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W H A T (one of my favorite albums was just tagged as "inappropriate/offensive")
Posted: Posted December 19th, 2017 by nullfather

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPfPdxK8yuw
Today, upon trying to share a YouTube link of one of my favorite albums with someone, I discovered that the video has been reported as offensive or inappropriate.



Certain features have been disabled for this video

In response to user reports, we have disabled some features, such as comments, sharing, and suggested videos, because this video contains content that may be inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.


??????????

I clicked the "Learn More" link and was taken to a page that says:

Our Community Guidelines prohibit hate speech that either promotes violence or has the primary purpose of inciting hatred against individuals or groups based on certain attributes. YouTube also prohibits content intended to recruit for terrorist organizations, incite violence, celebrate terrorist attacks, or otherwise promote acts of terrorism. Some borderline videos, such as those containing inflammatory religious or supremacist content without a direct call to violence or a primary purpose of inciting hatred, may not cross these lines for removal. Following user reports, if our review teams determine that a video is borderline under our policies, it may have some features disabled.


What the actual fuck?

This is some of the most tenuous moderation I've ever seen. What in the hell is offensive about this album? It's ironpill as fuck and that's about it. It's nothing even remotely close to any of the actual nationalist/supremacist metal that's out there - I've never seen any of the other metal I listen to get flagged like this, including the album Noontide, which literally has a swastika on the cover. Are the themes of virtue, heroism and power in Hero so fucking offensive that they felt justified in cutting it off from related videos, disallowing comments and even deactivating the stats? What is "inflammatory or supremacist" about this album?

Fertile is the mind tilled with steel.
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Stop unironically saying ironpill. It's not some culture or anything that didn't already exist beforehand.

I've never seen any of the other metal I listen to get flagged like this, including the album Noontide, which literally has a swastika on the cover


Probably either because it's a new thing they're doing, because people who don't want to be offended aren't seeking out shit with swastikas on them in the first place so it doesn't get reported, or the AI is being stupid anyway. No idea if the AI handles this in particular though.

This is probably just the beginning of yet another shitshow of youtube fucking everyone over. However knowing some of the "iron pill" types there was quite possibly something in there that accurately fits their reasoning. Just because you don't realize something is wrong with it doesn't mean there isn't.

Edited December 19th, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Stop unironically saying ironpill.


No, thank you.

However knowing some of the "iron pill" types there was quite possibly something in there that accurately fit their reasoning.


There isn't. I know the album back to front.

Posted December 19th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

So you may have noticed the religious themes in this. As well as things like this "Her quiver brings
The furious rape
Of my heartstrings"

And of the violent implication of some of the lyrics.

inflammatory is a bit vague and it seems kind of stupid to specifically put religious there, but ya with what youtube's standards are this probably falls under inflammatory religious content even if it is only loosely connected. Perhaps I missed some more concrete bits but that's probably what happened. That or something like the lyrics I had to use google translate on which say "Predatory adultery with phosphorus", in which case adultery being called "predatory" or whatever similar word was actually used to describe it could also technically be seeing as inflammatory religious content. My guess is someone was offended as soon as they heard rape used lightly.

Though a lot of this sounds rather despair heavy and I don't see why you even see it as particularly "iron pill" aside from some of the themes.

Edited December 19th, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

So you may have noticed the religious themes in this


What is offensive/inflammatory about religious themes?

As well as things like this "Her quiver brings / The furious rape / Of my heartstrings"


How is that any more inflammatory or offensive than the literal thousands of tracks on YouTube that use the concept of rape is far more literal and exploitative ways and yet haven't been flagged in any way?

My guess is someone was offended as soon as they heard rape used lightly.


In no way is the term used lightly.

Though a lot of this sounds rather despair heavy


Contradictory to how it was actually designed, but whatever.

I don't see why you even see it as particularly "iron pill" aside from some of the themes.


Aside from it being directly and explicitly themed on virtue, heroism and power?

Posted December 19th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

What is offensive/inflammatory about religious themes?


Don't play dumb. You know exactly what I mean by what I posted later.

How is that any more inflammatory or offensive than the literal thousands of tracks on YouTube that use the concept of rape is far more literal and exploitative ways and yet haven't been flagged in any way?


You keep pointing to things that are doing worse. Worse doesn't mean it's absolved from anything wrong according to what youtube believes is wrong.

But like I said, probably because people who don't want to be offended probably aren't looking for that kind of thing in the first place and thus don't report it.

