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This is a solution to the "new users come here and immediately see racism" problem proposed by Count Dooku and SOH and then tweaked a bit by me.

Basically, the world forum is hidden from newest posts/replies/etc by default. You can still get there and get it back on your feed by going through a disclaimer system. New users can find it the same way.

Let's look at how it works:



The link has been moved here and has a disclaimer attached to it. Note that this change doesn't affect you if you already have your own personal quicklinks or have them set back to the old style.



World forum posts are hidden everywhere by default.



If you visit the world forum or any of its posts, you get this disclaimer. The text could be improved -- maybe someone can come up with a better version?

You must click the button to continue.

Once you do, it saves both your IP address and your account (if you're logged in). You only need to sign the disclaimer with one of them -- so people that don't have accounts can still access the world forum like normal.





Once you sign it, the disclaimer disappears from the quicklinks and the forum will appear in your site feed, unless you're using the &not or &only options.

Famov / Arch

Things are now up to Famov and Arch in that forum again. I've talked to them about the hate speech issue and hopefully they'll be able to come up with something.

Forum Elections

In a month or two I want to have another world forum election to see if you guys want to keep Famov/Arch or elect a different set of mods. I'd like to make elections an annual or biannual thing as well.

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I suspect a new election would be more of a popularity contest, as the forum doesn't have the balance it once had.

Edited August 7th by #85
#85

In a month or two I want to have another world forum election to see if you guys want to keep Famov/Arch or elect a different set of mods. I'd like to make elections an annual or biannual thing as well.


You should maybe post this in the politics forum too as I think there are some people who don't check outside of that forum much if at all. Also maybe have that thread pinned as a general discussion where stuff like debates or explaining what they'd do as mod or at least focus on happens.



Edited August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

The balance it once had

you mean no balance at all when masse was here? No moderation.

you are right though. The moderators are unbalanced. All together the Moderation team swings slightly more to the right if anything for this forum.

seems to me that you are afraid you can no longer shit post with no repercussion. Maybe now we can get some decent discussion from the alt right. doubt it.


I think null should be the moderator of the forum. You guys can vote for who ever but if they are not active (Arch) or have a history of never addressing any issues or just flat out ignoring them (looking at you Famov) it is going to be pointless.

here is to hoping that the momentum for these changes doesn't fizzle out and die.

Posted August 7th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

You literally just called me a pedophile the other day and then have the nerve to whine about shitposts? The nerve to be the aggressor and also play victim?

I would be banned if i said what i think about you and what should happen to you.

@Xhin @Famov @Arch is anyone going to give SOH a temp ban? I got banned for much less (not providing a source when demanded)

Edited August 7th by #85
#85

You literally just called me a pedophile the other day and then have the nerve to whine about shitposts? The nerve to be the aggressor and also play victim?


Dont go after 18 year old girls then.

I would be banned if i said what i think about you and what should happen to you.


You are right you should be banned for calling me and my family Illegals through out your time on this site. Whats stopping you from doing it now?

@Xhin @Famov @Arch is anyone going to give SOH a temp ban? I got banned for much less (not providing a source when demanded)


And lol thats not how it works. No one gave me a warning nor was my post tag. if anything my point is pretty much true. those who exclusively go for 18 year old girls would jump on the idea of going after a younger age girl if it were legal.

and sorry when I start posting dribble like, "the holocaust is fake" "obama was born in Kenya", "vaccines cause autism" you can accuse me of shit posting.


Posted August 7th by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

I think null should be the moderator of the forum.


I've already explained why I think that's not the best or even most balanced idea in the previous thread. Just saying though.

Posted August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

No one gave me a warning nor was my post tag.


I did tag your post (and the subsequent post by IKM, which called #85 gay). Coincidentally, you also called for more moderation in that post.

Posted August 7th by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin

Poptart gets banned for calling IKM a nazi

I get banned for not posting a source

SOH calls someone a pedophile and gets a simple tag?

Seems like an unequal distribution.

Edited August 7th by #85
#85

You guys can vote for who ever but if they are not active (Arch) or have a history of never addressing any issues or just flat out ignoring them (looking at you Famov) it is going to be pointless.


Also, it seems like Xhin may want us to ultimately pick two mods, which means there may be a decent chance one will represent the right (and Famov will probably remain if that is the case because the right leaning members have not really expressed much interest in change at this point) and one will be representing the left. If anything we'd probably need another person representing the left not a moderate to take that position, and someone who will actually do something. Just saying there are options for that as well as active ones. Arch's problem wasn't just their activity it was their unwillingness to act too.

Edited August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I get banned for not posting a source

Didn't this happen at least several times? And weren't you like at least warned about it?

Posted August 7th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

Poptart gets banned for calling IKM a nazi


Pop got banned (and had the ban ended early) for repeatedly and aggressively insulting IKM.

