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I saw the tweets on my twitter, most people are really liking the fact that Nintendo and Microsoft are working together on cross play. They have always had a friendly relationship.



Edited June 22nd by Q
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They should merge. It's a solid strategy and it means Rare and Ninty can work on IPs together again.

Posted June 22nd by I killed Mufasa
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I called it a few years ago amd every one was telling me they were gonna go be friendly with Sony since they are both Japanese companies.

Posted June 22nd by S.o.h.
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I'm fairly certain that Nintendo and Sony will never be friendly towards each other since the whole reason Sony made the PlayStation was because Nintendo backed out of the SNES CD deal they were working on way back in the early 1990's.

And I've always said that I thought MS and Nintendo should team up, MS can handle the home console hardware while Nintendo handles the Mobile hardware.

Posted June 22nd by Q
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And you get Master Chief and Mario on both.

Edited June 22nd by I killed Mufasa
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We could fight each other in the Mushroom Kingdom.

Posted June 22nd by Q
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And I've always said that I thought MS and Nintendo should team up, MS can handle the home console hardware while Nintendo handles the Mobile hardware.

Just to add to this - another plus side is that Microsoft has a pretty strong affinity for online infrastructures, operating systems, digital content, etc. which all tend to be areas that Nintendo has a lot of difficulty with.

Microsoft and Sega had a bit of a thing going at the end of the Dreamcasts life so maybe now that Nintendo is focusing on handheld drives (something that Microsoft's gaming division never really bothered with), they too can work out some mutually beneficial deals to help them take a bigger chunk away from Sony?

Posted June 22nd by Log
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We could fight each other in the Mushroom Kingdom

a weapon to surpass metal ge-waiiiit.....a video game to surpass Smash bros battle royale????

Actually master chief in smash would be pretty cool to see. Along with Sony's most icon mascot....

KNACK BABY

Posted June 22nd by S.o h.
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I just finished watching that video of minecraft before I came here. lol the coincidence.

I don't want Nintendo and Microsoft to merge.. but crossplay support and and some RARE games on Switch would be amazing. Ninty and Microsoft are taking advantage of the backlash against Sony on the Fortnite Epic account fiasco. lol

Posted June 23rd by ShadowFox08

Yes they are. A lot like when Sony took advantage of Microsoft's DRM debacle in 2013 with their "how to share" advertisements.



Posted June 26th by Vandy

It's such a weird symbiotic relationship the two have. We've already seen MS allow Nintendo to have games like Diddy Kong Racing port on the DS.. And years ago they wanted Nintendo's permission to port Goldeneye on the xbox 360, but Nintendo said lol no. But now.. Nintendo needs all the help they can get with 3rd party spport.

I'm glad we're getting more crossplay support though and hope it becomes main stream sooner than later on AAA multi plat ports. At this point, I don't care if Sony doesn't join in. People will only see them as more anti consumer. While Nintendo and MS will reap the benefits(Nintendo mainly due to their low install bases for 3rd party games)

Edited June 26th by ShadowFox08

"I don't want Nintendo and Microsoft to merge.."

I never meant they should merge as they are both very different companies that offer different products and experiences.

"It's such a weird symbiotic relationship the two have."

This is along the lines of what I meant. The 2 companies could reach a business agreement to allow eachother's games to be ported over, or characters like Mario and Master Chief to be shared between the XBOX and Switch. I would love to have a version of Halo: Master Chief Collection that I could take with me on the go. Or a version of Mario Kart that I could play on my XBOX with proper network support.

This kind of cross platform sharing could work out well for both companies as most people have a Switch as well as a home console like a PS4 or X1. Doing this would cause more people to buy a Switch/X1 combo and increase both Nintendo and MS's install base.

Posted June 27th by Q
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They have strengths that the other has weaknesses for in both cases. Together they could pummel Sony into the ground, but apart Sony wins every time except in handhelds. Just literally saying mario can be on xbox and Master Chief can be on DS switch is enough to be exciting and that's only two franchises.

Master Chief in Smash, maybe Conker, Joanna dark, Marcus from gears. MC could have powerful sticky grenades and force people to waste their shield to avoid them so he can get a better position for his smash attack, which is a rifle butt to the face.

We'd get another true Donkey Kong Country game. We might even get that illusive Goldeneye Remake if either Ninty or MS aquire the rights for the 007 franchise or team up with activision or whoever is in charge of it these days.

Posted June 27th by I killed Mufasa
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"MC could have powerful sticky grenades and force people to waste their shield to avoid them so he can get a better position for his smash attack, which is a rifle butt to the face."

It would be something like this:



Posted June 27th by Q
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or characters like Mario and Master Chief to be shared between the XBOX and Switch.

I could see Master Chief on a Nintendo game as a special guest. I can't see Mario EVER going to something that's non-Nintendo. I think Microsoft is more lax about it while Nintendo is less so.

Posted June 27th by Fox Forever

Chief x Samus shipping intensifies

Posted June 27th by I killed Mufasa
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"I can't see Mario EVER going to something that's non-Nintendo."

Nintendo has allowed Mario and Link to go to other platforms before, but its very rare.

"Chief x Samus shipping intensifies"

It is revealed later on that Samus was actually a spartan that was injured, lost her memories and took up bounty hunting.

