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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

"Fear is the foundation of most governments." - John Adams

"My family is more important than my party." - Zell Miller


Meditate on this truth.

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Couldn't agree mroe.

Posted January 11th by tnu
tnu

i mean, not everything, but things would be better if a few things stopped existing

particularly, things in this direction ----->

Posted January 12th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but time is a flat circle and you're going to repeat your life an infinite amount of times.

Posted January 12th by Agis
Agis
 

Reincarnation? Don't make me laugh.

Posted January 12th by Dumb Clown You Dislike
Dumb Clown You Dislike
 

More like, time is "hell" and we're all going there :^)

Edited January 12th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

nope,same life,over and over.

Posted January 12th by Agis
Agis
 

Things would be a lot better if I had unlimited and ultimate power over everything.

Posted January 12th by nullfather
nullfather

"but time is a flat circle"

We got ourselves a Flat Timer here! Bring out the electric paddles!

Posted January 12th by Q
Q
 

Things would be a lot better if I had unlimited and ultimate power over everything.


Maybe for you. Otherwise I doubt that highly.

Posted January 12th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

What would one do with Unlimited power over everything?

Posted January 12th by Q
Q
 

Is it possible to learn about this power?

Posted January 12th by S.om.h.
S.om.h.
 

Everyone wants power, no one wants to be the one without it.

Posted January 12th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

What would one do with Unlimited power over everything?


Nothing. I would just stop. I would become at rest.

Posted January 12th by nullfather
nullfather

This is what I would do:



Posted January 12th by Q
Q
 

Then some of this:



And a whole lot of this:



Edited January 12th by Q
Q
 

Nothing. I would just stop. I would become at rest.


Even if that's the case then everything is still shit for everyone else.

Edited January 12th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium



Posted January 12th by nullfather
nullfather

You forgot:



Posted January 12th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

Yes I did forget that.





Edited January 12th by Q
Q
 

broken emoji


Just saying, you said everything would be better if you had all that power but it wouldn't.

Posted January 12th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Yeah, it would.

Posted January 12th by nullfather
nullfather

Almost forgot this:



Posted January 12th by Q
Q
 

Yeah, it would.


I don't know what kind of deep hidden meaning you meant that original post to convey, but doing literally nothing doesn't sound like it would help much.

Posted January 12th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Just 10?



Posted January 12th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever



Posted January 12th by Q
Q
 

why do u feel this way clown

Posted January 12th by Brandy
Brandy



Posted January 12th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

I would stop suffering, which would reduce the net amount of suffering overall.

In addition, me having unlimited and ultimate power means that reality would have to be structured in such a way as to place me at its apex. All values would have to be aligned to me, meaning that I and "the good" would be one, regardless of how it was. So yes, everything would be better no matter how you look at it.

Posted January 12th by nullfather
nullfather

This is what I would do:

I can't tell what part of that's more compelling: that I'd have a woman on each arm or that I'd have become William T. Riker. Then again, one goes with the other so there's really no way to lose.

Posted January 12th by Famov
Famov

Who doesn’t like Riker? Even Worf loves him:



Edited January 12th by Q
Q
 

Fixed.

Edited January 12th by Q
Q
 

nope,same life,over and over.

Yeah but you get to live everyone else's lives too before that happens again

Posted January 13th by Xhin
Xhin
 



Posted January 13th by Q
Q
 

Q had the best responses to this post without a doubt.

Posted January 13th by Moonray
Moonray
 

Q had the best responses to this post without a doubt.


Disagree, especially since I don't even get the references since I've never bothered to watched that!

Posted January 13th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

If you ever watch anything to do with Star Trek: The Next Generation... The Q episodes should be a priority :)

Posted January 13th by Moonray
Moonray
 

"Q had the best responses to this post without a doubt."

Thanks.

"Disagree, especially since I don't even get the references since I've never bothered to watched that!"

Well that's really only your fault.

"If you ever watch anything to do with Star Trek: The Next Generation... The Q episodes should be a priority :)"

There isnt a single Q episode that isn't good.