In no way is the term used lightly.


Yes I shouldn't have said lightly. But still, it's using it for a figure of speech that may be seen as offensive or at least in poor tastes. To make this easier I'll post the definition of heartstrings.

"used in reference to one's deepest feelings of love or compassion."

The way that it is worded can very easily appear as though it is taking something awful that is forced onto someone, and comparing it to unrequited love. That's what I MEANT to say by lightly.

Aside from it being directly and explicitly themed on virtue, heroism and power?


That is what I was referring to with "themes" but it seemed to me "iron pill" is supposed to be more than just that. Especially since 2 of those things are relatively worthless and impractical for average people.

Posted December 19th, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

could it have been something in the video description rather than the song/video itself? or the account?

i'm not sure how youtube moderation really works, but from what i hear, it sounds like a bunch of bullshit.



Posted December 19th, 2017 by poptart!
poptart!
 

Don't play dumb. You know exactly what I mean by what I posted later.


What the fuck are you talking about???

You keep pointing to things that are doing worse. Worse doesn't mean it's absolved from anything wrong according to what youtube believes is wrong.


I keep pointing to things that are actually inappropriate. Bolzer uses the term "rape" in a very abstract, classical sense. More conservatively than even the Bible, in a lot of cases.

The way that it is worded can very easily appear as though it is taking something awful that is forced onto someone, and comparing it to unrequited love. That's what I MEANT to say by lightly.


In The Archer, he's talking about how he loves battle in spite of the grievous life he must live because of his dedication to it. The rape is how War, as if a cruel mistress, is treating him harshly. His is the injury, his is the heartstrings that are being broken. Is that what you meant?

Edited December 19th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

could it have been something in the video description rather than the song/video itself? or the account?


All the description had in it was links to the official shops and a tracklisting.

Posted December 19th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

What the fuck are you talking about???


inflammatory religious

inflammatory is a bit vague and it seems kind of stupid to specifically put religious there, but ya with what youtube's standards are this probably falls under inflammatory religious content even if it is only loosely connected. Perhaps I missed some more concrete bits but that's probably what happened. That or something like the lyrics I had to use google translate on which say "Predatory adultery with phosphorus", in which case adultery being called "predatory" or whatever similar word was actually used to describe it could also technically be seeing as inflammatory religious content. My guess is someone was offended as soon as they heard rape used lightly.

As well as things like this "Her quiver brings
The furious rape
Of my heartstrings"

As long as it's in the same song, it can be interpreted as inflammatory religious content, according to youtube.

That sentence was only there to establish that religious themes existed, not that they were offensive on inflammatory in and of themselves. still don't buy that you didn't know that though.

I keep pointing to things that are actually inappropriate. Bolzer uses the term "rape" in a very abstract, classical sense. More conservatively than even the Bible, in a lot of cases.



In The Archer, he's talking about how he loves battle in spite of the grievous live he must live because of his dedication to it. The rape is how War, as if a cruel mistress, is treating him harshly. His is the injury, his is the heartstrings that are being broken. Is that what you meant?


No I meant what I said. And if you expect youtube to understand what that actually meant then I have to also wonder why you refused to understand what I actually meant AS an enforcing moderator yourself. It can easily be interpreted that way, so does it matter?

Edited December 19th, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

No I meant what I said. And if you expect youtube to understand what that actually meant


I expect people to understand what it actually says instead of a random, incorrect interpretation of it.

Posted December 19th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

I expected the same of you as well, but that is not simply a random interpretation. It would be rather easy for someone to look at that part of it alone or just hear it out of context and it believe it is about unrequited love.

This is just speculating anyway though. We don't even know why it was marked as this.

Edited December 19th, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

It would be rather easy for someone to look at that part of it alone or just hear it out of context and it believe it is about unrequited love.


If that is true, why does it matter?

Anyway, I posted on Bolzer's Facebook page asking if they have any information on it. If we could actually pin down a specific cause, this will actually turn into something. YouTube likes to cloak a lot of its moderation behind vagueness, though.

Posted December 19th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

There have been a whole lot of somethings when it comes to youtube. I wouldn't even bother. The best you'll get is all of the popular youtubers calling it out, youtube ignoring it, and then everything goes on as it was.

Posted December 19th, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I mean we can turn this into a conversation that goes somewhere instead of just wondering and speculating.

Posted December 19th, 2017 by nullfather
nullfather

Oh. Right. That'd be swell then.

Posted December 19th, 2017 by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium
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