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Top 3 sitcoms
Posted: Posted December 30th, 2018
Edited December 30th, 2018 by S.o h.

I've seen each series in their entirety at Least twice.

3. Brooklyn 99 (a new season is in the works)

2. Malcom in the Middle ( a classic, as a kid I obviously identified with the Malcom and in his siblings as an adult I identify with his parents) ((it was hard for me to accept that Bryan Cranston, aka Hal, a man more or less who I consider one of the goofiest characters ever created and a good father to boot, could turn around years later and play one of those cunning of anti heroes (???) Ever portrayed in media.


My #1 spot goes to Seinfeld

This show is nothing short of incredible. Great characters, absurd situations, extremely quotable. I just finished my re watch of the series. Not sure how many times that makes it but its a must watch.


Please note Malcolm and Brooklyn 99 are the most accessible Seinfeld can be a bit outdated at times.


How I met your mother and Friends are worth mentioning but I am seeing that the general consensus is that it is popular to hate on both shows.

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Time has the tendency to change things. Friends is still a great show, but it was behind the curve on gays, where Will and Grace was more forward.

My list is a bit different:

1 - The Simpsons. It's extremely ambitious for a sit com, often venturing into filmic territory, but the mix of satire of American life with TV comedy and drama done right, The Simpsons shot its way to the top as a classic and a cultural icon in its first 8 seasons. Now... well, yeah, maybe not anymore.

2 - I Love Lucy. It's simple, but effective: club owner Ricky Ricardo keeps having to put up with the crazy antics of his housewife (and real life) Lucy as she dreams of a more fabulous life in show business. The pairing with their loyal friends the Mertz's, this show is a true icon of American television and a shining example of classic comedy done well.

3 - Parks and Recreation. An exaggerated comedy of inner-city government that made Chris Pratt a household name and Ron Swanson a meme, this is more than just The Office on steroids. Unfortunately some of the political references are dated and it doesn't work quite as well today, but how many of us wish this show continued with Trump in office? The deadpan, exaggerated style of humor is standout and distinctive.

Honorable mentions (in no particular order): Grace and Frankie, The Good Place, The Golden Girls, The Andy Griffith Show, The Cosby Show (however tainted the real-life individual now may be).

Posted December 30th, 2018 by mariomguy

Chris Pratt a household name

this is a bit of a stretch. I feel that GOTG made him a household name. Outside of reddit he was still a nobody imo until Guardians blew up.

Posted December 30th, 2018 by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

You kidding? He was on talk shows just for Parks and Rec!

Posted December 30th, 2018 by mariomguy

Nope. Just because he was on talk shows does not make him a household name at that point in time. Guardians of the Galaxy propelled his career and made him a house hold name imo.

Posted December 30th, 2018 by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

Well, maybe because I loved the show and know a ton of people who loved it, and I saw him on talk shows, yeah.

Posted December 30th, 2018 by mariomguy

I posted this on the wrong sub



Posted December 30th, 2018 by s.o.h.
s.o.h.
 

Oof. I definitely am going to have to recognize some relative recency bias, in the sense that I tend to prefer modern shows to older ones. (I think that almost no sitcom from the '90s is worthwhile except for Seinfeld, which I don't really even like that much, but I recognize what it was doing and how influential it was.)

My favorites would probably go like this:

3. Arrested Development

What is there to say? If you're into the painfully awkward and uncomfortable situational comedy, there's almost nothing better. Though consistency kind of dipped in the Netflix years, the show remains one of the funniest, most memorable, and most painful ever to see television airwaves.

2. Parks & Rec

It's sort of refreshing to see a show built on the idea that positive energy can be infectious. It's funny, poignant, and it injected a much needed sense of optimism to a television landscape largely consumed by dark and "gritty" TV programs. Many sitcoms feature a number of jaded folks, but Parks & Rec largely avoided that. Even the libertarian king Ron Swanson himself caught Leslie Knope's positivity throughout. Plus, it's funny as hell (even if the Tom Haverford stuff kinda...feels a little shittier now.)

