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Cloud vs Link
Posted: Posted December 8th, 2016 by Red Leaf

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Posted December 8th, 2016 by Red Leaf
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Posted December 8th, 2016 by Axem Metal
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Cloud would absolutely slaughter Link in a deathbattle. Allowing game mechanics like Screw Attack did means that Cloud godstomps from Sneak Attack + Knights of the Round and Last Attack + Phoenix. He would also stomp in a pure lore-based statistics comparison without any equipment, as Cloud is powerful enough to split Bahamut and take hits from the building-busting Sephiroth in Advent Children. Only by Screw Attack purposefully making the fight under nonsensical rules and ignoring strengths and weaknesses did they come to the conclusion that Link wins.

Posted December 8th, 2016 by nullfather
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Cloud really isn't a tactical fighter. Link could win with less brawn; let's not forget he has the Goddess of Courage backing him as well. Cloud has a hefty variety of tools.. his sword, his hair, and

Posted December 8th, 2016 by Axem Metal
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Cloud doesn't need tactics. He overpowers Link on every front. That's like saying Bruce Lee is a better fighter than Superman and thus wins - it doesn't matter. Bruce Lee couldn't land a finger on Supes.

Cloud is fast enough to deflect gunfire, strong enough to endure a series of stabs and then get back up to fight, he can leap tall buildings in a single bound, and he can rip skyscrapers to pieces with one swipe. Link needs items just to jump, Pegasus boots to run, and even all that wouldn't match with Cloud's natural reflexes.

Edited December 8th, 2016 by Trever Leingod
Trever Leingod

it doesn't matter. Bruce Lee couldn't land a finger on Supes.

I wouldn't compare their power differences to that extent. Cloud is obviously stronger than Link, no doubt, but the disparity really isn't that huge.

Link needs items just to jump, Pegasus boots to run, and even all that wouldn't match with Cloud's natural reflexes.

I don't know, man. Link has some crazy shit up his sleeve. Besides, he can still jump and run without items; jumping longer distances or at faster speeds than a human could achieve? Yeah, lol.

Posted December 8th, 2016 by Axem Metal
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>Link could win with less brawn

No, he literally couldn't. In a direct swordfight with no bullshit/gadgets, Link literally doesn't have the damage output to do anything to Cloud.

>let's not forget he has the Goddess of Courage backing him as well.

So? What is that supposed to mean?

Edited December 8th, 2016 by nullfather
nullfather

In a direct swordfight with no bullshit/gadgets, Link literally doesn't have the damage output to do anything to Cloud.

..but he does have the bullshit. That's like saying "if Cloud didn't have his sword, Link would win." Well, no shit.

He could use his tools to create distance and use it to his advantage. Cloud isn't Goku, fellas; this dude is strong but let's not push it.

So? What is that supposed to mean?

Depending on the game, the Triforce of Courage can give certain protections to using powerful magics. It isn't simply "haha you got balls now, boi"

Posted December 8th, 2016 by Axem Metal
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>..but he does have the bullshit.

If Link gets bullshit, Cloud gets bullshit. And then he stomps.

>He could use his tools to create distance and use it to his advantage. Cloud isn't Goku

He doesn't need to be Goku. He already instakills Link in game mechanics/bullshit.

>Depending on the game, the Triforce of Courage can give certain protections to using powerful magics.

So? How powerful?

Edited December 8th, 2016 by nullfather
nullfather

If Link gets bullshit, Cloud gets bullshit. And then he stomps.

I guess it depends on what kind of bullshit you're getting at. Besides, Link's tools aren't just some random mechanic that they threw in; Link has never just had his sword and shield. It isn't even like they're overpowered, either. They can be used in some extremely creative ways to give ridiculous advantages.

How powerful? Depends on that game. Teleporting at will with Farore's Wind, transforming into a beast, etc. Tons of variety.

Posted December 8th, 2016 by Axem Metal
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>I guess it depends on what kind of bullshit you're getting at. Besides, Link's tools aren't just some random mechanic that they threw in

And materia isn't just some random mechanic that they threw in, either. Cloud's bullshit isn't any more bullshit than Link's bullshit; they're both game mechanics with a bit of lore/narrative backing.

>Teleporting at will with Farore's Wind, transforming into a beast, etc. Tons of variety.

Doesn't really matter. That doesn't actually help Link not just die.

Edited December 8th, 2016 by nullfather
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Fantasies are really colliding up in this bee-yatch!

Posted December 8th, 2016 by Chain Chomp
Chain Chomp

"Teleporting at will with Farore's Wind-"

Doesn't really matter. That doesn't actually help Link not just die.

"Teleporting at will-"

-doesn't actually help Link not just die.

...alright then. I'm done

Edited December 8th, 2016 by Axem Metal
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cx

Posted December 8th, 2016 by nullfather
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I wouldn't compare their power differences to that extent. Cloud is obviously stronger than Link, no doubt, but the disparity really isn't that huge.

It's an exaggeration, clearly. The point is, Link's strategic approach to fights doesn't rely matter if he cannot match Cloud's speed and strength. His speed is far from above gunfire deflection, his agility is far from building-leaps to nearly flying, and his striking strength is nowhere near building-cutting level without the Fierce Diety mask (and even then it was a charged strike instead of a casual slash).

