minority (yes even the black ones who think they are living through the 60s are privileged as fuck). Statistically, most millenials are quite hard working and productive overall, but compared to their boomer counterparts at the same age, they have little to show for it.

Edited June 15th by pacman
pacman
 

Also, let me remind everyone, Hillary warned us all about these Berniebros.

Get ready for more Bernie Bros, because millenials HATE Hillary Clinton amd the DNC.

Posted June 15th by pacman
pacman
 

Exactly. We have no spending power. And we will have no retirement. And we don't even know what we are working for because college didn't improve our odds and we have mountains of debt.

Voting didn't help us either. In the US the college decides everything, and in Canada yes the guy I voted for got in but he hasn't changed a damn thing.

Posted June 15th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I don't get why boomers and gen x have the right to call millenials entitled when it's us working for them making them profit off of our labour. That's the definition of entitlement. Like the guy who owns the small security company I work for has 40 guards and gets paid 20-30/hr per guard and only pays us 11/hr. That is entitlement.

Am I entitled for expecting to be able to work as a privately owned single security guard rather than giving away all the gravy and coffee foam to that asshole? Why should he be able to bully me into working hours I don't want to work and not even pay more for the shitty ones.

Edited June 15th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Maybe just stop generalizing people because they were born at certain times. Really as a millennial I think both boomers and millennials can be anything from awful to great, just in very different ways. And I mean that in regards to both how they are as people and politically. I also think that plenty of millennials are more susceptible to right-wing politics than people realize.

A lot of things change from generations and honestly I'm willing to bet the negative perceptions between boomers and millennials will continue with millennials and gen z.

Posted June 15th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

If Gen Z even has a future. :(

Posted June 15th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Millenials are different in that they understand how hard it will be to make it for Gen Z. We are a generation who stayed with our parents. And we may not even have kids because we know we aren't ready.

Posted June 15th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Well. That and the only self-proclaimed gen z I know was all MAGA for quite a while.

Edited June 15th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

And the little statistics out there show conservative leaning. So if the stereotypes are to be believed and so are these statistics, the differences are already there to allow for the negative perceptions.

Edited June 15th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Apparently james-hodgkinson had a troubled past. Got fired from a job, and committed battery and assault a few times, though some of the charges were dropped.

Edited June 16th by ShadowFox08
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