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Why was my post in Nulls thread tagged for saying "shut up"?
Posted: Posted January 14th
Edited January 14th by KnokkelMillennium

I've already had worse directed at me albeit subtly earlier and nothing will be done about that.

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First, thank you for taking this here. I appreciate you continuing the discussion here.

Your post was fine, until you brought your personal grudge into it. I didn't tag the post because you told someone to "shut up." However, you made a legitimate reply to a user you are known to have a grudge with, and then concluded it randomly with "shut up about everything." Bringing that into a thread and *starting* with that is the kind of thing we're generally trying to prevent. I don't care if you want to be nasty but on topic to nulfather or anyone else, but if you're going to go into another's thread specifically to tell them to shut up, that will constitute trolling. If a thread starts getting snippy, the context changes, and it might be fine. However, when your very first post in the thread includes that, it makes it seem like you are explicitly going into that thread to cause problems.

I try to keep an eye on things as best I can, and have not personally seen someone do that to you, but I invite you to call it to my attention when it happens. It is not my intention to miss it, and my ability to mod is dependent on my time available to be here (which isn't always a lot lately, and could be why I haven't seen it before).

But going forward, I would just suggest that you at least try to avoid making everything personal, or at least not *start* by carrying your grudge into a thread.

(Edited to fix typos.)

Edited January 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

However, when your very first post in the thread includes that, it makes it seem like you are explicitly going into that thread to cause problems.


I went in to tell him to shut about everything which would be nice if he can't get his shit together otherwise. I didn't expect him to reply to it, and frankly it looks like he didn't even bother to go check his thread when he was here afterwards to read it. I did that knowing he would avoid it.

I try to keep an eye on things as best I can, and have not personally seen someone do that to you, but I invite you to call it to my attention when it happens. It is not my intention to miss it


When he was saying "the way you perceive things is unique" to me in that "everything would be better if everything didn't exist" or whatever the fuck it said thread, he was implicating that I have the perception of an autist or a schizo.

But going forward, I would just suggest that you at least try to avoid making everything personal, or at least not *start* by carrying your grudge into a thread.


No promises. It would probably be easier to ban me at this point since I can't stand seeing him after a certain amount of time, especially when he provokes me.

Edited January 14th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I went in to tell him to shut about everything which would be nice if he can't get his shit together otherwise.


Right. That's the part that constitutes trolling. Bringing outside elements into a thread of a specific user. That's the context that made "shut up" taggable. If you want to create a separate thread in a forum specifically telling him to shut up if he can't get his shit together or whatever, that is one thing (provided, of course, it is appropriate for that forum - so not something like Video Games or Entertainment, et cetera). Specifically bringing it into his threads is another matter, however.

When he was saying "the way you perceive things is unique" to me in that "everything would be better if everything didn't exist" or whatever the fuck it said thread, he was implicating that I have the perception of an autist or a schizo.


I did not interpret it that way. You have your beef, so I assume that colors your perspective on it, or even his comments to you. In the context of that thread, I did not get the impression that was what he was implying. And to be a little fair, going through that thread, you kind of get overly argumentative with virtually everyone. I don't mean this to sound insensitive - I have a very casual understanding of your problems with nul, but no real deep insight into it - is it possible that maybe you take things a little too personally to begin with?


It would probably be easier to ban me at this point since I can't stand seeing him after a certain amount of time, especially when he provokes me.


I'm not looking to ban anyone, but perhaps you should maybe figure out how to exercise a little restraint if just seeing him create a thread sets you off? Maybe just avoid the posts he creates, start there and see how it goes? Obviously, you'll likely still have interactions with him in other threads, but might be a valuable starting point? Or not rushing to lash out - or at least not lashing out at other people who aren't nul. I understand "just avoid him" isn't ideal, but I know I've found a way to avoid interacting with users that try to get under my skin. It can help.



Posted January 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

Right. That's the part that constitutes trolling


It only does if you have a very loose definition of what trolling is. It was not meant to cause a shitstorm nor did I think it even could, thus I don't see it as trolling.

And to be a little fair, going through that thread, you kind of get overly argumentative with virtually everyone


I really don't. It's usually only him or someone else when they're blatantly trying to make trouble with ME, like SOH in that recent thread somewhere. You're highly exaggerating here and I hate it.

is it possible that maybe you take things a little too personally to begin with?


Not in THIS case.

Edited January 14th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Maybe just avoid the posts he creates, start there and see how it goes?


I'll still see it in newest replies and EVEN if I blocked him (which is a stupid concept ESPECIALLY on a forum) I would still have to see people replying to him thus doing effectively nothing for me.

or at least not lashing out at other people who aren't nul.


Brandy's post came with the implication that the only reason I have a such a problem with Null and make it a big deal is simply because I have problems. That may part of it but it is definitely not the whole issue and I found that very annoying.

but I know I've found a way to avoid interacting with users that try to get under my skin.