I get banned for not posting a source


You get banned for a long and well-established history of belligerence and bigotry with no substance to back it up. When you post things with links and citations, that's cool and I appreciate it. When you post something like "the left champions pedophilia", that's shitty and you should avoid that.

SOH calls someone a pedophile and gets a simple tag?


Yes. It was a brief and relatively non-aggressive insult to your character. As S.O.H. is one of the less troublesome posters, his post was tagged. Because he knows where the line is and has approached it before, I didn't give him a warning, which would have been the first step for a new poster.

Seems like an unequal distribution.


I'm about to distribute my foot up your ass. Like I told you the other day, simmer down and let us reform the forum. Then you can go back to your regularly scheduled shitposting and whatever happens, happens.

Posted August 7th by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin

To be fair though SOH HAS accused other people of that before but for no real reason. And other shit. It's not to say that he's been particularly bad but the idea that he's been one of the most upstanding users throughout is... questionable. I know I may not be the best person to talk about that but it's kind of true.

Posted August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

When you post things with links and citations, that's cool and I appreciate it. 

It was a brief and relatively non-aggressive insult to your character. As S.O.H. is one of the less troublesome posters

There was no citation on him calling me a pedophile. A pedophile being the worst thing i think you can call someone. People get sued for that in real life.

This is site favoritism. Is SOH a donor or something? Why so lax?

I have a big problem with being called a pedophile and something more should be done.

Didn't this happen at least several times? And weren't you like at least warned about it?

Null mentioned i should source it but im not aware of a rule that every statement or claim must be source so I felt no need to source and recommended him to search himself if really interested.

Posted August 7th by #85
#85


I did tag your post (


good. I don't think I checked that thrrad after the last time I posted in it.


S.O.H. is one of the less troublesome posters


I made it!


Any who knuckles I feel that your history with nul gives you bias. So far nul has done an excellent job and its been a breath of fresh air.

Posted August 7th by S.o h
S.o h
 

This is site favoritism. Is SOH a donor or something? Why so lax?


dude you got away with calling me an illegal multiple times with out even getting your post tagged. Don't talk to me about favoritism.


when you stop chasing 18 year old girls ill drop the label. But guess what you brought that upon yourself.

Edited August 7th by S.o.h
S.o.h
 

Any who knuckles I feel that your history with nul gives you bias. So far nul has done an excellent job and its been a breath of fresh air.


I mean I gave you my reasons other than that and I've been trying to let that go. We used to be pretty friendly with each other and communicate fairly often for years too you know. We also seemed to agree on most things. It's only been more recently that there's been a problem and there were reasons for that related to the site and what he did or planned to dp or said on it or said about it. But I've talked about that enough specifically I guess. I've even acknowledged what he's actually done about these issues but there are people better suited to take the role of the left mod than him imo.

18 year old girls


That isn't pedophilia though.

Edited August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium


To be fair though SOH HAS accused other people of that before but for no real reason


that's a straight up lie.

Posted August 7th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

that's a straight up lie.


You don't remember the time you called me a pedo some years ago or so for no real reason?

Posted August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Where I live, 16 is legal, so 18 is very legal .

Posted August 7th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

18 is legal. Strange how you think a woman of legal age is weird but liking transexuals is normal. Judgement is a little off, Miguel.


@Cruinn-Annuin. Just gonna point out that our local white supremacist who has problems with Latinos just addressed me by my real life first name. And I dont believe it was a simple guess either. Isn't that an issue within the site rules.

it is creepy, predatory and disgusting to exclusively chase after 18 year old girls. Like I said if you were given the opportunity there's no doubt in my mind that you would push your disgusting nature further.

Posted August 7th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

just addressed me by my real life first name


I thought he was just using a common name as a form of mockery but if that was the intention it's even worse.

Posted August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

You don't remember the time you called me a pedo some years ago or so for no real reason?


No. I honestly don't. If I did do that I am genuinely sorry. Unlike 85 you have never posted any basis for that to cross my mind about you. I was an asshole I know that for sure but I don't remember everything I've done in the 7+ years that ive been a member.


Soh accused me of being welsh gamer how could anyone think I was that ......




Edited August 7th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

No. I honestly don't. If I did do that I am genuinely sorry.


Well. Assholery does tend to happen from time to time here. It's fine if you mean that.

Also welsh gamer was around before Brandy even came back and I seriously doubt that. There's no reason to believe that anyway imo.

Edited August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

This is site favoritism. Is SOH a donor or something? Why so lax?


It's site favortism that someone received moderator action for insulting you?

He got a slightly lighter reaction because he's not literally the worst poster on the site.

End of conversation.