Posted June 27th by Q
Q

When has that happened? I legit can't remember unless we count the CDI games. And I think that after that fiasco they don't want that stuff to happen again.

Posted June 27th by Fox Forever

"When has that happened? I legit can't remember unless we count the CDI games. And I think that after that fiasco they don't want that stuff to happen again."

Those are the one's I am referring to. But there is Mario RUN and Pokemon GO that show Nintendo is willing to lend their characters out. I'm sure that if Nintendo was able to work out a deal with MS that allowed them to profit from a joint venture, they would. They've already worked out Cross-pay and are featuring eachother in their commercials.

Posted June 27th by Q
Q

Fire emblem heroes, animal crossing Pocket camp tol

Posted July 1st by ShadowFox08

Microsoft should just let Nintendo run their gaming division rather than trying to acquire Nintendo. Halo might even step out of 2007 and we might get a Forza Horizon/Mario Kart spin off that doesn't require bananas to do the spinning.

Posted July 1st by I killed Mufasa
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Let Microsoft worry about advertising and online infrastructure and bring xbox live to nintendo.

Posted July 1st by I killed Mufasa
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"Microsoft should just let Nintendo run their gaming division rather than trying to acquire Nintendo. Halo might even step out of 2007 and we might get a Forza Horizon/Mario Kart spin off that doesn't require bananas to do the spinning."

I feel like 343 is doing a good job bringing halo out of 2007, Halo 5 is miles above it's predecessors in quality and gameplay.

"Let Microsoft worry about advertising and online infrastructure and bring xbox live to nintendo."

Totally agree on MS bringing thier Infrastructure and XBOX Live over to Nintendo. This would solve the problem with Nintendo's lackluster online service and make it easier to crossplay games.

Posted July 2nd by Q
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I genuinely laughed at your assessment of Halo 5. They took out split screen multiplayer, the levels are trash, the powers from Halo Reach are gone and replaced with a weird dodge mechanic and really slow running and terrible grenades and physics. Halo 5 doesn't even know what it wants to be. But it certainly doesn't want to be an after school hang out game you can play with friends on the same TV. Kids these days are missing out.

Halo Reach took Halo out of 2007, but halo 4 and 5 largely took steps backwards in every aspect except for graphics.

But mainly, they took away Splitscreen multiplayer. Why? Taking away features is not how you make a game better. It's lazy, and it wasn't needed. To each their own though. Halo 5 is one of the better shooters on Xbox One, and yet I put so many more hours into Reach and Blops2. At least Halo 5's loot crates aren't gamebreaking and you don't have to pay for map packs. That's the only praise I'll give the game. That it hasn't monetized itself to embarrassment like other modern shooters. But that's pretty passive praise. All games should be about the game, right?

Halo 3 still has the best maps in the series.

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Microsoft and Nintendo would be such a symbiotic partnership that the only reason it hasn't happened yet is japan's disdain for America. You'd think the US nuked them or something.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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"I genuinely laughed at your assessment of Halo 5."

Always glad to provide some laughs.

"They took out split screen multiplayer, the levels are trash, the powers from Halo Reach are gone and replaced with a weird dodge mechanic and really slow running and terrible grenades and physics."

While I agree that split screen being dropped was a negative for the series, i can say I rarely used that feature. Halo 1 necessitated it since there was no online co-op. Same with halo 2 as you couldn't play the campaign online. Halo 3 on the other hand showed that split screen was on the way out as now everything, including the theater could be played together over Live. Be honest, how often do you use slit screen for online games?

Also, many of Halo 5's levels are actually recreations of past halo Maps which can be seen as a positive or a negative.

And while I agree that Halo reach had the best User Interface by far, the actual gameplay was horrid. Especially in games like Swat and Snipers where the hitboxes were hugely inaccurate. Before my XBOX360's HDD died in 2013, I had it filled with videos of me pegging people in the face without them dying. Halo 1, 2, 3 all had perfect hit boxes until then. Halo reach had alot of issues that get overlooked and out of the series it is my least favorite.

Also, Halo 2 had the best multiplayer maps IMO.

And Sprint and Dodge were present in Halo Reach as armor abilities. Halo 5 decided to give you those abilities all the time. You can also now climb ledges which I love and opens so many other tactics along with ground pound and the temporary hover ability when you jump and then scope in. I also like that every weapon can be sighted unlike how it used to be only scoped weapons.

"Halo 5 doesn't even know what it wants to be. But it certainly doesn't want to be an after school hang out game you can play with friends on the same TV. Kids these days are missing out."

Halo 5 is for people who all of an XBOX and Halo. It can still be an after school hangout provided everyone has those items.

"Halo 5 is one of the better shooters on Xbox One, and yet I put so many more hours into Reach and Blops2. At least Halo 5's loot crates aren't gamebreaking and you don't have to pay for map packs. That's the only praise I'll give the game. That it hasn't monetized itself to embarrassment like other modern shooters. But that's pretty passive praise. All games should be about the game, right? "

Ugh, BLOPS. That last good CoD game was MW3, after that the series has gone down hill IMO.

"Microsoft and Nintendo would be such a symbiotic partnership that the only reason it hasn't happened yet is japan's disdain for America. You'd think the US nuked them or something."

