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Motherboard: MSi Z370 Gaming Plus
RAM: 16 GB Corsair Vengence LPX
Cooling: Corsair H60

Intended to pair with:

GPU: EVGA NVIDIA GTX 960 FTW Edition
SSD: 1 TB Samsung Evo
PSU: 450 watt Arum (Platinum certification)

I was able to get everything... except an Intel i7 8700k. Doing some research, it seems both Intel is having shortages AND may be getting ready to launch the 9700k. But now I'm nervous: will the new chip support my new motherboard? Why the hell did I buy these parts without the CPU?! And should I get an overpriced CPU on Amazon, or should I wait for the new one which may never be announced?!

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Why a 960? That card isn't very powerful. A 1060 would give you nearly flawless gaming at 1080p. 960 is going to have occasional hiccups and some games unplayable.

Posted September 22nd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

I bought the 960 ages ago, I'm just saying I have this already and this will be my build once complete (when I get more cash, I'll need to save up for an RTX-capable GPU for development).

For now, I want to focus on the CPU. Currently I have an i7-3770 - Needs upgrading! It would be nice to have the 8700k tier, but Intel may potentially be releasing the i7-9700k and i9-9700k next month. Should I return my motherboard? Should I hold out and wait for the 9th generation to come out, whenever it does? For someone building a PC right now, what's the best option?

Posted September 22nd by mariomguy

Honestly the i7-7700 is still fantastic. That's what I have in mine.

Edited September 22nd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Yes, but I have a 2 week return deadline on this motherboard and a new CPU could be coming out in 3! Will there be any motherboards that support the new CPU at launch? This is too close to the edge...

Posted September 22nd by mariomguy

I don't know much about motherboards. But it's such an incremental increase and it's not like computers are suddenly on Windows 11. I don't think you're in any real trouble.

Edited September 22nd by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

OK, motherboard should be fine. I guess I should just wait until the freaking 9700 gets announced...

Posted September 22nd by mariomguy

I don't know much about motherboards. But it's such an incremental increase and it's not like computers are suddenly on Windows 11. I don't think you're in any real trouble.


I think what Mariomguy is mostly concerned about is the slot changing. Every so often they improve the motherboard slot but as a result it creates incompatibilities between processor generations. (Old ones don't work in the new slot and new processors don't work in the old slots).

Also when the 8th gen cpus launched the new motherboards were rushed out and only supported 8th gen cpus. This has changed now that they've been out a while and new mobo models are out but it's an example of things being incompatible unexpectedly.

This is why it's typically best to buy the two thing together.

For someone building a PC right now, what's the best option?


Personally I'd not have bought the mobo on it's own but since we're past that point... Depends how much you want "the best".

If so return your mobo and wait and see what happens. Typically a new processor releases alongside a new series of motherboards designed to take full advantage of it.

If you're not bothered then keep your mobo and wait out the 8700k. It's a very good processor (I have one after upgrading from 4th gen) and it should even reduce in price once the 9th gen is out.

I guess you just need to pick which processor you're going to want and go from there.

Posted September 23rd by Moonray
Moonray
 

Yes, I was planning to change the CPU alone, but since the new ones became incompatible with old boards I had no choice but to upgrade everything all at once.

What features would a modern motherboard have that the Z370 Gaming Plus doesn't, or couldn't, after a BIOS upgrade?

I can send this motherboard back now. All I'm waiting on is the damn CPU to release. Since I have time, any suggestions for cases? I prefer a white color, something that can accept a slightly longer PSU, and noise reduction.

Posted September 23rd by mariomguy

What features would a modern motherboard have that the Z370 Gaming Plus doesn't, or couldn't, after a BIOS upgrade?


It's not necessarily. As newer processors get faster they do little /big (depending on the processor) redesigns and such to make the new mobo take full advantage of that. In reality you it's often not noticeable difference, but if you're waiting on a 9700 (or K) purely to have the best possible processor at the time of purchase then I kinda assume that tiny difference also matters.