Posted January 13th by Q
Q
 

If you ever watch anything to do with Star Trek: The Next Generation


Maybe someday. Never really saw a reason to get into Star Trek though.

Well that's really only your fault.


I mean I probably still would disagree for different reasons but.

Posted January 13th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Star Trek is probably my favorite TV show. I'll sit down and watch it any time. Especially in hotels or hospitals. I'll just find whatever channel is playing Star Trek (usually BBC America) and leave it on that forever.

It's the most legit mainstream sci-fi that I've ever seen. It deals with politics, ethics, humanity, moral choices and weird science. If you ever wonder why there's such a deep divide between Star Wars fans and Star Trek fans, a lot of it is due to the fact that Star Trek is legitimate sci-fi and Star Wars is fantasy that happens to be set in outer space. They're very different things, but a lot of casuals equate them because they both have space-ships and aliens.

Posted January 13th by nullfather
nullfather

It's the most legit mainstream sci-fi that I've ever seen


That isn't saying much imo. Most mainstream scfi from what I know is garbage.

Star Wars is fantasy that happens to be set in outer space


That may be true if all you saw was the movies.

It deals with politics, ethics, humanity, moral choices and weird science


Which doesn't inherently make it terribly amazing but whatever. I can't speak for it. I'm sure it has to be great in it's own ways but different strokes different folks ect. Star Wars can get pretty deep into these things as well outside of the movies.

Edited January 13th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I agree with that assessment nullfather.

The only star trek that is hard to jump into if you haven't been watching it from the beginning is DS9. Still a great show though.

Posted January 13th by Q
Q
 

That isn't saying much imo. Most mainstream scfi from what I know is garbage.


Of course. In fact, Sturgeon's Law was coined in reference to the quality of science fiction writing. However, that's irrelevant. I didn't say it was "decent for mainstream sci-fi". I said that it's the best I'd ever seen. We're not talking about the majority, here.

Posted January 13th by nullfather
nullfather

Well regardless keep in mind what I said it's fine to like Star Trek but you kind of assumed that Star Wars is just shit because of the movies from what I can tell. Though I do get the mentality I guess.

Posted January 13th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I have often wondered who would win in a fight between a Star Destroyer and the Enterprise.

I also think that a simple Shuttle from star trek could blow up the death star.

Edited January 13th by Q
Q
 

I also think that a simple Shuttle from star trek could blow up the death star.


What makes you think that?

Posted January 13th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Depending on the Type of shuttle being used, they can be configured to have Shields, warp engines, transporters and Phasers. A Type-6 or a Type-8 Shuttle craft with proper configuration could warp in, fly into the exhaust tunnel from the 2nd deathstar and blow it up that way. For the 1st Death star a single torpedo could be carried in it's cargo bay and when armed be transported onto the Deathstars core. Something like this was done in startrek Voyager to a Borg ship and they blew it up by mistake.

Posted January 13th by Q
Q
 

Most mainstream scfi from what I know is garbage.

i agree. thats because they're remakes or sequels i.e star wars, star trek. they need to come up with new material like passengers that was really food

Posted January 13th by Brandy
Brandy

Well regardless keep in mind what I said it's fine to like Star Trek but you kind of assumed that Star Wars is just shit because of the movies from what I can tell.


Not even a little. What I said is that Star Wars is stylistically different. I am and have been someone who appreciates the space-age interpretation of the monomyth (even as much as Lucas eventually ruined it with the lackluster prequels and as much as it's being turned into serialized mass-manufactured product by Disney) and I continue to watch the new ones in theater. It is substantially different from Star Trek, however, and I would say that Star Trek deals with more philosophically complex themes and situations. As such, I value it more than Star Wars, which I watch for emotional mystical drama.

I have often wondered who would win in a fight between a Star Destroyer and the Enterprise.


From the evidence that I've seen, it's pretty conclusively in favor of Star Trek. Their tech is so much more advanced that it legitimately makes Star Wars space battles look like the World War II dogfights that they were modeled after by comparison.

