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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

"Fear is the foundation of most governments." - John Adams

"My family is more important than my party." - Zell Miller


https://www.voanews.com/a/donald-trump-deploy-troops-mexico-border-thwart-immigrants/4330929.html


WHITE HOUSE —
Troops are to be dispatched to the U.S. border with Mexico to thwart further illegal immigration, President Donald Trump told reporters Tuesday.

"We are preparing for the military to secure our border between Mexico and the United States," said Trump at a news conference alongside leaders of three Baltic countries.

Trump said a meeting was to be held "in a little while" with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and others to discuss the plan.

"I think that it's something that we have to do," the president said in response to a question from a reporter at the afternoon event in the White House East Room.

The Pentagon responded to Trump's plan to use military to guard the borders:

"We are still consulting with the White House,” a senior defense official said, promising more information."

Two of Trump's predecessors — George W. Bush and Barack Obama — sent National Guard units to provide intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance support for border patrol agents.

It is not immediately clear whether Trump intends to dispatch the National Guard, which is a reserve military component composed of members or units from the individual states and territories, or regular military forces.

An opposition Democratic Party senator, Brian Schatz of Hawaii, who serves on the defense subcommittee of the Senate's appropriations committee, quickly criticized the idea, stating on Twitter that "Our military has more important things to do than to be mobilized to fulfill" a campaign promise of Trump's.

In the United States, the active-duty military is generally restricted from domestic law enforcement functions, which would include capturing people who have come across the borders.

At the news conference, the president also spoke of a "caravan" of more than 1,000 migrants from Central America that has been making a 2,000-kilometer (1,200-mile) journey from the Mexico-Guatemala border to the United States. He has mentioned the procession several times on Twitter in recent days, vowing that it must be stopped.

In the past several days, the caravan has been mentioned numerous times on the Fox News Channel, which is Trump's preferred source of broadcast news.

Those in the caravan "thought they were going to just walk right through Mexico and right through the border" into the United States, Trump said. Trump praised a quick response from Mexico, who he said was acting to ensure it is "all being broken up."

Mexico has reportedly offered refugee status to some of the migrants.

Trump earlier had warned Mexico that its free trade agreement with its northern neighbor would be jeopardized if it did not stop the caravan before it reached the U.S. border.

Securing the southern border was a centerpiece of Trump's platform during his 2016 campaign for the presidency, and something he mentions frequently.

"The Mexican border is very unprotected by our laws," Trump asserted Tuesday. "We don't have laws. We have catch and release. You catch and then you immediately release. And people come back years later for a court case, except they virtually never come back."

Trump has continually emphasized the need for a border wall — which on Tuesday he said must be "700 [1,127 kilometers] to 800 miles [1,287 kilometers] long." He previously has demanded that Mexico pay for the wall, but that has not been emphasized recently by Trump in public remarks.

"We need the wall. We've started building the wall, as you know," said Trump, adding that $1.6 billion has now been appropriated by Congress toward "building the wall and fixing the existing wall that's falling down or was never appropriated in the first place."



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Obama and Bush did it with the national guard iirc. They only provided intelligence and surveillance.

Posted April 3rd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Why is Trump preparing to invade Mexico?

Posted April 4th by Psygnosis
Psygnosis

Why is Trump preparing to invade Mexico?


I wish.

Posted April 5th by nullfather
nullfather

Hopefully this doesn't have to happen. The protesters will likely back down to the national guard, but really if theure going to march over the border despite practically being threatened with death, it will be bad for everyone, but there is no way the president can send a message to the world that being angry is a justification for invading the United States.

Posted April 6th by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

¡No Bueno!


¡Trump no debe invadir el Taco!

Posted April 6th by Q
Q
 

I wish.

Hey poptart, is null that one other unnamed poster you had somewhat suspected of being a crypto Nazi or at least having sympathies?

Posted April 6th by pacman
pacman
 

Hey poptart, is null that one other unnamed poster you had somewhat suspected of being a crypto Nazi or at least having sympathies?


I've openly talked about being a nationalist before. Nothing about nationalism requires or even implies Nazi sympathies.

Posted April 6th by nullfather
nullfather

I don’t mean to offend you, null. I’m just genuinely curious who poptart thinks is going crypto-Nazi, as he specifically mentioned it in a previous thread.

Posted April 6th by pacman
pacman
 

No offense taken. I think that pop is aware of what I said, though, so I was just responding to suggest that it probably isn't me.

