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Voting on unbans and maybe bans? Also the ability to submit appeals so either staff can see the appeal or the appeal can be public
depending on the circumstance
Posted: Posted August 30th
Edited August 30th by Grey Echelon
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Since some people are apparently so worried about bans because they fear we'll never give people another chance, I propose the ability for a banned user to submit an appeal either where only the site's staff will see or make it public so that the general public can decide if it is worth having them back or maybe even both at once. I understand if the voting on bans seems like dangerous territory though so feel free to ignore that part if you don't like it but the unban idea may be a decent idea.

Also probably should make it so that they have to wait a while to appeal their ban like a few days or a week or maybe more. Maybe even allow more than one appeal.

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no to voting on bans

Posted August 30th by poptart!
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Voting on unbans (maybe after half the sentence if it is particularly long) = I'd be fine with it.

Voting on bans = no way.

Edited August 30th by Fox Forever
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Socrates died to prove how bad this idea is

Posted August 30th by Brocken Jr.
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Posted August 30th by The Bandit
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Being able to appeal bans makes sense.

Appeals with some kind of popular vote attached makes some sense as well, provided it isn't binding.

Voting on bans, meanwhile, no.

Posted August 30th by Xhin
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Ground's what's around

Users have basically always had wide latitude to appeal their bans. Either to Xhin directly, or via 100+ reply complaints posts where everyone has a bad time. Gtx0 has never had the "banned for 10,000 years for disrespecting a moderator, no appeals" culture that other message boards tend to have.

A user's popularity should have no bearing on the validity of their ban, so I'm completely against the idea of voting a ban away.

Posted August 31st by Count Dooku
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Socrates died to prove how bad this idea is

no


I made this request to appease people who initially seemed to disagree with me and others but alas, here is further proof that you can't please everyone. Oh well.

Users have basically always had wide latitude to appeal their bans. Either to Xhin directly, or via 100+ reply complaints posts where everyone has a bad time. Gtx0 has never had the "banned for 10,000 years for disrespecting a moderator, no appeals" culture that other message boards tend to have.


Doesn't make it a bad idea regardless. Also, from my understanding the banned person has no way of actually trying to appeal the ban themselves beyond simply contacting Xhin at least that's the only obvious way I know of. Could be wrong but otherwise a person has to do it for them and that isn't always assured.


Appeals with some kind of popular vote attached makes some sense as well, provided it isn't binding.


Up to you I guess.

A user's popularity should have no bearing on the validity of their ban, so I'm completely against the idea of voting a ban away.


This falsely assumes that it has to be based on popularity and not a user's judgement which actually kind of implies you think low enough of the userbase to where they wouldn't vote according to what they believe is truly deserved or not deserved. No offense but there is no absolute reason to believe they would vote on popularity alone. No more reason to believe that the large number of gtx0 staff wouldn't make decisions based on who is popularity anyway.



Edited August 31st by Grey Echelon
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Whattup fam. I guess I'm back so here are my two cents from my experience with modminning different groups/servers.

An appeal process should be done on a modmin/offender contact list only with maybe a few points of reference brought in from both sides but...

Only after (at bare minimum) a month post ban and preferable 3-months post ban.

Bare minimum 30 days because cooler heads prevail and it gives both sides to chill out and assess the situation.

3-months preferable because it gives the user time to show growth and maturity in a situation and the potential for not being a repeat offender.



Posted August 31st by Ghowilo
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Ignoring whether or not people would vote properly (not everyone would and you should be familiar enough with your own community to realise this), I think you need to consider how such a feature would undermine your moderators.

I should also note historically we've seen evidence that such a system wouldn't work. When one person gets banned but another doesn't and a large group rally behind the person who did.

No more reason to believe that the large number of gtx0 staff wouldn't make decisions based on who is popularity anyway.


Aside from the fact that there's supposed to be a level of trust as part of their role? If you don't trust all of your moderators to be impartial then you should review who your moderators are.

Mods are expected to be impartial even when they hate someone.

Posted August 31st by Moonray
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(not everyone would and you should be familiar enough with your own community to realise this)



See: "No more reason to believe that the large number of gtx0 staff wouldn't make decisions based on who is popularity anyway. " besides I think enough very well may regardless.

Simply put while neither users or mods can be trusted, adding this layer to that may just make things a bit more fair. Or at the very least it could show what the pubic thinks like Xhin suggested which SHOULD matter at least somewhat.

Aside from the fact that there's supposed to be a level of trust as part of their role? If you don't trust all of your moderators to be impartial then you should review who your moderators are.


We didn't choose who they are for the most part.

Mods are expected to be impartial even when they hate someone.


Definitely not true and we've seen multiple examples of this, but let's try not to get into this more that we have to. It became relevant to the topic when it was brought up as a rebuttal but I'd rather not have to get into another round of that kind of shit.

I should also note historically we've seen evidence that such a system wouldn't work. When one person gets banned but another doesn't and a large group rally behind the person who did.


If the ban was already questionable or if the ban happened but someone who did something similar didn't get banned then there is already a problem anyway. Again don't want to get into it but, this way may turn out better than what we're currently doing at least.

Edited August 31st by Grey Echelon
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