1. Community

I am admittedly incapable of looking at this show completely objectively, because it is the only show that has ever felt like it was specifically designed for me. The meta-humor, the media references, the silly and surreal sense of humor, the touching heart that exists within all of that. This is one of those rare pieces of media where it almost feels like it "gets me." I know this is a pretty personal take (although I do think that the show's humor is great and the structure of almost every episode is genuinely top notch - they simply didn't and still don't make live action sitcoms like that), but losing Community was like losing a friend. I feel Dan Harmon has been kind of excellent creating stuff to connect people who largely feel isolated or weird in the best ways.

Posted December 31st, 2018 by Jet Presto

"Old sitcoms":

1. Seinfeld
2. Roseanne
3. All in the Family

"New sitcoms":

1. Arrested Development
2. The Office
3. Parks & Recreation

Cartoon sitcoms:

1. Simpsons
2. Family Guy
3. King of the Hill

Posted December 31st, 2018 by Agis
Agis
 

Parks & Recreation.

Posted December 31st, 2018 by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
Formerly KM8

No love for it's always sunny in philadelphia?

Posted December 31st, 2018 by Xhin
Xhin
Nature is beautiful

I'm gonna copy Agis' setup but also add my own:


"Old sitcoms":

1. Seinfeld
2. Cheers
3. Family Matters

"New sitcoms": (Holy crap I actually completely agree with this one)

1. Arrested Development
2. The Office
3. Parks & Recreation

Cartoon sitcoms:

1. Archer
2. F is for Family
3. King of the Hill

Britcoms:

1. Red Dwarf
2. Fawlty Towers
3. The IT Crowd

Posted January 2nd by Fox Forever

I started watching the community as of yesterday. I finally understand decades old references.

I will add The Office and Parks and Rec to my list (Ive never seen the former and saw up to the first season of the latter years ago)

Posted January 2nd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Parks and Rec is consistently good while The Office gets good for seasons 2-7 (with a dip in season 6 imo)

You left off on Parks and Rec when it starts to get good. After Season 2 it mostly hits gold and once Rob Lowe and Adam Scott come in it is just wonderful. They're both great characters.

Posted January 2nd by Fox Forever

Sounds about right. I dropped the show because up until that point I was bored out of my mind.

Iirc I dropped it in favor of watching breaking bad. Looking back I made a good choice.

Edited January 2nd by S.o h
S.o h
 

That's a good choice imo. BB is a great show.

Posted January 2nd by Fox Forever

The Office is great. The first season is definitely weak, and completely ripped off the original British version. Once you get past that, though, it hits a stride and it's great.

Parks and Recreation is kind of similar, but very unique in its own way. Really good too, and like FF said it's a bit more consistently good than The Office (which kind of loses its purpose and the characters succumb to flanderization).

However, after finishing P&R, I haven't yet felt the need to watch it over. With the Office, which is on for like, 6 hours a day on Comedy Central, I still enjoy watching it.

2. F is for Family

I'm happy to see you giving Bill Burr's show some love! It's a great show, even if I wouldn't put it that high myself.

Posted January 2nd by Agis
Agis
 

However, after finishing P&R, I haven't yet felt the need to watch it over.

I think it's because the way the show ends it feels like everything is wrapped up very neatly. It's like not wanting to spoil the ending. I also haven't gone back and rewatched it yet. I last saw an episode like 4 years ago. Honestly it might have been since the finale.

It's a great show, even if I wouldn't put it that high myself.

There's something about the 70s setting and the way more than dysfunctional family that really sells it for me. It's like if King of the Hill had mental issues.

I would put Bojack somewhere on the list but honestly it feels like less of a comedy and more of an animated drama with comedy situations. I think we need more animated shows that have less comedy because it feels like that's the only niche it can be in unless it's anime.

No love for it's always sunny in philadelphia?

If I could add Sunny it would be number 4 or 5 tied with Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Posted January 2nd by Fox Forever

You left off on Parks and Rec when it starts to get good. After Season 2 it mostly hits gold and once Rob Lowe and Adam Scott come in it is just wonderful.


I've rewatched Parks and Rec, like, quite possibly over 50 times. Maybe even more. But I always skip season 1, and almost always start on the episode where Lowe and Scott join.

EDIT: Season 3 might be favorite, if anyone's asking.

Edited January 2nd by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
Formerly KM8

I guess I'll also begrudgingly admit that I like The Office. (As a P&R fan I feel a rivalry with anyone who says The Office is better. Occasionally some of the writing is legitimately better, but P&R is far more important to me on a thematic/tonal level – i.e., positivity, friendship, other corny stuff that gets me through hard times).

