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Episode 8 title revealed
Posted: Posted January 24th
Edited February 6th by Trever Leingod

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jan/23/star-wars-the-last-jedi-title-mark-hamill
Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi

A fairly generic title - apparently 2017 is the year of The Last Jedi/Knight. For those of you who don't know, The Last Knight is the title for Transformers 5, and I'm actually a bit curious if it inspired the new Star Wars title branding.

Despite sounding generic, it isn't nearly as vague or meaningless as "The Force Awakens." It seems people just can't stop singing the praises of JJ Abrams, but if you are really being honest with yourself, the title held absolutely no meaning to the actual movie beyond an incredibly vague reference by Supreme Leader Snoke. The name sounds a bit cool, maybe, if it held any meaning to the plot, as every title of the six previous movies did. It should have been named "Star Wars: A New Age" or if we're being really transparent, "Star Wars: A New Hope, Volume 2".

Clearly we've done away with Lucas' plot-hinting titles and we have gone into the era of vague titles, but at least now it fits, especially if Luke is a central/major supporting character like played by Han Solo in the previous film.

Also hoping it clears up a lot of the questions as to why Luke just disappeared and let dark siders run amok for the last 10 or so years... I mean, he IS the last Jedi but he's also arguably the most powerful Force user of all time, being the son of the Chosen One.

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I kind of feel like all of the Star Wars titles are pretty bad. Actually think that this is one of the better ones.

Not really sure why you're so upset at The Force Awakens either, unless it's just coming from some weird JJ Abrams hate/George Lucas love. I mean, are the titles really as specific as you claim? Does The Phantom Menace or A New Hope really have as much meaning to the plot as you're suggesting? The Force awoke in Rey. That seems just as plot relevant as one part of the movie where the Clones attack something in Ep. II or a Jedi/the Jedi returning in Ep. 6.

Posted January 24th by The Bandit
The Bandit
 

The Empire Strikes Back is a pretty lame title when you really think about it. If it wasn't such a good movie it would be panned for that.

Posted January 24th by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

One of my friends mentioned that "Jedi" could also be plural. I don't know Star Wars very well at all. Does that mean anything to anyone or like is Luke supposed to be the last Jedi?

Posted January 24th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

It could mean that Luke trains Rey as a Jedi and then dies, making her the final Jedi.

Posted January 24th by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

Jedi is indeed plural, but I think it's pretty clearly supposed to refer to Luke. I'm honestly pretty surprised at all the speculation on this. Episode 7 was one long tease for Luke, and much of the pre-release hype for this movie from the actors has been talking about how "cool" Luke's story is in Episode 8. And Luke is specifically referred to as "the last of the Jedi" in Episode 7. I think episode 8 will very heavily revolve around him, and so they named the title for him.

Also, Rey just isn't a Jedi yet. The original trilogy makes it very clear that simply using the Force, wielding a lightsaber, and being a good guy isn't enough for you to be classified as Jedi.

There's nothing that makes what Red Leaf said incorrect, though. That could very well be what they're intending. But I just don't get the sense that they meant for there to be any ambiguity.

Edited January 24th by The Bandit
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Thanks Red Leaf and Bandit. :)

Posted January 24th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
formerly KM8

I don't think they are gonna forego training Rey as a Jedi though. She seems to be going down that path. So if he trains her and one of them doesn't die or turn to the dark side, the title won't make any sense unless it's plural.

Edited January 24th by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

I personally don't see them killing off Luke. If they do though, you can bet he'll be back as a ghost in Ep9.

I'm also with Bandit on the movie titles thing. They've always been rather vague and weird.

Phantom Menace: tells you nothing about the movie.

Attack of the Clones: Actually a somewhat misleading title plot wise because it gives the impressions the clones will attack the good guys. Barely holds any connection to the actual plot and even when they do attack it is a fairly brief segment that they quickly move on from to refocus on the Jedi VS Dooku stuff.

Revenge of the Sith: I'll grant you it accurately tells you what you're in for. But it's still vague. We only knew it meant the end of the Jedi because we'd seen the original trilogy. If you watch them in chronological order this title means very little, it could just be as simple as Palpatine finally getting revenge on that one kid that bullied him in school.

A New Hope: really vague title that again tells you nothing about the movie. Like aside from Luke being the "new hope" for the Jedi (incidentally he gets like five seconds of Jedi training) the title actually has nothing to do with the movie :P

Empire Strikes Back: probably the only one that accurately describes what's going to happen so I'll give you this one movie.

Return of the Jedi: this one is less vague than the rest, still the Jedi plot takes a fairly big backseat for most of the movie. It is a cool title because of it's dual meaning though.

I really think if you're gonna hate on the new titles then you should at least accept that most of the old ones were just as bad.