>I guess it depends on what kind of bullshit you're getting at. Besides, Link's tools aren't just some random mechanic that they threw in

Death Battle did do it in a random way because they mixed and matched Link's tools from a large variety of games. It was a weird composite Link. They also say that Link has 10 generations of experience, proving they know nothing of the game series lore. The Hero of Twilight was trained by the Spirit of the Hero of Time, meaning two different Links were interacting - he's not literally reincarnated and he does not maintain memories of past Links. Also, some of the games happen in different timelines so there's no way he'd have 10 generations of experience even if he was reincarnated. That bit of their video proves how horribly ignorant they are about Zelda history and should completely discredit the entire video.

>Teleporting at will with Farore's Wind, transforming into a beast, etc. Tons of variety.

The variety does not close their sheer power gap. Farore's Wind teleports you to set locations so it would not help him beat Cloud. None of his transformations would give him a definitive edge, either - the one you could argue I guess would be the giant mask, but given that Link cannot use other tools while a giant and the fact Cloud has beaten very big foes like Bahamut doesn't seem to favor Link.

I wouldn't rank Cloud anywhere near the top of the best FF heroes overall because he's so meh and mopey, but as a fighter he is a total beast.

Edited December 9th, 2016 by Trever Leingod
Trever Leingod

Cloud pales in comparison to Wakka though, folks.

Posted December 9th, 2016 by Red Leaf
Red Leaf

In terms of actual skill I'd have to give Link my vote. And that is only due to the fact that Link's foes are constantly moving around. Whereas Cloud's will stand in one spot and wait to be pummeled.

Posted May 30th by PlatinumDragoon
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A vagary of the game design. If you look at the film, an actual direct interpretation of Cloud's swordfighting, he stomps Link.

Edited May 30th by nullfather
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Yes in the film we get to see every character fight as they should. But when you compare gameplay Link has always been the better fighter. Cloud's only trump card is the ability to summon creatures to fight for him. I bet in an actual fight between the two it would be pretty even, however since Cloud doesn't summon anything in the film and due to his companions showing up at the last minute to join the fight and give him support, I'd still say that the fight is still in Link's favor.

Look at it this way when Link's in a fight, its just him. Sure the sages and the princess have power to lend (if only to break down barriers and send him back to his own time), but when Link fights he's on his own, besides he doesn't always have a sidekick pointing out enemy strengths and weaknesses for him.

In terms of gameplay Link will beat Cloud 4/5 times. Sadly we wont know the real definitive answer to this question until we see a game where the two can actually face off with each other. At any rate I think it's obvious that 10/10 times Squall could be beaten by either one of them, or any other lead protagonist throughout the Final Fantasy franchise.

Though this has got me wondering what would Link do against Sephiroth, its clear that Sephiroth is at least 100 times more powerful than Ganon. In terms of villainy Sephiroth is subtle, he's been led to believe that an alien presence that seeks to destroy the world gave birth to him, thereby driving him insane causing his desire to destroy the world. Whereas Ganon lacks motivation other than greed, which then leads to sheer hatred upon his defeat.


Posted June 1st by PlatinumDragoon
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>But when you compare gameplay Link has always been the better fighter.

So? Why are you relying on gameplay when the gameplay for Cloud is obviously a more abstract interpretation than the gameplay for Link? Drop the bias and take the lore and cinematics as well, because it's the actually right way.

>Cloud's only trump card is the ability to summon creatures to fight for him.

Cloud's trump card is being physically better than Link in every way.

>I bet in an actual fight between the two it would be pretty even, however since Cloud doesn't summon anything in the film and due to his companions showing up at the last minute to join the fight and give him support, I'd still say that the fight is still in Link's favor.

That's stupid. Cloud is jumping up skyscrapers, fighting by jumping between pieces of falling building, blocking/parrying strikes from a guy who can bust buildings, etc.

>In terms of gameplay Link will beat Cloud 4/5 times.

In terms of gameplay, Cloud stomps the shit out of Link due to Materia combinations like Knights of the Round + Sneak Attack and Phoenix + Final Attack.

>Sadly we wont know the real definitive answer to this question until we see a game where the two can actually face off with each other.

Cloud is provably better than Link.

Posted June 1st by nullfather
nullfather

Bruh, Link has the triforce and the Master Sword. Cloud has a overcompensating sword with some jewels for accessories.

Posted June 1st by Q
Q
 

It might be easier to compare the two if we can determine which Link is the strongest Link, since as previously mentioned, all the Links are distinct characters and it would not make sense to lump all of their abilities together.

I think the OoT Link is not as strong as other Links because he was only a cog in the Ganon-defeating machine. He delivers the "final blow" only after Zelda imbues some crazy mojo into the master sword, and even then, Ganon doesn't die, he just flails around while the Sages seal him away. I feel like Link in Breath of the Wild would be a poor choice too because first of all, we learn through flashbacks that Link pretty much died and had to be resurrected. Also by the time he fights Calamity Ganon, Zelda had already been fighting him for 100 years and then she also is the one who decides the battle at the end.