Posted January 13th by nullfather
nullfather

i meant to say good not 'food'. lol it wont let me edit. also i take that back ffxii was a good star wars remake

Posted January 13th by Brandy
Brandy

Well a premise of a ship with passengers that is being hunted for food does sound like an episode of star trek.

Posted January 13th by Q
Q
 

What I said is that Star Wars is stylistically different


Didn't sound that way but okay I suppose. They do seem quite different in many ways, however what you mentioned is exactly stuff that I could find in even clone wars series or a handful of books.

Edited January 13th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Didn't sound that way


The way you perceive things is unique.

Posted January 14th by nullfather
nullfather

It's really not at all. People who have nothing against what they're talking about usually don't make such a big deal out of how they aren't comparable while ALSO saying things like "a lot of it is due to the fact that Star Trek is legitimate sci-fi and Star Wars is fantasy that happens to be set in outer space" which very much says one is legitimate and the other is simply... in space. How then am I supposed to not read that in a non-negative light? Not only that, as a bonus "but a lot of casuals equate them because they both have space-ships and aliens." doesn't help either.

Also you're a rather elitist piece of shit sometimes remember, so there's that to keep in mind. Don't mistake your own nature and your wording for my lack of ability to perceive properly. People make mistakes all of the time, sure. I make mistakes. But this is not an instance where I can be so easily blamed. And don't think I don't know exactly what you're trying to imply in saying that, I've known you long enough to know better. In fact I wouldn't be too surprised if you're pretending to not know what gave me that impression in the first place. You're either incredibly lacking self-awareness right now or you're fucking with me.

Edited January 14th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

Seriously though you can fuck right off with that. You never cared to know me or why I came to think the way I do. When have you ever truly cared about anyone beyond where they benefit you or make you feel all nice anyway? It must be nice to look down on SO MANY people though while thinking yourself as so much better even if you say otherwise. At least I can admit to myself I'm really flawed at times.

Edited January 14th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

To be fair though Star Wars isn't "legitimate" sci-fi... Even Lucas himself refers to it as Space Opera (play on the term soap opera). It's got elements of sci-fi but it has a different focus.

While Star Wars does sometimes delve deeper into the things null listed it doesn't really get that into it and if it does it's often as a backdrop for some kind of character moment/development...

By contrast Star Trek has given us entire episodes dedicated to politics, moral choices, etc, that just uses the characters as props to do so.

I think a good example of this is a Deep Space 9 episode where the lead character starts poisoning worlds in order to capture a terrorist and prevent a war with another nation... By the end of the episode the lead character hasn't learned a lesson from this nor has he become any darker (he's always been a loose cannon). But the audience and the "villain" are left questioning the morality of it all.

If that were in Star Wars the focus would have been on how the events affected the lead character. Did he come to regret his actions? Did he become a bit more evil? Etc.

That's not to say sci-fi like Star Trek doesn't also deal with characters, any good story has To, but it's also willing to let other things take the forefront.

Similarly Space Opera can dabble in anything, but it's usually as a means to help progress a character or show how it affected them.

Posted January 14th by Moonray
Moonray
 

Even Lucas himself


Well he's wrong. Which is far from the first time really. It's literally sci-fi regardless of what he wants to call it. Pretty sure that's not what Null meant anyway.

While Star Wars does sometimes delve deeper into the things null listed it doesn't really get that into it and if it does it's often as a backdrop for some kind of character moment/development...


You're probably not looking hard enough or underthinking it. That or you're rather forgetful.

I think a good example of this is a Deep Space 9 episode where the lead character starts poisoning worlds in order to capture a terrorist and prevent a war with another nation... By the end of the episode the lead character hasn't learned a lesson from this nor has he become any darker (he's always been a loose cannon). But the audience and the "villain" are left questioning the morality of it all.


Wow. That sounds.

Kind of lame. And it also sounds like exactly the kind of thing I would see in Star Wars outside of the movies! Grey morality and such is all well and good but it doesn't make something great by default or make it unique. I think you have a bias here for whatever reason. This certainly exists in Star Wars well enough.