Posted April 6th by nullfather
nullfather

"Hey poptart, is null that one other unnamed poster you had somewhat suspected of being a crypto Nazi or at least having sympathies?"

nah. i was actually thinking of dr. doom. he repeats alt right talking points often enough. i didn't really want to say it because i'm not 100% sure about him and didn't want to make any strong accusations.

Posted April 6th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Ah, that makes sense. Doom doesn’t really seem like he’s here to subtly persuade anyone though imo. I was thinking you might have been referring to null due to his nationalism and avatar (though invading Mexico obviously goes well beyond nationalism lol).

Personally, while I sort of consider myself a patriot, I consider nationalism to be a bit outdated, pointless and potentially dangerous in an inevitably globalizing world. At the same time, I’m disappointed and a bit enraged that the rapid, reckless globalization we’ve seen politically and economically leaves so many people behind and seems to largely serve the interests of the powerful, with shockingly little resistance from supposed leftists and socialists. Same goes for the automation revolution. I think Hawking put it best when he basically said it would either lead to utopia or hell, and that we are trending toward the latter.

Edited April 6th by pacman
pacman
 

and avatar


I have that avatar (and the same symbol on my vest) for personal reasons, not racial reasons. However, many might say that my ideas about marking boundaries and use of Germanic symbols qualifies me as a Nazi anyway, despite the fact that I was completely innocent of the knowledge that certain Nazi divisions also appropriated the symbol.

Posted April 6th by nullfather
nullfather

"I consider nationalism to be a bit outdated, pointless and potentially dangerous in an inevitably globalizing world."

i agree. while i can understand and in some ways respect the logic behind nationalism, it's definitely something we should have moved past by now.

"At the same time, I’m disappointed and a bit enraged that the rapid, reckless globalization we’ve seen politically and economically leaves so many people behind and seems to largely serve the interests of the powerful, with shockingly little resistance from supposed leftists and socialists."

>tfw when both globalism and nationalism only serve the interests of the powerful

global capitalism is one of the most disgusting things in this world imo.

"Same goes for the automation revolution. I think Hawking put it best when he basically said it would either lead to utopia or hell, and that we are trending toward the latter."

as long as poor people are viewed as "lazy" or lacking in morals, automation is going to lead to the worst "genocide" (class-icide?) that this planet has ever seen. imo

"I have that avatar (and the same symbol on my vest) for personal reasons, not racial reasons."

i have a nordic symbol (horned triskelion) tattooed on my wrist, so i'm not one to judge people for the symbols they use or the way they lace up their boots (although those things can be good indicators of a person's politics)

Posted April 6th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Manifest destiny 2.0

Take Canada and Mexico.

Posted April 7th by #85
#85

Lmao

Posted April 7th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

It's part of the "Faustian Spirit" the European man posseses.

Posted April 7th by #85
#85

only a true degenerate would trade his soul to the devil. You might be onto something.

Posted April 7th by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

Lmao 85, are you seriously lending credence to nonwhites who say whitey is the devil?

“But whataya expect, hey, come on, this is a war-like country, we come from that northern European, basically the northern European genes, the blue eyes, those blue eyes... Boy everybody in the world learned real quick, didn't they - when those blue eyes sail out of the north, you better nail everything down, motherfucker. Nail it down, strap it down, or they'll grab it. If they can't take it home they'll burn it. If they can't burn it they’ll fuck it. That's what happened to us.”

- George Carlin


Posted April 7th by pacman
pacman
 

The Faustian urge in our race-soul says to us: “Thou shalt not rest or be content, no matter what thy accomplishments. Thou must strive all the days of thy life. Thou must discover all things, know all things, master all things.”

European man’s Faustian urge is quite different from the urge in the Levantine soul to accumulate, to possess, the craving to pile up money beyond all reason, the lust for personal aggrandizement. And it is, of course, antithetical to what might be called the mañana spirit of the Latin peoples, which says to them: “Enjoy life. Don’t hurry. You don’t need to know what lies beyond the next ridge.”

It is the source of both our basic restlessness as a race and our basic inquisitiveness. It is what makes adventurers of us, drives us to risk our lives in ventures which can bring us no conceivable material benefit—something which is totally foreign to other races, accustomed to judging everything according to its utility only.