Either way though you're probably better off sending the mobo back if you want a 9th gen. If they do the same as they did for 8th gen then you'll be forced to a new mobo initially and if they don't then I guess you can always rebuy it (and in that case I assume you won't have lost any money assuming they allow you to send it back for free?)... But eh, as I said this is why I always buy them together :P

Since I have time, any suggestions for cases?


Do you have a size preference? I tend to buy very large cases because I like having a lot of room to work with and they often have nicer visual aesthetics so the stuff I am familiar with might not appeal to you if you want something small or average sized.

I've bought CoolerMaster cases the last couple of times and they've always been good quality but I don't know if they do a lot of white stuff.

Posted September 23rd by Moonray
Moonray
 

Sorry, I need a case that is portable. But I may not be ready for the cable management of a micro ATX just yet. Perhaps a standard ATX should be fine.

Posted September 23rd by mariomguy

Ha ha yea. Earlier thus year I moved my "media hub" PC into a Micro-ITX case: https://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/products/index.php?model=RVZ03 Was a fun challenge but definitely not something I'd recommend to anyone who doesn't want to deal with cable management. End result is an easily portable PC that's a bit larger than an Xbone but still comfortably fits into the tv cabinet and looks nice :)

The specs included a GTX 1060 and an AIO water cooler for the cpu.

Edited September 23rd by Moonray
Moonray
 

It's official, I returned the motherboard today. I wish I could have an ITX build, but the water cooler I bought will never work in that thing, and I don't think I myself can work in that thing. Seriously though, mad props to you for succeeding!

Posted September 23rd by mariomguy

Definitely not my style lol but from a functionality perspective I can see why you'd go for it.

Posted October 7th by Moonray
Moonray
 

MicroATX, so it's small and portable. Glass makes it easy to display nice components. Cable management happens in the second chamber, separate from the main chamber, allowing for much better airflow and easier building. There's enough space for a water cooler and plenty of fans. USB 3.0 on the top allows for easy access (since this will be set on the ground). And dust filters are everywhere prevent need for dusting inside the case (as frequently)!

Personally I'd prefer a version with handles that can be more easily carried and tempered glass only on one side, and a bit more peace of mind regarding PSU sizes in that second chamber (mine is slightly oversized), but overall this seems to be a fantastic case for a small first build!

Posted October 7th by mariomguy

Where do you put the dilithium crystals to generate 1.21 gigawats?

Posted October 8th by Q
Q

Where do you put the dilithium crystals to generate 1.21 gigawats?


Where we are gaming we dont need to generate GIGAWATS!

Posted October 8th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

But it’s what makes gameplay possible!!

Posted October 8th by Q
Q

Sorry to tell you Q but Lenovo have stockpiled all the dilithium crystals for this PC they built:
https://twitter.com/lenovo/status/1045484361007521793

Posted October 8th by Moonray
Moonray
 

W.........T..............F...............

How did I not know about something like that?

Posted October 8th by Q
Q

:D

It's almost perfect but the back had to be too bulky. I think if they'd used the Discovery design for it then it would have worked better as that just has a giant triangle block anyway.

Posted October 8th by Moonray
Moonray
 

The Enterprise D model would have worked well too since the Saucer section’s large, oval shape would have been perfect for a small motherboard.

Posted October 9th by Q
Q

OK, so now I'm having an existential crisis between the 8700k (6/12) and the 9700k (8/8). I need this CPU for multithreaded applications, and the 8700k has 50% more threads. But multithreading is not an exact 1:1 ratio with the same number of cores, and the 9700k is clocked 0.2 Ghz higher. On paper it seems the 8700k has it beat, but we won't know for sure until we get actual performance metrics.

Posted October 14th by mariomguy

But it’s over 9000!!!!

Posted October 14th by Q
Q

OK, does anyone actually want to help me figure this out? Picking out a CPU is a really stressful decision and I don't want to be disappointed for years with my choice! I'm tempted to wait another year until Intel releases that damn 10nm process.

