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Pope: better to be honest atheist than dishonest Christian
Posted: Posted February 23rd by nullfather

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-atheists-idUSKBN1621I3
Pope Francis delivered another criticism of some members of his own Church on Thursday, suggesting it is better to be an atheist than one of "many" Catholics who he said lead a hypocritical double life.

In improvised comments in the sermon of his private morning Mass in his residence, he said: "It is a scandal to say one thing and do another. That is a double life."

"There are those who say 'I am very Catholic, I always go to Mass, I belong to this and that association'," the head of the 1.2 billion-member Roman Catholic Church said, according to a Vatican Radio transcript.

He said that some of these people should also say "'my life is not Christian, I don't pay my employees proper salaries, I exploit people, I do dirty business, I launder money, (I lead) a double life'."

"There are many Catholics who are like this and they cause scandal," he said. "How many times have we all heard people say 'if that person is a Catholic, it is better to be an atheist'."

Since his election in 2013, Francis has often told Catholics, both priests and lay people, to practice what their religion preaches.

In his often impromptu sermons, he has condemned sexual abuse of children by priests as being tantamount to a "Satanic Mass", said Catholics in the mafia excommunicate themselves, and told his own cardinals to not act as if they were "princes".

Less than two months after his election, he said Christians should see atheists as good people if they do good.


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Interesting pope. Wondering if they regret making him pope.

Posted February 23rd by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Keep in mind Jesus was not attacking the robbers and thieves of the day: he was attacking the church. The church told people to commit crimes like killing people. Business was being conducted in it. Jesus put a stop to all that. Jesus did ask for a church, but he didn't want people to go to this church and sit on a pedestal all day while blaming others. The purpose of the church was to spread Jesus' message. There is no need for a church to be a gigantic cathedral, as long as it can house the people who go and support continued services it is good enough. The Pope is just confirming exactly what Jesus expected of us: to be good people in our daily lives. To rectify the wrongs in the world. Nowadays, Christians have become what is wrong in the world, the contrary of what Jesus preached.

Read the Parable of the Good Samaritan for more information (Luke 10:25-37).

Posted February 23rd by mariomguy
mariomguy
What up, 1-up

I mean... that's a PART of what Jesus wanted. He taught much more than that. It's been a while since I picked up a bible recently (with not being a Christian anymore of course) though so I'll leave getting specific to the people who have.

Posted February 23rd by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”


Don't you just love the part where Jesus said "Go and do likewise?!" I mean, it's almost like an entire religion of people FORGOT THAT F-KING PART!!!

Edited February 23rd by mariomguy
mariomguy
What up, 1-up

To be fair, a lot of people forget a lot of things Jesus and the bible in general says. I haven't forgotten that part though, and I have used it several times.

Posted February 23rd by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

There is a sect of Christianity (cough baptists cough) where people are preached that they are already saved because of Jesus and they don't have to do any good. Just get baptized and you're done! Then their pastors will go back to read Leviticus and instruct his minions to beat those people with sticks.

God does not hate fags. If He did that, He'd also have to hate everybody who turned their backs on them every time they needed help.

Posted February 23rd by mariomguy
mariomguy
What up, 1-up

I really don't know what my religion is anymore. The Pope is amazing, but there are no more role models. The only Christians I know of in my conscious are terrible people who betray the word of God and give Jesus a bad name. We desperately need good people, good role models leading us forward... but we don't have any. The Pope should not act alone in his kindness and use of the word for good. But it certainly seems that way.

Posted February 25th by mariomguy
mariomguy
What up, 1-up

There are so many religions out there that you don't have to be associated with any of the religions you hear about on a regular basis. You need only seek them out. More people believing it doesn't mean it's better. In fact from my experience, and my opinion it seems like the opposite tends to be true.

Or you could just be non-religious but "spiritual" for lack of a better word on and off because... reasons like me.

Edited February 25th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

Nevermind, I'm back. "non-religious but spiritual" is the most BS thing I've ever heard in my entire life. I might be the only one who still believes Jesus did not want us to cause grief in the world, but so be it. I walk this path alone.

Posted February 25th by mariomguy
mariomguy
What up, 1-up

Lmao I used to think the same way. But see religion tends to put absolutes on things here and there. Think of it this way, I'm pretty sure some things are going on spiritually, but I can't be placing all of these absolutes on it without even knowing exactly what's going on and why. It's literally ridiculous.

Also if that's the most BS thing you've ever heard on your life, do you even know what defines a religion? Cause let me tell you, religion tends to be a lot more defined than what I'm doing right now after being Christian, then being Theistic Satanist, then dabbling around with other religions, particularly Gnosticism. If I am religious, tell me what I am then.

Edited February 25th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

If you follow a religion, you're religious. If you don't, you're not. Simple. But Jesus didn't break the rules, he simply showed that since all people do bad things, the best way for people to live is to forgive each other for the bad things and to encourage good things, instead. He lead by example. Most people will go to Leviticus laws and ignore literally ALL of Jesus' teachings and then turn around and call themselves "Christians." No, they're whiners. Nevermind what Jesus Christ had to say about the old laws!

I just wish we lived in a better world, with better people that I can look up to. But we don't. I have no question about my faith, but there is a disconnect between me personally and the other people who call themselves Christians for no reason.

Posted February 25th by mariomguy
mariomguy
What up, 1-up

Yes, it's simple. I'm not following a religion. Only what I know of my personal experiences. And yes I'm well aware of Jesus's demeanor, but why do you ignore the parts where he, for example starts talking about hell and how the majority will be going to it?

And yes. disconnect will happen. This is why we have subsets of Christianity and denominations of those subsets. And offshoots such as Mormonism and many others like it tbh.

And it's not just Christianity. That's just the way things are. However, I'm not sure this means you should never question your beliefs. But that's for you to decide.

Edited February 25th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
The machiavellian menace

Well, I don't ignore it. Most people really don't deserve heaven. But even when people were murdering him, he still forgave them. An act far more noble than what I can imagine myself doing. What is painful is to see so many Christians who SHOULD know better but don't. Maybe I don't deserve heaven, but I know for sure those people don't.

A disconnect should not happen. Jesus asked his church to be built to honor HIM. With such selflessness in his demeanor, how is it that the same church he used to preach an opposition to the Draconian laws of the era somehow became used to generate so many pedestal-complainers?

Posted February 25th by mariomguy
mariomguy
What up, 1-up

mariomguy, what is the definition of "religion"?

Posted February 26th by nullfather
nullfather

Nowadays, Christians have become what is wrong in the world, the contrary of what Jesus preached.

Are you quite cozy under that blanket statement?

If you follow a religion, you're religious.

And sleeping in a garage makes you a Cadillac.



Posted March 1st by GC/MS
GC/MS
 

Jesus wasn't as moral as the pope seems to think.

Posted March 11th by pacman
pacman
 

Oh, really, Pacman? Tell me about it and where you got it from. I wouldn't miss this for all the tea in China.

Posted March 15th by GC/MS
GC/MS
 
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