It is the Faustian urge which has made our race the pre-eminent race of explorers, which has driven us to scale the highest mountains in lands inhabited by men of other races who have been content to remain always in the valleys. It is what, more than intellect alone, has made us likewise the pre-eminent race of scientists—especially in those days before the practice of science became a well-paid profession. It is what sent us to another world and has us now reaching for the stars

- Dr William Pierce


Posted April 7th by #85
#85

You already fought and lost a war buddy. If the U.S. ever attempted to invade Canada or Mexico it would end in failure. Just like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.


But by all means keep spewing this nonsense lol.

Posted April 7th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

It would be interesting to see if Nato would actually defend us. Canada has one of the best trained militaries in the world, but it's not even a tenth the size of America's and we don't have nukes so I'm not really sure what we'd do if an invasion happened.

Probably call up Putin and ask him for an alliance. lol

I don't think Nato would have the balls to defend us from the US.

Posted April 7th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

It would be another vietnam thats for sure. A conventional army wont do much against a Guerrilla Force.

And thats in Mexico and Canada alone. The number of sympathizers in the United States willing to take up arms against such a stupid measure would stop said measure in its tracks.

Posted April 7th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Invading Mexico and Canada would be the dumbest mistake in American history. We would steamroll over them but we don't really have two better allies, and not to mention they physically separate us from our existential threats. It would be frivovolous and damaging on so many levels. That is also why I really, really hope these protestors go home. I don't want America to have to shoot them, but it is what would have to happen if they force their way over the border.

Idk what you're on about with Canada, they care more about enforcing our laws more than we do sometimes




Posted April 8th by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

I don't want America to have to shoot them, but it is what would have to happen if they force their way over the border.

I'm pretty sure the penalty for illegally crossing the border isn't death. And not even the Trump administration would want that scene playing on the news.

Posted April 8th by Count Dooku
Count Dooku

the nazis stole those symbols from indian relgions , they are not even germanic symbols to begin with

Edited April 8th by Brandy
Brandy

I'm not entirely sure who brandy is addressing and at tbis point I'm too afraid to ask.

Posted April 8th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

I'm pretty sure the penalty for illegally crossing the border isn't death.

I know, though if the protestors aren't above using violence to make their point, which is a very real possibility, the worst case scenario may play out.

Posted April 8th by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

the nazis stole those symbols from indian relgions , they are not even germanic symbols to begin with


Assuming that Brandy is following up the discussion of the wolfsangel and triskelion:

The wolfsangel is absolutely a Germanic symbol. Even if that symbol appears in other cultures (which I am unaware of, if it does), that does not mean that there was any appropriation. There is such a thing as parallel development - especially with relatively simple geometric symbols.

As far as the obvious one goes: the hakenkreuz is not a swastika. Nazi apologists who attempt to sell the symbol as a Third Reich as simply another use of an ancient symbol of prosperity are being intellectually dishonest.

Posted April 8th by nullfather
nullfather

Invading Mexico and Canada would be the dumbest mistake in American history.

Look at who Canada elected. It would be liberating them.

Posted April 8th by #85
#85



Posted April 8th by Q
Q
 

Keeps screaming that democracy is under attack by the left


wants to violently remove democratically elected leaders from power


Seems legit.

Posted April 8th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

I'll make the case for nationalism, tbh - it's deeply unsafe to undermine nation-states as a concept while capitalism governs, because as it is nation-states would only be supplanted by corporate states who would be worse. Governments have at least nominal responsibility to the well-being of their citizens; unbound corporations wouldn't even have to pretend that they care.

Posted April 8th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

it does look up jainism if you want, but it can be entirely conicidental that they just happened draw a similar symbol like you said, or german colonalist could of seen it beforehand and copied it.

Posted April 8th by Brandy
Brandy

The swastika is also a Native American symbol, Navajo, Hopi.



The TRUE Meaning Of The SWASTIKA & Its 12,000 Years Of History 2 minutes 44 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaTKCTFWOb0

Posted April 8th by Psygnosis
Psygnosis

The protestors apparently gave up in light of the prospect of military presence on the border.

Posted April 9th by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

It would be interesting to see if Nato would actually defend us.

The US is effectively NATO, so I imagine in the event of the US completely upturning the charter by invading a member state, it'd be a moot point by then.

There's been a few times when the US intervened in Commonwealth realms which were eventually overlooked. Grenada comes to mind.

Posted April 10th by Arch
Arch
 

An emotional response to the killing of U.S. marines thousands of mioes away.

Posted April 10th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 
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