Meanwhile you have Link from the original Zelda totally fucking up Ganon's shit all by himself and turning him into a literal pile of ash. If I were going to face Link off against Cloud, it would be Link from the original Zelda.

And Cloud would still win.

Posted June 1st by Jo Nathan
Jo Nathan

Sadly we wont know the real definitive answer to this question until we see a game where the two can actually face off with each other.

smash 4

Posted June 2nd by Pirate_Ninja
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dibs on falcon

Posted June 2nd by S.O.H.
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Edited June 2nd by Q
Q
 

Why are we talking about Smash?

Posted June 2nd by nullfather
nullfather

because it's a game where Link and Cloud can fight each other, obv

(Cloud is totally better, though Link's superior projectile game can certainly help him a lot)

Posted June 2nd by Pirate_Ninja
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"Why are we talking about Smash?"

I feel like the answer is self explanatory.

Posted June 2nd by Q
Q
 

Smash is irrelevant. It's a party fighter where the characters are severely altered in order to match somewhat evenly with each other by default.

Posted June 2nd by nullfather
nullfather

uh...yeah, no shit

it's still the closest you're ever going to get because there's a roughly 0% chance of both characters being taken from their distinct universes and accurately depicted in the same medium in a way that could actually "decide" this hypothetical

it's called "fun" and "not a serious answer to this dumb question"

Posted June 2nd by Pirate_Ninja
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"Smash is irrelevant. It's a party fighter where the characters are severely altered in order to match somewhat evenly with each other by default."

What exactly are you wanting? A Tekken or Street Fighter style game where Link and Cloud fight as they do in thier respective games? Not only does that have a less than 0% chance of ever happening, it's also unrealistic as Cloud is from a JRPG and Link is from an Action/adventure game. If you are wanting to bring on the statistics and lore than it pretty much makes it impossible for them to ever be in a fighting game.

Take it where you can get it.

Posted June 2nd by Q
Q
 

>it's still the closest you're ever going to get

>What exactly are you wanting? A Tekken or Street Fighter style game where Link and Cloud fight as they do in thier respective games?

You people don't get it. You do not need a crossover game at all, especially not where where they're very specifically made to be somewhat equal. You do not need them to be in the same game to compare them. You only have to quantify their abilities.

Edited June 7th by nullfather
nullfather

Quantify their abilities in 2 very different games with very different gameplay.

Platinum Dragoon said: Sadly we wont know the real definitive answer to this question until we see a game where the two can actually face off with each other.

The only way for that to happen is to make them have similar gameplay.

Posted June 7th by Q
Q
 

Wrong. We have lore/narrative, which should actually be weighted more than game mechanics. Lore is automatically relevant because it's what the writers directly express, but game mechanics are inherently abstract (even if it's to a very small degree) and need to be supported as relevant by the lore.

Let's say you have two weightlifters. One of them has a record of lifting 400 pounds and the other has a record of lifting 500 pounds. However, they've never participated in the same strongman competition. Is it right to say that we don't know which is stronger?

Posted June 7th by nullfather
nullfather

"One of them has a record of lifting 400 pounds and the other has a record of lifting 500 pounds. However, they've never participated in the same strongman competition. Is it right to say that we don't know which is stronger?"

Well since both weight lifters are of the same type then yes we know which is stronger. But I am assuming since you didn't say otherwise that these 2 weight lifters are lifting the same type of weights in the same type of competition. That is not the case with Link vs Cloud.

Also, what lore do we take into account, official lore? How do we assign values to which types of lore are stronger than others. Even by doing that you are making to where both characters are on the same level as far as statistics go, which would be what a fighting game would be doing.

Posted June 7th by Q
Q
 

>That is not the case with Link vs Cloud.

Cloud has feats in his lore, Link has feats in his lore...you can oabsolutely compare them without needing some bullshit game that would fuck their powerlevels anyway to make a determination.

>Even by doing that you are making to where both characters are on the same level as far as statistics go

What? What the fuck are you talking about?

How hard is it to understand that you take the quantifiable abilities of one and compare it to the quantifiable abilities of another?

Posted June 7th by nullfather
nullfather

"Cloud has feats in his lore, Link has feats in his lore...you can oabsolutely compare them without needing some bullshit game that would fuck their powerlevels anyway to make a determination."

What lore are we using for both?

"How hard is it to understand that you take the quantifiable abilities of one and compare it to the quantifiable abilities of another?"

Explain how this would be possible please.

Posted June 7th by Q
Q
 

>What lore are we using for both?

For Cloud, it's not that complicated. FFVII cutscenes + Advent Children.

For Link, it's up to whoever proposes the matchup to decide which Link. If none are specified, the commenters usually just give a general overview of a few different Links, or just use the one that they have the most knowledge on.

>Explain how this would be possible please.

I don't understand how you're confused.

It's shit like "character X takes hits from someone who can bust buildings with his attacks while character Y takes hits from someone who can bust mountains with his attacks".

Posted June 7th by nullfather
nullfather

Here is a question. If both were the same power level, who has more skill as a fighter?

Posted June 7th by I killed Mufasa
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