Much, much easier said than done for me.

Posted January 14th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Besides Null said the same thing elsewhere about Brandy to me. Part of that post was simply pointing it out. I could have handled it better sure but I was already in a bad mood and I don't like it when people do shit like that just like I don't like you thinking for whatever reason I get overly argumentative with everyone especially if it's only based on that thread.

That thing with Moonray was just a typical discussion with confusion mixed into it. So how you could look at that thread, and see over argumentativeness is beyond me.

Edited January 14th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I really don't. It's usually only him or someone else when they're blatantly trying to make trouble with ME, like SOH in that recent thread somewhere. You're highly exaggerating here and I hate it.


Sorry. I should have been more clear: I was speaking specifically of that thread, not overall. You are not being overly aggressive in that thread, but you do take an approach in which you basically argue other people's opinions aren't legitimate, or simply reduce their points to being biased (even though pretty much everyone in that thread likes Star Wars as well).

From a larger perspective, I have observed that you tend to take on more of a contrarian approach here, which can make for some interesting and engaging discussion. (It's pretty much the main reason I enjoy talking to mariomguy - his "I fundamentally think everything I like is better and the only true opinion" take winds up making me examine why it is I like the things I do and figure out how to adequately put it, even though I know full well he'll never change his mind.) However, the danger of that approach is that it can outstay its welcome. When you get to a point where you're just disagreeing to disagree (like saying that you would probably still disagree with everyone even if you did actually watch Star Trek), it comes off a tad annoying.

I'll still see it in newest replies and EVEN if I blocked him (which is a stupid concept ESPECIALLY on a forum) I would still have to see people replying to him thus doing effectively nothing for me.


Right, but you don't have to click on those. This is the Red Leaf problem: this idea that you somehow have no agency in your life or behavior. I understand addiction and compulsion (lord, do I...), but no one is forcing you to click those threads. No one is forcing you to really take in his posts. And no one is forcing you to respond. You can at least start trying to take some control, and see how it goes. I know we aren't identical, and everyone is different, but I didn't just randomly stop interacting with users that go out of their way to get under my skin. Granted, I had the benefit of the 505 Internal Server Error costing me an hour of writing to help suck the will to respond out of me, but really, if *I* can do it, for real anyone can.

Posted January 14th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

but you do take an approach in which you basically argue other people's opinions aren't legitimate, or simply reduce their points to being biased (even though pretty much everyone in that thread likes Star Wars as well).


If you want to interpret my opinions of other people's opinions wrong. Look, I was arguing based on what I knew. Don't try to give me the mariomguy treatment just because the way I saw it contradicts the way other fans saw it. Also, I wasn't talking about the movies. Most people here only ever saw the movies, I did figure Moonray as an exception but he still seemed to be missing what I recalled existing.

This is not a tendency in me, and really all you're doing by saying such is serving to annoy me further.

(It's pretty much the main reason I enjoy talking to mariomguy


Even if you like talking to him don't compare me to him if the site and probably you thinks less of his viewpoints for it. It's incorrect to compare us anyway because as I said, I am not nearly as contrarian as him. If you want real contrarianism, look at someone like #85. I just tend to like weird shit and occasionally I'll have a view point that most people disagree with but it really doesn't happen as much as you think.

"I fundamentally think everything I like is better and the only true opinion"


That wasn't what I was doing or saying. I was simply insisting that Star Wars has enough of the same traits as well. If anything it seemed like that's what NULL was doing. Which, seemed more likely later that he wasn't but it wasn't because of how he was wording things.

However, the danger of that approach is that it can outstay its welcome


Good thing it's not even an "approach" that is happening much.

(like saying that you would probably still disagree with everyone even if you did actually watch Star Trek)


Jesus Christ. I was saying that even if I did watch Star Trek I would probably prefer other posts in the thread. you seem really confused as to what was actually happening.

Right, but you don't have to click on those. This is the Red Leaf problem: this idea that you somehow have no agency in your life or behavior.


I don't see it as a problem, nor does it reflect my "agency in life or behavior". I have problems with him for specific reasons and I won't stand to have you say it's something wrong with me. When someone sees something wrong, they want to confront it. The fact that he is here as he is makes the site far less enjoyable and makes it nearly impossible to engage in any positive conversation without feeling worse simply by knowing that he is around.

I understand addiction and compulsion


It is not about addiction. If there was truly nothing at all left that I liked about the site I would have simply left by now. My issue with Null has nothing to do with addiction.

but no one is forcing you to click those threads.


In my eyes it is better to confront it than to simply ignore it and be silently pissed off.

You can at least start trying to take some control, and see how it goes.


As I said, even in control I think this is what I should be doing. Ignoring the problem does not fix it for me.

From a larger perspective, I have observed that you tend to take on more of a contrarian approach here,


Not in any way that matters usually.

Edited January 15th by KnokkelMillennium
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