I dont think that is the reason it hasn't happened sooner or Nintendo would never have brought the original NES to the US in the 1980's. it's most likely due to Nintendo being Nintendo and marching to the beat of their own drum. it takes them a while to warm up to ideas outside of their perspective. It took them a while to finally switch to DISC based Media and then it took them while to embrace online connectivity. Then it took them a while to embrace HD gaming. They just do their own thing.

Edited July 2nd by Q
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Halo 3 Splitscreen was like, every party I went to between 2008 and the time reach was released, and then it was Reach and 3 for about a year. It was great reaching drinking age in what I consider Halo's prime. I never owned an original xbox though, and I know 2 has it's fanbase and the first game has an amazing campaign. 2 I never got to fully experience online and then they killed it.

Splitscreen was only on the way out because companies like Microsoft make more money if every player online has to pay for Xbox Live, which is the case in Halo 5. People still like splitscreen, and taking it away isn't futuristic, forward thinking, or cool. It's just a lazy way to quietly monetize Xbox Live and PSN more in the case of games like COD. Those services have also gradually gotten more expensive which is a bit nauseating.

Be honest, how often do you use split screen for online games?

When Halo 3 and Reach were popular enough that my friends still played them? Multiple times a week, and sometimes every day of the week because my brother played too. I/We only stopped because games stopped including the feature and older Halo games became old. Admittedly I just didn't like Halo 4 so that's when I probably slowed down. But I didn't play as a single player online in that game much either.

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Black Ops 2 I believe has some of the best music, story-telling, and gameplay that Call of Duty has to offer. Black Ops 1 was near perfect in my books and Blops 2 managed to exceed my expectations. I never played much of modern warfare 2 or 3 so i can't really comment. I jumped from COD4 to Black Ops and stayed with that one for years - and got into Black Ops 2 long after the new generation came out because it hadn't been monetized with loot boxes and other bullshit like the new games have been.

This is how I rank Call of Duty games that I've actually played:

1.Black Ops 2
2.Black Ops 1
3.COD4
4.Advanced Warfare
5.Black Ops 3
6.COD4 Remastered
7.Ghosts
8.And in very fucking distant last, Infinite Warfare

I do vaguely remember playing modern warfare 2 at a friends house back when it was new and I thought the controls were tight and excellent, but that was way back so far I don't remember much so I am not including it. I have never played even one round of modern warfare 3 ever. It could very well be the best ever.

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I mean, Nintendo still likes money so they'll sell to the US. They just don't hold America's culture, ideas, or technology with much appreciation. They are disdainful toward America and feel technologically and culturally superior. America on the other hand, jerks off to anime and video game culture and buys a lot of japan's cars as well so of course japan isn't going to ignore that.

Merging with Microsoft, to Nintendo, is like making a deal with the devil. Even if it's assuredly profitable to a high degree, they'll still have heavy reservations about doing it. If Microsoft was a French or German company instead, they'd probably already be partners i think.

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I simply disagree with you that the combat/controls in Reach are bad. My main gripe with it was that the levels were bland and boring because Bungie stopped giving a shit half way through. I'd like to see Reach gameplay with Halo 3 levels some time.




Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Halo 5 is for people who all of an XBOX and Halo. It can still be an after school hangout provided everyone has those items.

It's not nearly as social as it was. Gaming in general isn't as social. It's becoming sad and cringeworthy. Halo 2 was so popular in high school you were literally uncool if you didn't play it. But what that meant was having 3 mates at your house and playing online or offline usually.

Why can't some offline kids just play some halo that they paid for on a single tv? I mean they can if they have older games. But it's such a fundamentally important function it's nuts not to include it and then pretend everything is the same.

Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Halo 2 was so popular in high school you were literally uncool if you didn't play


as some one who works with individuals from the ages of 11-24. Fortnite is extremely popular among middle schoolers and High Schoolers

the social aspect is still there.

Posted July 2nd by S.o.h.
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Those services have also gradually gotten more expensive which is a bit nauseating.



the prices have stayed the same. There are many avenues to get these services at a largely discounted price.

Posted July 2nd by S.o.h.
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You're not getting what I'm saying though, I am talking about a bunch of guys in the same room eating from the same pizza box and drinking from the same 24 having some stupid fun on the same tv. Fortnite isn't social in that way. Gametalk isn't social in that way. I don't know any of you, not really. We talk sure, but it's not social. Xbox Live is so disconnected now because the games don't offer people to locally do that unless you have a ridiculous amount of hardware and live accounts with you and then everyone is watching on different screens so if you have 5 or 6 people or more, they aren't even spectating the whole game. It's all about monetization. Buy more systems, buy more accounts, buy more tvs. When in 1996 we could all play Mario Kart on the same tv.

Again, I reiterate, sad and cringeworthy. That's the state of online gaming right now. It's so lonely.

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Xbox Live and PSN both jumped by 10 dollars in my country, and 20 dollars from say 2010 days. Well actually PSN used to be free so there's that too. <.<

Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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What do you do for a living anyway, SOH?

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Im not going to respond to that because I get the feeling it will be like drilling into a brick wall.



What do you do for a living anyway, SOH?

Workforce development with an emphasis on promoting both post-secondary and career technical education.