Also hoping it clears up a lot of the questions as to why Luke just disappeared and let dark siders run amok for the last 10 or so years... I mean, he IS the last Jedi but he's also arguably the most powerful Force user of all time, being the son of the Chosen One.


At most it was 6 years. The First Order isn't a known entity until like 5 or 6 years prior to The Force Awakens (but it has been building it's military presence since the end of the Galactic Civil War). It's also not clear exactly when Snoke takes control of them but it stands to reason that no one knew about him until the First Order revealed itself. But we do know that 6 years prior to TFA, Luke was still training his Jedi padawans (including Ben).

I definitely think they need to explain this though. Luke hasn't been the type to just give up since ever, even in Ep4 when Rebels are all "that's impossible even for a computer" Luke is all positive about blowing up the death star... So this is the one thing I think they need to touch on.

I suspect we'll get a better explanation of the political landscape of the Galaxy in this movie as well because TFA completely failed at that and I don't think it's fair to force people to read the novels that have come out since just to understand who all these new factions are. We don't need to waste entire days in a senate scene, but a quick overview is a good idea.

Posted January 24th by Redack
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Also worth pointing out is that the promo logo features a red font instead of the usual yellow.

Posted January 24th by Redack
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My very first star wars endeavor was Revenge of the Sith so I actually got the benefit of not knowing the original trilogy when I watched it. It was actually suspenseful for me.

Posted January 24th by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

Yea, I tend to hear that a lot and I generally feel that my experience of Revenge of the Sith might have been better had I not known where things needed to be by the end of it. I still think it was an ok movie (definitely the best of the prequels).

But on the flip side the chronological order ruins some of the surprises in the OT (although it probably makes that Leia-Luke kiss scene on Hoth even more awkward when you know first time through they are brother and sister).



Posted January 25th by Redack
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Luke had also been referred to as the last Jedi a few times in the original trilogy. I kinda suspect the title refers to either Rey, however, or the two of them in the plural sense. (I also sort of suspect that they will wind up killing off Luke as well, so he can ghost it and have more of an Obi-Wan type role. But I hope I'm wrong about that.) I just feel like the "Last" thing being in the title, and the "Star Wars" being red is sort of a hint that someone will die here.

I wonder as well if it is trying to be misleading like "Attack of the Clones." In the Awakens, they hint at Rey having a bit of darkness/anger and Kylo Ren as having some remaining goodness/love. So I almost wonder if this trilogy is going to be about the hero and villain reversing roles. (I suspect this isn't the case given how popular both characters were to audiences. Star Wars isn't exactly known for its complexity.) But it could be an interesting way to go, if they continue to play with that concept and it is unclear if it refers to Rey or Kylo Ren going into the final film in the trilogy.

Posted January 25th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Not really sure why you're so upset at The Force Awakens either, unless it's just coming from some weird JJ Abrams hate/George Lucas love. I mean, are the titles really as specific as you claim? Does The Phantom Menace or A New Hope really have as much meaning to the plot as you're suggesting? The Force awoke in Rey. That seems just as plot relevant as one part of the movie where the Clones attack something in Ep. II or a Jedi/the Jedi returning in Ep. 6.

No, they are not specific, but nowhere this vague. The Force doesn't just awaken in someone, it's also been there - they just learn to use it better. The ominous title seems to allude to something important, like an actual awakening in the Force itself like a manifestation or something - which would have been enjoyable. It's an interesting title but it was wasted here. It'd be better off being called A New Hope Volume 2 because that's exactly what it was.

Phantom Menace: tells you nothing about the movie.

It tells you more than you think. I'm not saying these aren't vague, they can be, but they do relate to the movie. The Phantom Menace can refer to Sidious or Palpatine, or overall the looming shadow of the Sith's return.

Heck, the first two trilogies even had matching sets as titles. The Phantom/A New Hope both refer to a person in the movie. Attack of the Clones/The Empire Strikes Back refers to an army striking back at the opposing side (and when you think about, the Empire only strikes at the Rebellion in the beginning and the rest of the movie is Vader chasing the Falcon to bait Luke, whereas the Clones attack at the end of the movie). Revenge of the Sith/Return of the Jedi pretty much speaks for itself, in the essential triumph of one side or the other.

I really think if you're gonna hate on the new titles then you should at least accept that most of the old ones were just as bad.

I don't hate the new ones, they just don't fit the old ones. The Force Awakens is ominous but would have been cool if it had more meaning to the plot. I actually do like "The Last Jedi" though and it clearly has meaning to the plot even if it's obvious and at the same time vague.