Posted August 7th by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin

Just gonna point out that our local white supremacist

I have never identified as a white supremacist. Another slanderous attack after an initial opening attack.

Let me guess no one cares unless I respond in kind.

How much restraint am I expected to show in a wave of insults?

A smart man once said "our patience has its limits!"

Posted August 7th by #85
#85

Let me guess no one cares unless I respond in kind.


I did say I don't agree with him on his reasoning if they're 18 you know. A shitload of people are more attracted to younger people without really going beyond the legal threshold because a lot of people seem more attracted to young adults. I don't think it's a sign of pedophilia whatsoever, but you've been out of line too.

Edited August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Just gonna point out that our local white supremacist who has problems with Latinos just addressed me by my real life first name. And I dont believe it was a simple guess either.

As if he knows your name. He picked a common hispanic name as a cheap way of reducing you to your racial identity, which is of course deliberately and obviously racist and this is probably the worst possible time he could do that, but here we are.

The accidental dox is nevertheless tagged.

#85, for your own sake, you can't do stuff like this.

Additionally, the pedophile accusations are pretty clearly inappropriate as well. Respect is a two way street, but it would really be an improvement if we all held ourselves to a set of basic standards, on account that we're adults and this really isn't very hard.

Edited August 7th by Famov
Famov

It's site favortism that someone received moderator action for insulting you?

It's site favoritism that just because SOH makes a forum complaint, everything is changed as a result.

I make a complaint that i was slandered and defamed and its brushed off as a "non aggresive insult"

Yeah, site favoritism. Complaint still stands can another moderator weigh in?

Posted August 7th by #85
#85

Even if #85 liked 15 year old girls that wouldn't make him a pedophile. It would make him an ephebophile.

Posted August 7th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

It's site favoritism that just because SOH makes a forum complaint, everything is changed as a result.


Yeah, because THAT has totally happened.

I make a complaint that i was slandered and defamed and its brushed off as a "non aggresive insult"


Also didn't happen and you're blatantly taking the quoted words out of context.

I realize that spinning as is natural to you as a fish breathing water, but I'm not going to put up with it in this situation. Do it again and I will ban you.

Posted August 7th by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin

I'm adding nullfather to my block list. If possible Id still like another moderator to weigh in, thanks.

Posted August 7th by #85
#85

Can you block mods?

Posted August 7th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I'm another moderator. You'd be well advised not to participate in this thread anymore.

Posted August 7th by Famov
Famov

Yes.

Posted August 7th by #85
#85

Can you block mods?


I believe so, but that's not going to do anything beneficial for him. It's just going to make it so that he doesn't see me warning him about anything.

Posted August 7th by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin


Additionally, the pedophile accusations are pretty clearly inappropriate as well. Respect is a two way street, but it would really be an improvement if we all held ourselves to a set of basic standards, on account that we're adults and this really isn't very hard.



so now you decide to act. Where were you when he was calling me and my family a bunch of illegals? Are you only acting now because you are forced to get involved?


and yes 85 I have a lot of power. I can even make you dissapear.

Posted August 7th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

(removed post where I wasn't paying proper attention)

Edited August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Any who keep up the good work guys. I am happy that the changes are being implemented and the overwhelming voice of the community is being heard.

Posted August 7th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

(removed post that was clarifying)

Edited August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I'm another moderator. You'd be well advised not to participate in this thread anymore

I'd mention that someone is suing Elon Musk for calling them a pedophile. It's a big deal and I don't like how lightly it's being taken.

Tally in this thread alone :

2 pedophile accusations
1 white supremacist accusation
1 "i will make you disappear" threat

I will take the advice and step out of the thread.

Edited August 7th by #85
#85

Anyway... is that general thread in the politics forum I mentioned going to happen?

Edited August 7th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Lmao that is far from a threat and you know it.


And thats a cute tally maybe one day ill be able to match the anti Semitic,racist, homophobic, hateful remark s you have said across the site. Maybe then my actions will warrant a ban over a simple tagging.

If such comments about your character bother you stop chasing 18 year old girls. And stop bragging about them on online forums.




Edited August 7th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

Give the 18-year-old thing a rest.

Posted August 7th by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin

Its the basis for my "accusation". But noted.

I also think it is backwards to be able to block a moderators post. Like a child closing their eyes and pressing their hands against their ears while screaming "I can't hear you". If one needs a safe space and another moderator to talk to I can understand but really? Why is that a feature.

Posted August 7th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

Can you move this thread to world/hell/purgatory so we don't all have to look at it every time we click newest replies?

When threads get like this they are cancer to any chance in he'll we get new members. Use some discretion, mods.

Edited August 7th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I'll split off and move the #85 stuff, but the main thread needs to stay outside of the now-hidden forum for obvious reasons. I also want to reply to both posts.

Posted August 7th by Xhin
 
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