Edited July 2nd by s.o.h.
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There's nothing to respond to, because Fortnite might be popular and probably is - it's the most played game in the world right now - but it's not popular for the same reasons Halo 2 was popular in the time period I mentioned. The jocks, nerds, and valedictorians alike celebrated Halo 2 and made monologues about it in drama class.

Back between 2004 and 2007 - Xbox Live was far more social than it was after they broke it in the early 360 days. Chat was far more encouraged, people actually talked in games without muting everybody. 2-3 of your friends would come with you to your place after school and play video games for a few hours.

Explain to me how you're supposed to make friends as a new player going on Fortnite.

Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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theres a lot of things to respond to but your mind is already made up. I would be wasting my time. Best to just nod smile and walk away.

Posted July 2nd by s.o.h.
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Fortnite is monumentally different than Halo 2. For one, it's every man for himself - while Halo 2 for the most part is traditional red vs blue 4-4, 5-5, 8-8 games where there is a sense of comradery and an actual reason to use chat since you can coordinate strategy with your fellow teammates, and discuss forge items while building levels with your friends. I see no reason to chat with anyone in Fortnite. Everyone is your enemy, so unless you're there to showboat the fact that you pwned them, whats the point?

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Well whatever, good talk I guess. This is how most conversations with you on GT go. I post my actual thoughts, you tell me I'm wrong without giving any content or context to go with it. You do the same thing when you talk to pop and #85 too. It's dull and anti-conversation.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Seriously, if you post a compelling reason for how Fortnite is comparable to Halo 2 - or how modern gaming online is comparable to 2004-2007 gaming online my ears are open and I am ready to nod and tell you you win. But you won't.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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ok

Posted July 2nd by s.o.h.
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Fine, we'll drop it. I'm just curious why you do this in every conversation you're a part of. Just posting vague statements without reasons behind them. It makes it annoying to talk to you you know. Are you actively aware of that?

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Do us both a favor. Don't bother commenting on anything I say about anything, because I don't feel like wasting my time responding to you if you're just going to tell me it's easier to walk away with a smile. I don't care what your opinions are if you don't have reasons for them.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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"Seriously, if you post a compelling reason for how Fortnite is comparable to Halo 2"

They arent comparable. Halo 2 is a FPS with both a single player campaign and online multiplayer which provides different team based objectives or FFA modes.

Fortnite is a 3rd person shooter that is designed around you paying for the 'campaign' through battle passes and unlocking items with v-bucks. the battle-royal can be done with teams or ffa.

They really could not be much more different. And i'd still take Halo 2 over Fortnite.

"how modern gaming online is comparable to 2004-2007 gaming online"

The era you are speaking of is when XBOX Live - And online gaming on consoles - was developing into what it is today. Sony went from having a lack luster, poorly implemented online strategy with the PS2 to a slightly less lackluster and slightly better implemented online setup with the PS3 but it was free. MS really showed what online support for a console should really look like, had a focused online strategy and improved the on the original XBOX's online capabilities in every way but it costed $50 a year back then.

"Back between 2004 and 2007 - Xbox Live was far more social than it was after they broke it in the early 360 days. Chat was far more encouraged, people actually talked in games without muting everybody. 2-3 of your friends would come with you to your place after school and play video games for a few hours. "

Not sure how the XBOX360 broke the social aspect of XBOX Live since it made it possible to form party chats with people playing different games but people weren't muting each other because of microsoft. it was because as more people got XBOX's and XBOX Live accounts, so did their kids which made it necessary to use the Mute feature.

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How is XBOX Live not as good as it used to be?

Posted July 2nd by Q
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"The jocks, nerds, and valedictorians alike celebrated Halo 2 and made monologues about it in drama class. "

Seriously? Highschool sure has changed since I was in it.

Posted July 2nd by Q
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Xbox Live itself is still excellent as a service although overpriced - it's the games and their lack of features that are making it bad. And the community muting everyone. Also decent mics are fucking expensive. The idea of sitting in a room by yourself and gaming with people thousands of miles away might seem great at first but you soon realize that you're lonely. It's repugnant and sad. I'd rather lose tv real-estate and have a friend. Especially when it's different people every time and you're not making any actual long term friends. Splitscreen online at least allows it to be a shared experience you can discuss with someone. Remember that awesome rocket launcher shot from across the level? Of course you don't because you're some random jack off from Australia who I am never gonna talk to again.

Anyway just go look on youtube to find out what xbox live was like before the newer 360 iteration.





Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Seriously? Highschool sure has changed since I was in it.

Canadian high school is weird man. Jocks chanted HALOOO TWOOOOO in deep voices and were all about "Just pwnin some nubs". In was super annjoying in drama class, but more so because I had a PS2 and liked single player rpgs. XD

I did play at friends houses though. There was certainly nothing else of interest to me on the original xbox.

Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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I used to spam the halo 2 forum on the original gametalk.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Fine, we'll drop it.

Ok.

Do us both a favor. Don't bother commenting on anything I say about anything,

choose one.

Originally I was not going to comment on anything. Because it is evident by this post and every post you have made on this site that everything you say just spirals out of control into some childish meanderings which are painful to read through and address.

I thought that you would have grown up a little because of your hiatus but I was wrong.