Community would make my list as well, though I have a couple complaints with it. The complaints are minor insofar as they are small aspects of the show, but major in the sense that I experience the discomfort a bit intensely. I'd go into specifics but I'd feel kind of vulnerable doing that, and I'm just not in the mood.

Posted January 2nd by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
Formerly KM8

That's a good choice imo. BB is a great show.

Yep! One of my all time favorites. I think that will be another thread for another time. But admittedly my top 5 list would consist of a couple of marvel shows, BB, and god knows what else.

Posted January 2nd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

The Community

Ive only seen the first two episodes. The show is pretty spot on when it comes to peoples perceptions of the community college system.

When I was going through it my self I felt the exact same way. But looking back at my academic career, I can say it was one of the best choices I've ever made. The most intelligent people I know went through the Community College system. (Im the exception it seems) And depending on the subject, we hard some pretty high class professors. (Perks of having a UC in our backyard)

Posted January 2nd by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

Personal favorites are The Inbetweeners (probably by far), I guess It's Always Sunny (but not the most recent seasons). I thought some episodes of Extras and The Office were pretty funny. There are also hilarious moments in Eastbound and Down, but watching the whole show is a bit much. I'm forgetting some for sure.

"Most influential" (modern) are probably Seinfeld, The Simpsons, The Office, Friends, maybe the middle seasons of South Park. I do think some of South Park is funny; peaked a long time ago though. Never really watched Seinfeld (in general can't really get into older shows as the pacing and humor are somewhat different), never thought Friends was funny (though haven't watched much of it either).

"Most grammy-able" are probably Parks & Rec, Community, Arrested Development, 30 Rock. Not to be "that guy" but I found Community and 30 Rock a little too ABC Family-ish in terms of the sense of humor. Feel the same way about Brooklyn 99, How I Met Your Mother, and The Good Place. Parks & Rec was a little too mushy/preachy for me at times. Personally don't really like love stories and things like that w/ these types of shoes unless they really add to the comedy. I'm sure most people would argue that the best sitcoms have a perfect balance of plot & comedy, but for my own tastes I much prefer comedy>continuity per se.

I Love Lucy gives me figurative heartburn.

If anyone has any recommendations please let me know.

Posted January 2nd by Ophelia

I kinda feel like the US "The Office" just becomes mind-numbingly bad once Jim and Pam get together. To me, that was the sole heart of the show for the first three seasons. I'm apparently alone in finding Michael and Dwight to be awful plot-centers, as they were such annoying assholes that it was hard for me to ever feel sympathy for them. This was more an issue with Michael through the whole show (they *desperately* want you to feel bad for Michael, even though his an offensive asshole completely incapable of actually recognizing the feelings of people around him), but they give a number of moments for Dwight. And I just...can't...sympathize with people like that. It's crazy to me that they keep wanting me to. So when the show tries to move the heart to Dwight and Angela, or Michael and whoever, it just loses the soul of it. It became just about the jokes, which were still often generally funny. But the comedy meant little once - to me - I couldn't give a shit about any of the characters. They tried late to introduce some drama with Jim and Pam, but it was really contrived and everyone knew they would sort it out.

So my take is that The Office is only good for the first three seasons.

I still really like the first season of Parks & Rec, but it's sort of similar in the sense that while the jokes are really good, none of the characters really stand out as worth caring too much about yet. When they start to figure it out in season 2, everything just gets exponentially better because the jokes are still top notch, but now you actually kind of care about everyone.

Posted January 3rd by Jet Presto

Jet Presto is the Toby of Gtx0.

Posted January 4th by Agis
Agis
 

I caught the Modern Warfare episode of the community...

Easily my favorite episode so far. I am enjoying this, it goes down like a smooth cigar but some/ most of the references are out of date. Which is no fault of the show. (Considering it came out in 2009?) But I am enjoying it all the same. From what Ive seen so far I would not put it on a top 3 list but the potential is there as I am still on season 1.

I do have a question though. When they introduced Buddy were those scenes shot separately? The video editing is horrid and for 70%% of the episode they never show buddy in the same frame with the rest of the cast. I am going to assume that the character who played buddy (not gonna say the actors name because spoilers) had to do the majority of the scenes separately do to their filming schedules and cost of having that actor on the show.