Luke had also been referred to as the last Jedi a few times in the original trilogy. I kinda suspect the title refers to either Rey, however, or the two of them in the plural sense. (I also sort of suspect that they will wind up killing off Luke as well, so he can ghost it and have more of an Obi-Wan type role. But I hope I'm wrong about that.) I just feel like the "Last" thing being in the title, and the "Star Wars" being red is sort of a hint that someone will die here.

Yeah I dunno about that red. I think some versions for the logo of E3 did have it as red instead of yellow, but then it was obvious bad things were gonna happen there and we have no idea where this one leads.

I wonder as well if it is trying to be misleading like "Attack of the Clones." In the Awakens, they hint at Rey having a bit of darkness/anger and Kylo Ren as having some remaining goodness/love. So I almost wonder if this trilogy is going to be about the hero and villain reversing roles. (I suspect this isn't the case given how popular both characters were to audiences. Star Wars isn't exactly known for its complexity.) But it could be an interesting way to go, if they continue to play with that concept and it is unclear if it refers to Rey or Kylo Ren going into the final film in the trilogy.

The two swapping roles would take some very complex story telling. I am more likely to believe Kylo Ren just goes back to the light and helps Rey kill Snoke. This would be a vague fulfillment of Lucas' original idea for a sequel trilogy where Luke and his twin (who wasn't Leia originally) kill the Emperor. I know Lucas devised a different idea for a sequel trilogy but they threw those out.

Posted January 25th by Trever Leingod
Trever Leingod

I don't recall Revenge of the Sith ever featuring a red logo but I know early versions of Return of the Jedi did (when it was called Revenge of the Jedi).

It tells you more than you think. I'm not saying these aren't vague, they can be, but they do relate to the movie. The Phantom Menace can refer to Sidious or Palpatine, or overall the looming shadow of the Sith's return.


As Bandit noted, The Force Awakens relates to the plot. The central plot of Ep7 is arguably about Rey discovering the Force, the rest of the stuff that happens around this is just subplot.

The two swapping roles would take some very complex story telling. I am more likely to believe Kylo Ren just goes back to the light and helps Rey kill Snoke.


Yea, I also don't really see them going for the side-swapping idea.

They's been suggestion that Snoke is interested in Kylo because of his balance between light & dark, but I don't think this has yet appeared in any of the stories (movies or novels). If Rey were to head in a similar direction of a balance between the two then perhaps "The Last Jedi" could refer to the end of the Jedi Order as Luke also moves on to become something not Jedi... But this would all sorta get in the way of how Star Wars has typically portrayed the Dark Side as a rather evil and corruptive thing.

Posted January 25th by Redack
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I don't recall Revenge of the Sith ever featuring a red logo but I know early versions of Return of the Jedi did (when it was called Revenge of the Jedi).

Hmm maybe that was it and my memory muddled the two.

Also think of the irony: Return of the Jedi, The Last Jedi. Like, well, that didn't turn out too well did it!

As Bandit noted, The Force Awakens relates to the plot. The central plot of Ep7 is arguably about Rey discovering the Force, the rest of the stuff that happens around this is just subplot.

Meh... I guess. Maybe I just don't particularly feel it because I wasn't as impressed by the movie as I hoped it would be.

They's been suggestion that Snoke is interested in Kylo because of his balance between light & dark, but I don't think this has yet appeared in any of the stories (movies or novels). If Rey were to head in a similar direction of a balance between the two then perhaps "The Last Jedi" could refer to the end of the Jedi Order as Luke also moves on to become something not Jedi... But this would all sorta get in the way of how Star Wars has typically portrayed the Dark Side as a rather evil and corruptive thing.

It's going to be hard not to speculate what the title is all about. I mean it could just be as simple as, Luke is now a main focus, so we're giving him the title role. Or dozens of other subtle things or even big things.

I wonder when we're gonna get a trailer for this. If I remember right, we had a E7 trailer at least a year before the movie's release.

Posted January 25th by Trever Leingod
Trever Leingod

Also think of the irony: Return of the Jedi, The Last Jedi. Like, well, that didn't turn out too well did it!


Yea, things really didn't go well for Luke :P maybe Obi-Wan and Yoda should've trained Leia instead... Also what even was their plan if Luke went off to the Imperial Academy (& then defected to the Rebels) like he wanted. Would've kinda screwed up their plan of just letting things happen

Meh... I guess. Maybe I just don't particularly feel it because I wasn't as impressed by the movie as I hoped it would be.


I'll be honest, the title of TFA didn't exactly make me go "Yay that's a great title" but when you compare it to the others it's kinda just par for the course. I much prefer "The Last Jedi", even if it has very little to do with the plot it sounds better.

I wonder when we're gonna get a trailer for this. If I remember right, we had a E7 trailer at least a year before the movie's release.