The new processor launches October 19 (this Friday). I want a 3-4x multithreading improvement over my old i7-3770 to justify the cost of a new PC. If the 9700k does that, then maybe I'll be happy.

I'm also having second-thoughts on the case. Reviews love every aspect of it... except the fan noise, which seems to be steady and constant. I like my fans to be power managed so I am consciously aware of how much the CPU is pumping out at any given time.

Posted October 14th by mariomguy

Isn't <10nm supposed to be physically impossible without considerably new tech? If they get past that limit there's going to be far greater technological repercussions than having an obsolete CPU.

Posted October 14th by Xhin
Xhin
Fractal icious

The hurdles will become more and more difficult nowadays because considerably new tech needs to be invented. But Intel announced silicone will not be abandoned until 7nm. And electricity doesn't have to be abandoned until 1-3nm. We have some time, but the wall is approaching ever so slowly.

Posted October 14th by mariomguy

I guess 7nm is what I'm thinking of as the actual limit here.

Is Moore's law still holding true?

Posted October 14th by Xhin
Xhin
Fractal icious

Um, sort of. It's not as strong as it used to be because die shrinks are getting harder, but Intel has been developing new technologies to make modern CPUs more flexible. For instance, the way hyperthreading boosts performance, there are tons of other CPU features that can modify the way instructions are handled "under-the-hood" to complete the same calculations with less instructions and increase throughput. Their first 10nm processor prototype was actually significantly slower than their newest 14nm++ because of this. You can take a CPU today with the same cores, threads, AND nm process of a CPU made 7 years ago and find the performance has more than doubled, just by the optimizations alone.

Since optimization was hardly ever a concern in the past, and die shrinks were so much easier to manufacture, we ended up wasting way more instructions than what was necessary to calculate everything for decades. This optimization is an angle we didn't even realize we had.

So, Moore's Law is not as strong as it used to be since instructions are not improving that quickly, but when you step back and look at the bigger picture encoding video is way faster, performing multithreaded tasks is way faster, graphics are looking much better, and everything seems to be running a hell of a lot quicker, slicker, and smoother, and far more reliably than it ever did before. The results and improvements will definitely vary by application.

I found myself writing a book on this subject, so I'll cut it off here.

Posted October 14th by mariomguy

Oh, and no, 7nm is not the smallest. After that we'll just need to use something other than silicone: Intel is currently researching what the next material will be. But at 3nm electrons jump bridge and we'll need to use something other than electricity! So far, 1nm atom-sized transistors require very special conditions in order to work, so they're not very practical for mass production and fitting on microchips: it's likely going to be impossible given the number of physical constraints.

Some of the best scientists and engineers in the world work at Intel. What they're doing is not cheap, it's not easy, and it's quickly become a greater and greater miracle every time.

OK, I'll cut it off here!

Posted October 14th by mariomguy

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-9700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/4030vs3958
I've been staring at this comparison for a while now. The AMD Ryzen 7 2700X outperforms Intel's i7-9700x in multicore rendering (what I need to improve desperately). I'm looking for a great desktop and an excellent workstation, so it seems AMD already had Intel beat to the punch 6 months ago.

Can anyone here vouch for AMD processors?

Posted October 30th by mariomguy

OK, the parts finally came in!

CPU: AMD Ryzen 2700x
GPU: EVGA NVIDIA GTX 960 FTW Edition
Motherboard: Asus Prime B450M-A
PSU: 450 watt Arum (Platinum certification)
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8 GB
SSD: 1 TB Samsung Evo
Case: RAIJINTEK STYX

I'll be building a beast with this :)

Posted November 8th by mariomguy

Here it is, guys!:



Edited November 15th by mariomguy

The good: CPU runs much faster than my old Intel i7. Multithreaded stuff does come through a lot quicker. Even basic compiling of shaders is much faster and feels more slick.

The bad: The Ryzen 7 2700x has a temperature reporting issue, so the fans keep pulsing on and off. UGH. I changed some power settings to mitigate this issue. My CPU now idles at 5% and is capped at 99%.