Any who its going to be trivial for me to address your nonsense but Ill give it a shot. Its not going to be a surprise when you double down on your opinion and refuse to listen to the perspectives of others but whatever.


Note I am only going to address what I had originally picked at. And now regret ever reading.


It's not nearly as social as it was. Gaming in general isn't as social. It's becoming sad and cringeworthy. Halo 2 was so popular in high school you were literally uncool if you didn't play it. But what that meant was having 3 mates at your house and playing online or offline usually.


I disagree. While the days of hanging out in your mothers basement with pizza, friends, and an ancient CRTV are long dead. Gaming has become far more social and far more popular than ever. Its reached the masses and has rooted itself in popculture and into mainstream society. While couch coop is on its last breath.There are some companies that have moved to address it and other companies such as nintendo that have moved to once again capitalize on it.

I will move to say that it is a helluva lot more social now and a lot more acceptable to be a gamer. The medium has moved from couch coop to online gaming which can suck at times but be honest with your self how many friends do you have that will be willing to play with you in real life? It is already a logistical nightmare trying to set up online matches with frieneds. Its a bigger nightmare setting up a gaming couch coop session with them.

Your comments on Halo are the same things Ive seen in regards to CoD, Fort Nite and PuB G in many of the middle schools/ high schools I go to. Believe it or not kids still get together to play these things. Shit things like Fort Nite and Pub G have become far more accessible to youth because they can now use their smart phones to run either game.

I myself found out about fortnite through a group of random middle schoolers who I was working with. So no sorry the social aspect of it is far from dead. I think if you were exposed to other aspects of society you would see how wrong you are. At this point you are just coming off as both jaded and cynical.


Why can't some offline kids just play some halo that they paid for on a single tv? I mean they can if they have older games. But it's such a fundamentally important function it's nuts not to include it and then pretend everything is the same.


they still do this. If Im not mistaken the MCC collection allows you to do this.


Those services have also gradually gotten more expensive which is a bit nauseating.



the prices have stayed the same. There are many avenues to get these services at a largely discounted price. Thinking back now I dont think they have fully increased in price since they launched. They also come with a multitude of games you can download and play as long as you keep the subscription. (I believe in some cases you can play those games regardless of a subscription)



You're not getting what I'm saying though, I am talking about a bunch of guys in the same room eating from the same pizza box and drinking from the same 24 having some stupid fun on the same tv. Fortnite isn't social in that way. Gametalk isn't social in that way. I don't know any of you, not really. We talk sure, but it's not social.



I get exactly what you are saying. That stupid fun still happens. And no games like Fortnite are social. Especially now that you and couple of mates can jump on mere inches from each other with your mobile phones. And I agree when dealing with your attitude gametalk is far from social. But I personally haave had some good times playing MK8 with the people here and trying not to such on fortnite.


Xbox Live is so disconnected now because the games don't offer people to locally do that unless you have a ridiculous amount of hardware and live accounts with you and then everyone is watching on different screens so if you have 5 or 6 people or more, they aren't even spectating the whole game. It's all about monetization. Buy more systems, buy more accounts, buy more tvs. When in 1996 we could all play Mario Kart on the same tv.

Uh thats not an Xbox live issue thats an issue created by the game maker. If they dont want to include couch coop or split screen thats on them. Dont buy the game and support publishers who do do that. Its 2018 bro. I can still play mario kart 8 on the same tv. Shit I can play Mario Kart 8 with a buddy anywhere I go. Nintnedo even includes two controllers to do it. Next.


Again, I reiterate, sad and cringeworthy. That's the state of online gaming right now. It's so lonely.

Thats your experience as a gamer. I disagree. Some of my best gaming memories revolve around online gaming with either real life friends or with people I met online who later became my friends. The potential for me to experience the latter is still out there. I just have very little time now. The potential for me to experience the former is almost non existent. My friends are focusing on other aspects of their lives that unfortunately no longer includes gaming.

I my self am far more picky when it comes to gaming. Ill pick up a solid 1st player only game over a couch coop/ multiplayer game any day of the week.


Back between 2004 and 2007 - Xbox Live was far more social than it was after they broke it in the early 360 days. Chat was far more encouraged, people actually talked in games without muting everybody. 2-3 of your friends would come with you to your place after school and play video games for a few hours.


Well for one you have a serious case of rose tinted glasses going on here. Because all of these things are still the norm today. Shit Id even argue that people muted annoying shits talking in their mics in 2004 at the same speed they mute them now.

The only thing that has really changed for me and you is that those 2-3 friends may no longer game. Thats not an Xbox live issue. That is life moving forward. The same thing you are describing the youth get to experience every day. I really think you just miss being young.


There's nothing to respond to, because Fortnite might be popular and probably is - it's the most played game in the world right now - but it's not popular for the same reasons Halo 2 was popular in the time period I mentioned. The jocks, nerds, and valedictorians alike celebrated Halo 2 and made monologues about it in drama class.


you went to a cringe ass high school for one. And Iagree its not popular for the same reasons as Halo 2. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 was not popular for the same reasons as Halo 2. But guess what. Jocks, Nerds and valedictorians at one point played and enjoyed MW2 together. Just like many of them will play and enjoy Fortnite together.