Similarly Space Opera can dabble in anything, but it's usually as a means to help progress a character or show how it affected them.


That really doesn't matter. Like at all. It only matters if you can't take away your own meanings and interpretations, hence why people would argue in real life that the sith are actually the good guys.

Edited January 14th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

You're probably not looking hard enough or underthinking it. That or you're rather forgetful.


Implying the fault for not finding it is mine rather than providing a real counterargument or an example?

I think you have a bias here for whatever reason.


Lol no. I love Star Wars. I've watched all the shows and movies. Read a lot of the books. Played at lot of the games. Roleplayed within the universe.

With Star Trek I just enjoy watching it.

Perhaps you should try deconstructing my reply with actual thoughts instead of trying to deligitimise it by claiming I'm biased?

That really doesn't matter. Like at all. It only matters if you can't take away your own meanings and interpretations, hence why people would argue in real that the sith are actually the good guys.


Yea and you can do that with anything. The difference is in what the media is trying to do as opposed to what you personally take from it.

Also the Sith are blatantly portrayed as dicks in most of Star Wars, Vader is one of the very few with any actual complexity to him.

Posted January 14th by Moonray
Moonray
 

Implying the fault for not finding it is mine rather than providing a real counterargument or an example?


I'm pretty sure I've seen it in Star Wars before. However, I did not say that I would know exactly where to look. And frankly I don't think it was always about the progression of a character either, for instance in the clone wars I recall there were quite a few moments where it just seemed more like shit was happening and no one was growing for it in a rather similar way to what you described.

I love Star Wars.


Hence why I said "for some reason". Not all biases come because you prefer something else. In this case I think you merely have a bias in opinion, not against the show. That may not have made complete sense but that's probably because I have become insomnia

Perhaps you should try deconstructing my reply with actual thoughts instead of trying to deligitimise it by claiming I'm biased?


I haven't watched star trek and I don't keep examples in mind but I know what was there. So I can't, but I know what was there.

Yea and you can do that with anything. The difference is in what the media is trying to do as opposed to what you personally take from it.


Seems like a fairly irrelevant distinction to me though. Especially when the same basic thing is happening except some character grows from it or some shit often. It doesn't seem to matter.

Also the Sith are blatantly portrayed as dicks in most of Star Wars, Vader is one of the very few with any actual complexity to him.


Doesn't stop people from arguing that their reign can be ultimately better.

Edited January 14th by KnokkelMillennium
KnokkelMillennium

I think a good example of this is a Deep Space 9 episode where the lead character starts poisoning worlds in order to capture a terrorist and prevent a war with another nation... By the end of the episode the lead character hasn't learned a lesson from this nor has he become any darker (he's always been a loose cannon). But the audience and the "villain" are left questioning the morality of it all.

Sisko is the man. Eddington can take his self righteousness and shove it.

Behind the spoiler tags are clips of some of the better back and forth between the two. I realize this spoils the best moments of these episodes and so if anyone is interested in Deep Space Nine and wants to encounter these scenes organically I strongly recommend not watching them.



And since we were just talking about Q:



There's a part of me that wants to say Picard was the best captain. I've been a TNG guy all my life, but the older I get the more I appreciate Sisko.

Edited January 14th by Famov
Famov

Sisko is the man. Eddington can take his self righteousness and shove it.


I think the beauty of it is that neither of them was entirely right or wrong. I find it extremely hard to pick a side out of the two of them because of that.

There's a part of me that wants to say Picard was the best captain. I've been a TNG guy all my life, but the older I get the more I appreciate Sisko.


Picard was the best when it came to upholding what the Federation stood for and for me that makes him my favourite, but there is definitely an appeal to the fact that Sisko is the man you'd go to if you wanted to be absolutely sure the job would get done :P If I ever doubt my answer, it's always a toss up between those two. The other Captains don't figure into it.

Posted January 14th by Moonray
Moonray
 
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