The worst: My front panel USBs don't work with my phone. The USB malfunction message keeps popping up. Other devices work, just not the one device I'll probably be using the most >:(

Posted November 15th by mariomguy

The good: CPU runs much faster than my old Intel i7. Multithreaded stuff does come through a lot quicker. Even basic compiling of shaders is much faster and feels more slick.


Cool ^_^

I still hate white PCs but I'm glad you found a case you like.

Out of curiosity what spec is the RAM you got and did you need to enable an XMP profile? I've found Corsair's Vengeance RAM can get a bit unstable when being overclocked even though they are selling it with speeds that require the overclock to reach.

The bad: The Ryzen 7 2700x has a temperature reporting issue, so the fans keep pulsing on and off. UGH. I changed some power settings to mitigate this issue. My CPU now idles at 5% and is capped at 99%.


Yea, I would rather have a noisy fan than a fan that's pulsing. Somehow it's just more noticeable when it goes off and on or keeps speeding and slowing.

The worst: My front panel USBs don't work with my phone. The USB malfunction message keeps popping up. Other devices work, just not the one device I'll probably be using the most >:(


That sucks. Do you know if it's a fault with the case or just a comparability thing?

Posted November 16th by Moonray
Moonray
 

Out of curiosity what spec is the RAM you got and did you need to enable an XMP profile? I've found Corsair's Vengeance RAM can get a bit unstable when being overclocked even though they are selling it with speeds that require the overclock to reach.

Hm. I personally haven't had an issue so far. SSD speed seems to be the bottleneck, not the RAM. My old PC had 12 GB of DDR3 ram, and the new one doesn't boot up any faster.

Also, this is a microATX and I am digging the small form factor! This is a computer that just makes sense.

Yea, I would rather have a noisy fan than a fan that's pulsing. Somehow it's just more noticeable when it goes off and on or keeps speeding and slowing.

UGH. Tell me about it. But I seem to have it under control now.

That sucks. Do you know if it's a fault with the case or just a comparability thing?

Well, my flash drive works, but my external HDD and phone don't. I'm tempted to call Raijintek to figure out WTF is happening.

Posted November 16th by mariomguy

OK, so there are definitely compatibility issues with the front USB ports:

USB Flash Drive - This works fine. Files transfer properly, no connection issues
Galaxy S7 - Causes repeated notifications of device malfunction. Charges, but cannot transfer data. Not sure if this is a case issue, but the USB ports on the back of my motherboard work fine.
Casio Keyboard - Goes unrecognized completely.
USB light - Lights up and functions appropriately.
Xbox controller - Lights up, but does not appear to function properly.
Toshiba External HDD - Lights up and properly enters USB 3.0 mode, but does not appear to be connected in OS.

I contacted Raijintek and they said they'll send me a front panel USB part. That was a week ago. I didn't receive the part yet. I'm not even sure if it will fix my problem.

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In other news, I bought more fans than my case can handle! Yay! I need a fan hub. I'm leaning towards something with control from the motherboard and power from SATA. I only want to add one more fan, but I'm real nervous about splitting the power from one fan to two. Any recommendations?

Posted November 25th by mariomguy

OK, so I got a simple fan splitter and it's doing the job quite well: my top radiator pulls air in, towards the graphics card, and the liquid-cooling Corsair fan sees air going out the back bottom of the case. Gravity is on my side. I also configured my fans to not run as often due to the incorrect temp reporting in the BIOS (Ryzen 7 2700x reports 10 degrees hotter than it should). My case is now running silently and operating smoothly!

Fixed cable management properly, behind the motherboard. There's still some excess, obviously, but even in a microATX there's plenty of room. If anything, I should probably get some cable ties to make things more pleasing.

I'm happy with all my parts right now. GPU could use an update, and I am really digging the idea of LL120s, but I can wait another year for that. Front USB ports still not working. Only thing I'm not too happy about >:( But everything else is a dream :)

Posted December 8th by mariomguy
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