Explain to me how you're supposed to make friends as a new player going on Fortnite.


That depends on the game mode you are playing on. I dont play fortnite to make friends but Ill jump into one of the 2-4 squad base modes just to screw around in. If Im having a good time with some one im playing with Ill send them a friend request. From there we create a party together and game a few sessions. If Im lucky we will talk over a mic and bond. I dont expect that person to be my best friend but they will be my gaming partner when ever both of us are on playing the same game.



Fortnite is monumentally different than Halo 2. For one, it's every man for himself - while Halo 2 for the most part is traditional red vs blue 4-4, 5-5, 8-8 games where there is a sense of comradery and an actual reason to use chat since you can coordinate strategy with your fellow teammates, and discuss forge items while building levels with your friends. I see no reason to chat with anyone in Fortnite. Everyone is your enemy, so unless you're there to showboat the fact that you pwned them, whats the point?


fortnite has multiple game modes though. It is not just every man for himself at this point. (granted I enjoy that mode far more as I dont have to wait for other people to load up the game and join me)



Well whatever, good talk I guess. This is how most conversations with you on GT go. I post my actual thoughts, you tell me I'm wrong without giving any content or context to go with it. You do the same thing when you talk to pop and #85 too. It's dull and anti-conversation.


Cool. A lot has changed from your hiatus. I dont like replying to you because you always come off as a windbag who feels their emotionally rooted opinions are facts that every one has to agree with. I thought you would have changed but I was wrong. That was my mistake.


Posted July 2nd by S.O.H.
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Well I honestly didn't think you were going to post beyond "ok". You could have just posted "ok, I am going to edit this in a few minutes with an actual reply". So you can understand my frustration at the literal two letter response which sounded sarcastic to me.

With that said, I am going to ignore anything you said about:

"Fine, we'll drop it. I'm just curious why you do this in every conversation you're a part of. Just posting vague statements without reasons behind them. It makes it annoying to talk to you you know. Are you actively aware of that?"

Or

"Do us both a favor. Don't bother commenting on anything I say about anything, because I don't feel like wasting my time responding to you if you're just going to tell me it's easier to walk away with a smile. I don't care what your opinions are if you don't have reasons for them."

I retract those comments and apologize. And the reason I retract them is that you actually posted a reasonable response to the actual topic. No point derailing this further, right? But I will say that you're far more interesting when you actually give reasons for what you're saying.

I may not be any different than I was when I left, and between you and me, our personal dislike for each other probably hasn't completely gone away but I don't even remember why we have animosity to begin with and you're not particularly important to me. I'm cool to talk to you if you say something that interests me.

No need to respond to that part. I'm going to address what you said about Fortnite now.

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"That depends on the game mode you are playing on. I dont play fortnite to make friends but Ill jump into one of the 2-4 squad base modes just to screw around in. If Im having a good time with some one im playing with Ill send them a friend request. From there we create a party together and game a few sessions. If Im lucky we will talk over a mic and bond. I dont expect that person to be my best friend but they will be my gaming partner when ever both of us are on playing the same game."

That's fair, sending friend requests is an adequate way to meet people and have them saved on your xbox. But it can come across as creepy too.

Back in 2007-2012ish I was on a forum called pokemon battle league that had probably 25-30 really active members. We had gym leaders, an elite four and probably 5 large tournaments a years and I made genuine friends playing them online on my ds lite and talking to them.

If I was going to make friends in a game like Fortnite I would want a forum like that. I don't feel like simply sending friend requests would be effective. Maybe a couple people would bite. It would be better to talk to them on the forum or facebook group a bit beforehand, and then schedule a time to play with them.

And I agree its not popular for the same reasons as Halo 2.

Why did you even take the time to argue with me or tell me my opinion is a waste of time then? You say I haven't changed in a year. That might be true, but have you changed? I don't give a fuck anymore dude. I have way bigger life problems than anyone on GT. My brother fucking died 2 weeks ago.

The fact that halo 2 is a social game with split screen is why it was popular and was a party game. My high school was super cringe I agree, I fucking hated high school.

Anyway, can you and I just hit the restart button? You sometimes post interesting content but we'll agree that the prerequisite to having a discussion at all is that we both have something interesting to say. I don't give a fraction of a shit about anything either one of us said last year or any year before that.


Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Shit things like Fort Nite and Pub G have become far more accessible to youth because they can now use their smart phones to run either game.

I don't doubt that kids do this, but how fun can that honestly be with touch screen controls? I am reading the rest of that you posted btw, it's just a lot to digest and respond to. I will slowly chip away at it and I'll try to be more reasonable.

Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Adding on to what I just said.

Kids are fucked these days. Do you know what my little Nephew does with almost all of his time? He watches other kids open toys on youtube. His entire life is watching ads and yelling at his mother to buy said toys. It's a terrible toxic thing. And youtube is set up so that those links are easy for him to click and he's not coordinated or smart enough yet to actually type into youtube and find the content he might actually like.

Childhood is getting worse. The 90s and early 00s were the pinnacle. We Millennials may have shitty adult lives but we had one hell of a great time as kids.

Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Why did you even take the time to argue with me or tell me my opinion is a waste of time then? You say I haven't changed in a year. That might be true, but have you changed? I don't give a fuck anymore dude. I have way bigger life problems than anyone on GT. My brother fucking died 2 weeks ago.