It does feel like we already had the first teaser trailer for Ep7 by this time. I guess this time around though they didn't want to interfere with hype for Rogue One so they've probably waited until that's out of cinemas. Hopefully we'll get one soon, especially with the title new being revealed.

Posted January 25th by Redack
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I actually can't remember the password for Redack in order to edit that... Where I said new at the end I meant "now"...

Posted January 25th by Redack
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I actually always thought The Force Awakens was a stupid title. Kind of like The Phantom Menace is a dumb title. Then again, The Empire Strikes Back is kind of in a similar boat. Either way, The Force Awakens was a stupid-sounding title to me. It was "forced," if you know what I mean.

I think The Last Jedi sounds like a great title. I expect nothing less from Rian Johnson. And yes, JJ Abrhams isn't the best but I don't think he's over-praised. He did a solid job. The Force Awakens' biggest flaw is it retreaded too much in what we saw in the original Star Wars film. Otherwise, it was an enjoyable movie with some bullshit moments like Rey using the force to affect the stormtroopers mind...which is utterly dumb because she is untrained.

Posted January 25th by Laxan
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You could argue Luke was practically untrained until he visited Yoda... He has like five seconds of failed training with Obi-Wan and the droid and yet he manages to use the Force.

The dialogue in Ep1 also suggests that Anakin was using the Force (the dialogue between his Mother and Qui-Gon. I think Qui-Gon even outright says it actually).

The whole point of the Force is that it's a mystical energy force that has a will of its own and works in mysterious ways, I don't find it too much of a stretch that Rey was able to do the few and minor things she did in Ep7 with it.

Posted January 25th by Redack
Redack
One Vision, One Purpose!

Yea, things really didn't go well for Luke :P maybe Obi-Wan and Yoda should've trained Leia instead... Also what even was their plan if Luke went off to the Imperial Academy (& then defected to the Rebels) like he wanted. Would've kinda screwed up their plan of just letting things happen

They sent Luke up against two of the most powerful Sith Lords ever. They should have trained both. They would have been much better that way, especially in the case Vader didn't save Luke (and of course no one really planned on that happening). Lucas just didn't think it through.

I actually always thought The Force Awakens was a stupid title. Kind of like The Phantom Menace is a dumb title. Then again, The Empire Strikes Back is kind of in a similar boat. Either way, The Force Awakens was a stupid-sounding title to me. It was "forced," if you know what I mean.

It definitely felt forced. I mean even if you don't like the others for being vague or meh, they didn't seem like they were trying to just throw on a cool title.

I think The Last Jedi sounds like a great title. I expect nothing less from Rian Johnson. And yes, JJ Abrhams isn't the best but I don't think he's over-praised. He did a solid job. The Force Awakens' biggest flaw is it retreaded too much in what we saw in the original Star Wars film. Otherwise, it was an enjoyable movie with some bullshit moments like Rey using the force to affect the stormtroopers mind...which is utterly dumb because she is untrained.

I agree, I like the title. E7 definitely made a big mistake with the Death Star rehash. Like it was thrown in there to add tension, but it doesn't really make you feel any of that tension. Any of that comes from the whole showdown with Kylo Ren.

The whole point of the Force is that it's a mystical energy force that has a will of its own and works in mysterious ways, I don't find it too much of a stretch that Rey was able to do the few and minor things she did in Ep7 with it.

Yeah, I have to agree. It isn't unprecedented at all. She knew about the mind trick and she gave it a few tries to make it work. Young children using the Force was often a tip-off they could be Jedi in the old republic. Even the fact she fights Kylo Ren isn't as bad as most people make it. She had previous training with her staff so clearly she knew basic fighting skills, and Kylo Ren was seriously handicapped from being shot by Chewie. That bow was able to knock Stormtroopers in the air as it killed them as Han demonstrated, so the fact the dude was even standing after that was remarkable.

Edited January 25th by Trever Leingod
Trever Leingod

My guess is that the last Jedi will mean the end of a formal Jedi Order, perhaps as a way to get away from a binary "light and dark" perspective of the Force.

Posted January 26th by Ridifu Omego
Ridifu Omego
 

seems like a title I'v eheard before. probably is.

Posted January 26th by tnu
tnu

Guys! Someone has discovered the true meaning behind these new titles!



Posted January 26th by Redack
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Posted January 26th by Chain Chomp
Chain Chomp

Guys! Someone has discovered the true meaning behind these new titles!

LOL! I just saw this on FB. Sounds about right.

Edited February 6th by Trever Leingod
Trever Leingod

So just an interesting addition to this title speculation. I will put in spoiler tags for those but it is something that has technically already been guessed at in here (and chances are you'll read about it on facebook or news sites):



Posted February 17th by Redack
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