This was the case with Samuel L Jackson on agents of shield.

buddy as a character was complete trash though. Comparable to anime filler really.


Edited January 7th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

See, the thing about Community's references is that they were sort of "out of date" at the time of the show either. It's not exactly like a Pulp Fiction reference or a My Dinner With Andre reference or a Fistful of Dollars reference or a The Wire reference were timely in 2009. The show is ultimately by cinema and television nerds. They reference all the media they love, which includes older works. (I actually can't think of too many "modern" references Community makes throughout its entire run. Even their video game episode was specifically in the style of retro, SNES-era video games.)

But the references work because they are - on the most part - referencing films and shows generally considered classics, or that are still largely thought of fondly by fans of the mediums.

As for Buddy: shooting Buddy kind out of frame from the rest of the cast was part of the gag. He does share the frame on occasion, but largely he isn't a long-lasting character. His arc is about using the study group as a launching pad to another group, so he himself is not fully committed. His purpose for the study group was to show how blind they are to the others in their class (that's why the "flashback" gags that separately insert Buddy into the preceding episodes.) And then on the more meta-front, they are sort of playing a trope common in television, which is retroactively applying new characters. (Scrubs also did this with Heather Graham's character in Season 4, for example.)

I think this is sort of why Community doesn't really resonate with a wider audience. If you only really watch television on a surface level, or aren't really into the deeper artistry of these mediums, it's easy to feel like something like Buddy is just a filler character. The show sort of banks on its audience being as obsessed with television and cinema as they are. And not a ton of people are. Enough are that it found a base and managed to survive for six seasons (would like that movie, to be honest - maybe once the Russo brothers are done with Marvel). But Buddy is anything but filler in that episode. He gets his own arc, serves as a reflection of the study group, and also reflects a common television trope and uses it as the base for jokes.

Posted January 8th by Jet Presto

Jet Presto is the Toby of Gtx0.


I'm just saying what *I* think. Not telling anyone that they shouldn't or can't like it!

(That said, Michael's treatment of Toby always made me uncomfortable. I'm not a big fan of mean-spirited humor. Jerry is slightly different in Parks & Rec in that he gets moments to show that he's above it all, whereas Toby is often depicted as being kinda sad about the incessant bullying. But even then, I find the Jerry stuff makes me uncomfortable as a source of comedy. I just can't get into the human punching bag comedy, I guess.)

Posted January 8th by Jet Presto

Idk man it was a pretty trash episode

Posted January 8th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

I'm just saying what *I* think. Not telling anyone that they shouldn't or can't like it!

Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun or exciting, you make it not that way. I hate so much about the things that you choose to be.

Posted January 8th by Agis
Agis
 

(above was a reference, obvs)

About Jerry, though. Another thing about his treatment was that everybody in the department made fun of him, not just treated him badly out of irrational hate. And they did it to get laughs.

And of course, the upside to Jerry was that he had an extremely talented side (if he's out of the spotlight), especially for his art.

The "murinal" bit was probably my favorite part of Parks & Rec

Posted January 8th by Agis
Agis
 

Ha, I got the reference. I wasn't crazy about the Office post season 3, but I did watch it!

And yeah, that's a good point about Jerry, too. And I think also that it was *everyone* that made fun of him too. Like, with Toby, it's really primarily Michael Scott, who is a sexist, racist, narcissistic asshole undeserving of sympathy, when you really boil it down. So it's hate just for the sake of it, but from a person that isn't...very likeable really. And has few redeeming characteristics. Whereas everyone in the Parks & Rec crew has something.

But, I also do understand that this is a brand of humor many seem to like. Comedy more than most things are entirely subjective.

Posted January 8th by Jet Presto

For me the difference between the soul-crushing Toby teases and the tolerable Jerry teases is that Jerry's life exists primarily outside of work, where he is quite possibly the most fundamentally happy and fulfilled of the group. Toby, on the other hand, seems to have nothing but loneliness and his meaningless detective novels outside of work.

Edited January 8th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
Formerly KM8

Also a fair point. Toby is kicking a man when he's down. Jerry can take it because he's got a lot going on. Thanks for validating me, gang!

Posted January 8th by Jet Presto

I love you JP! (just doing my homework)

Posted January 8th by Cetasaurus
Cetasaurus
Formerly KM8
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