Sorry about your brother. Im here if you need to talk.


Anyway, can you and I just hit the restart button? You sometimes post interesting content but we'll agree that the prerequisite to having a discussion at all is that we both have something interesting to say. I don't give a fraction of a shit about anything either one of us said last year or any year before that.


sure.

:)


I don't doubt that kids do this, but how fun can that honestly be with touch screen controls? I am reading the rest of that you posted btw, it's just a lot to digest and respond to. I will slowly chip away at it and I'll try to be more reasonable.


Aww. The difference here is that me and you grew up with tactile physical controls. These kids grew up with touch screens so for them it is the norm and I am sure they find their enjoyment with them. End of the day it is a personal preference. I dont think I would look down on a 14 year old gamer because they choose to play with touch controls. Granted I do think I would be a bit annoyed that they are better than me though. Mostly because I dont have the time or energy to play many games these days.

as of right now my next purchase will be bayonetta 1 and 2 and mario odyssey for my birthday. And they will more than likely be my final purchases of the year for my switch lol.

Posted July 2nd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

I myself found out about fortnite through a group of random middle schoolers who I was working with. So no sorry the social aspect of it is far from dead. I think if you were exposed to other aspects of society you would see how wrong you are. At this point you are just coming off as both jaded and cynical.

If this were three weeks ago, I would tell you that you're right. My brother's suicide though, has done two amazing things for me. One, it's completely eradicated my own depression. I am iron pilling the fuck out of life and having fun, getting sun, eating right, writing so much, I even planted motherfucking spaghetti squash seeds today. The other thing it's done, is give me an appreciation for life. I am at peace with the idea that death awaits me in 50-70 years, but my interest in gaming and antisocial activities has totally died. I can't play Horizon Zero Dawn for more than five minutes. I text roleplay, but in between responses I go on a long walk or jog. I want to be in great health, I don't blame society or the government for my problems anymore. I may still have a few rants to get out of my system. But the truth is, you're right. There's nothing wrong with modern gaming. The problem is me. I don't care about video games anymore. I'm probably going to sell or give them all away. I don't even care about their monetary value.

Gaming was a mutual interest I had with my brother, and I guess that interest died with him. I am looking back fondly at 2007 because that's when we gamed so much. And nothing can ever bring those days back.

I've read everything else you said and I have nothing to add. I nod and I concede that you're correct. Just like I said I would.

Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Adding on to what I just said.

Kids are fucked these days. Do you know what my little Nephew does with almost all of his time? He watches other kids open toys on youtube. His entire life is watching ads and yelling at his mother to buy said toys. It's a terrible toxic thing. And youtube is set up so that those links are easy for him to click and he's not coordinated or smart enough yet to actually type into youtube and find the content he might actually like.


I mean we grew up watching a multitude of ads. If you teach him out to use youtube he gets a choice in what he can watch. We did not have a choice for the most part. I remember begging my parents for a 20 dollar Yugioh Deck among other things. End of the day it comes down to parenting. You have your good parents and your bad parents.

Childhood is getting worse. The 90s and early 00s were the pinnacle. We Millennials may have shitty adult lives but we had one hell of a great time as kids.

I disagree. I dont think its fair to us to compare childhoods. Some one who grew up in the 80s might say that our childhood sucked in comparison. I will say this though. The State of gaming from the mid 90s up until 2010 has drastically changed. I believe that it changed for the worse as there arent as many quality titles as there use to be. (Or maybe I got some serious rose tinted glasses on)






Posted July 2nd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

I can't play Horizon zero dawn for more than five minutes. I roleplay, but in bweteen responses I go on a long walk or job. I want to be in great health, I don't blame society or the government for my problems. I may still have a few rants to get out of my system. But the truth is, you're right. There's nothing wrong with modern gaming. The problem is me. I don't care about video games anymore. I'm probably going to sell or give them all away. I don't even care about their monetary value.

Well shit. Something we can both agree on. I dont think I will sell my switch / or quit gaming all together as I feel that there are experiences out there that can be best experienced through gaming. But I will say that it does not interest me as much any more. I dont regret putting 50 hours into both BOTW and Mario Kart though. Good times.


I've read everything else you said and I have nothing to add. I nod and I concede that you're correct. Just like I said I would.


Thanks happy to see we are on the same page. I apologize for judging to quickly and not airing out my thoughts before.

Posted July 2nd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

We watched ads, but inbetween the ads we got content like Lamchop, sesame street, barney, care bears, pokemon, sailor moon. This kid is literally only watching ads and my sister lets him do it. I don't even live there so I can't stop him. I did give my other, older nephew a ds with pokemon fire red and the original 1999 pokemon handbook and he really likes that.

Kids under the age of 12 just shouldn't be allowed to have smart phones or facebook or any addictive electronics that they can carry around.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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It doesn't really help that they haven't even advertised many interesting upcoming games. I am pretty sure the only game on the horizon that I will absolutely play the shit out of is The Last of Us 2.

Like Mario Odyessey and Zelda BOTW are objectively amazing masterpieces. But I'm not the target audience anymore. I'm not even the target audience of my favorite franchise, Pokemon. The last one who's story I enjoyed was gen 4 and pokemon XD. That was back in, you guessed it, 2007.

Posted July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Kids under the age of 12 just shouldn't be allowed to have smart phones or facebook or any addictive electronics that they can carry around.


While I dont disagree its funny that you say that and right above you commented:

I did give my other, older nephew a ds with pokemon fire red and the original 1999 pokemon handbook and he really likes that.

I am not sure how old your older nephew is but the point I am trying to make is that many of grew up with an addictive electronic devices lol there is not much difference between a tablet/ gameboy/ ds/ psp/ smart phone etc etc.

I personally wouldnt let my preteen child have a cell phone. Maybe a tablet that they can use for a few hours a day. But we also grew up with video game systems and computers. ShIt I was 8-9 when I found the original gametalk.com. I remember pouring hours upon hours just talking with the community. We for the most part came out okay. Granted I do feel there are some social cues/ social norms that I fully grasped when I was in High School/ College that I should have developed when I was a lot younger.

I guess the point I am trying to make it would be hypocritical for us to take such a stance against technology when we actively utilized the technology of our time for enjoyment at a young age.

Posted July 2nd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

It doesn't really help that they haven't even advertised many interesting upcoming games. I am pretty sure the only game on the horizon that I will absolutely play the shit out of is The Last of Us 2.

I agree. The definite pick ups for me God of War, The Last of Us 2 and the New Spider Man game.

Like Mario Odyessey and Zelda BOTW are objectively amazing masterpieces. But I'm not the target audience anymore. I'm not even the target audience of my favorite franchise, Pokemon. The last one who's story I enjoyed was gen 4 and pokemon XD. That was back in, you guessed it, 2007.

I somewhat disagree. If a game looks interesting go out and buy it. You dont have to be a part of the target audience to enjoy it. I mean I had a great time with the incredibles 2. A movie that was geared towards youngsters. Granted I never had any interest for pokemon so thats more of a personal preference.

Posted July 2nd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Playing through Fire Red will take him a few days if he's efficient. He might develop an interest in video game design, drawing the pokemon from the book, or playing video game music. It's a constructive hobby. Pokemon probably enhanced my reading and math skills. It won't control his entire life like facebook, youtube toy ads, and whatever the hell else kids are into these days.

Your point is well made though. But he likes pokemon so much and has oodles of pokemon cards and I wanted him to know that the games are even better than the cards so I gave him the best version of the original.

Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Back in the mid 2000s I used to make animated videos similar to what you see on newgrounds and a lot of my ideas came from the games I played and movies I watched. Many of my drawings did too. My friend plays piano and plays a lot of songs from the games he likes. It gave us creative inspiration in our low tech hobbies.

I guess I wanted my nephew to have as awesome of a childhoopd as I did and the place to start was our common interest of pokemon. It's interesting being the Jedi Master rather than the padawan. It's kind of fun dealing with kids who actually respect and look up to you. I'm a terrible role model. And my nephew reminds me of my brother when he was little. I am six years older than my brother was.

I think games were ok when we were kids because we still went outside and played and had other interests and technology/internet wasn't a 24/7 fundamental part of life to the same degree it is today.



Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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@Scar here is one of my if not THE most memorable gaming nights (5 hours pretty much an entire night) playing ONLINE with someone I've never met in real life that lives on the other side of the country from me! We didn't share a pizza but I still had fun. (It's Count Dooku btw)



It's definitely possible to have fun gaming online with people that are not in a room with you and probably never will be.

I think you're making the mistake of taking your own bad experience and proclaiming that it must suck for everyone else too. Sort of like what mariomguy has done in the past. I've had more fun with gaming post-2015 than I ever did before and I've been gaming since ~1995. I played lots of splitscreen with my siblings growing up but I don't have any use for it today. I do still play online with them over Xbox Live on a regular basis.

It seems to me you don't much like change. Gaming in 2018 should not be expected to be the same as it was in 2007.

Posted July 2nd by Vandy

I think you're right. I use anecdotes too often when dealing with objective situations.

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I don't like the direction of the change. I don't like getting older and fading away and being replaced. But we're all getting old. It's not just me.

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Xbox Live/PSN/PC gaming online is fantastic if you've moved away from home and want to reconnect with people you already know. I just don't see it as a great platform for making NEW friends. Maybe you have more success than me. I have trouble breaking the ice with strangers. That's another anecdote I know.

Vandy we will have a goddamn game of Halo at some point. :P

Edited July 2nd by I killed Mufasa
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Do you ever try the LFG page on Xbox? I've had some success using it to play with people. I rarely use random matchmaking for teammates.

With LFG you can make a post specifying what type of teammate you're looking for. I usually emphasize that I'm just playing for fun and I'm not super competitive. Or if I want to stick to social playlists. That way people (ideally) only join me if they have a similar type of gaming session in mind. You can also browse others' posts to find someone that you want to play with. It will not guarantee that you find the perfect partner but it definitely increases your chances of finding someone you can get along with while playing.

LFG is also really good if you're just trying to go after a particular achievement. Or sometimes I browse through to see if anyone is trying to get an achievement to help them out.

It's a really good feature that doesn't get much attention. I'm afraid a lot of people may not even know about it.

Posted July 2nd by Vandy
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