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Spider man Far from Home
Posted: Posted July 3rd by S.O.H.
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I caught this one today. I absolutely loved it. It is my favorite Phase 3 movie and one of my top 5 MCU movies. Spoilers below:



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Just got back from seeing it. I usually need some time (and a second viewing) to fully process my thoughts on a film, but my initial impression is that I loved it. I'd be a little surprised if it wound up in my own personal top 5 MCU films, but there was a lot to like here.



Posted July 3rd by white lancer
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Edited July 3rd by S.O.H.
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Edited July 4th by white lancer
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I was just thinking to my self what the next mcu movie would be and honestly didn't know loo

Posted July 4th by S.o.h.
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I just can’t wait to see endgame on DVD

Posted July 4th by Brandy
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Based off of the filming/casting information we have, it sounds like we can be pretty confident that Black Widow is next, early in 2020. The second 2020 film is a little unclear, but we know it's not going to be Black Panther 2 or Guardians 3 since production/writing on those isn't far enough along yet. Most of the speculation I've seen has pointed to The Eternals being the likely culprit, but it could be Doctor Strange 2 or even Shang-Chi, both of which I'd much prefer.

We're actually entering a strangely empty season as far as overall MCU stuff goes. Now that Far From Home has dropped, there's six episodes of Agents of SHIELD left and that's probably it for the rest of 2019. Compare that to the end of last year, which saw Marvel drop new seasons of Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Daredevil, and Runaways, while the first half of this year had three movies along with new seasons of Punisher, Jessica Jones, Cloak and Dagger, and the beginning of SHIELD. Kinda strange the way they spaced that all out, since they had plenty of material they could have reserved for fall and winter. Makes me wonder if they planned to "go dark" for a while after Endgame and before Disney+ drops, or if they had planned for more Netflix seasons and were just caught off-guard by the cancellations. They're certainly not pulling back on the TV side of things, since they have all of these Disney+ shows coming and just announced Ghost Rider and Helstrom. Just kinda weird that unless one of those Disney+ shows is farther along than we thought or we get a new season of Runaways that they're leaving this void.

Posted July 4th by white lancer
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are any of those shows actually good? Luke cage has been a pretty cringey mess. Agents of shield got really weird with the season where they went into the future. Iron fist was shit. Punisher season 2 was bad. The only good show was daredevil and its 3rd season made up for how awful season 2 was.

Posted July 4th by s.o.h.
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They're certainly inconsistent. Most of the Netflix shows suffer from being a few episodes too long, which means they need to pad them out a bit. I'd qualify most of them as being good, but not great, with a few seasons (Daredevil S1 and 3, Jessica Jones S1, Punisher S1) as being actually great, and a few being pretty bad (Iron Fist S1, Defenders, Punisher S2). Iron Fist's second season was a big improvement on the first, which admittedly is a low bar, but still. Both of Luke's Cage's seasons land pretty solidly in the "fine" camp for me, as do the second and third seasons of Jessica Jones and the second season of Daredevil (that one struck me as much better on a rewatch--I think it stood out as bad at the time because it was a letdown from the previous Netflix stuff, but the Punisher stuff at least is truly excellent). I'm gonna have to disagree with you on SHIELD's season involving the future, as I thought that one was excellent (and only surpassed by its fourth season involving Ghost Rider and LMDs). I think Cloak and Dagger's first season was pretty good, with the second season being a little more inconsistent, and Runaways is fine but a bit too teen-soap opera for my tastes.

Posted July 4th by white lancer
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Ya know, I was pretty "meh" about Homecoming, but I actually really had a great time with Far From Home! There are still things about this version of Spider-Man I'm not super into, and they're very present in the film, but it's pretty clear to me that Tom Holland really carries the role well. I really do think that each actor in the mask did really well for the films they were in and what they were going for, but Holland just seems so earnest and happy to be there that it really just comes off.

I loved the Mysterio stuff. I'm not entirely sure why people are acting like the "reveal" was a big twist, or why we are expected to not talk about it because it's a spoiler. I mean, I know they *sometimes* deviate from the source material, but I can't really think of any character that they literally changed from long-time villain in the comics (and literally every piece of media) to sudden hero in the films. (Not counting characters whose source material arc involves going from villain to hero or anti-hero, a la Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch or the Punisher.) So it's been kinda silly to me the way everyone is acting like this was a big twist or the "reveal" was actually a "reveal" and not literally the plot that was reliably predictable from the moment they announced Mysterio was going to be in it. (Sometimes this "spoiler" hype machine drives me bonkers. I *really* don't think it's a spoiler to say that the long-time Spidey villain is a villain in the new Spider-Man movie, and I think we've all lost our minds if we think that is.)

But yeah, Jake Gyllenhaal was great. Loved him, and the way he played off of Holland. I loved the costume! I loved the visuals! It pretty much surpassed my expectations of what they would do with the character. And it was great.

I'm pretty down on Spider-Man love interests. (MJ isn't really much of a character in most Spider-Man stories, and Gwen was really never anything but a plot device to motivate Peter, though I did enjoy Emma Stone's take on her in the Amazing series.) Zendaya as a sort of dark, awkward teenage MJ is kinda great, though. (It's funny that I've never found MJ interesting in anything ever until last year's Spider-Man PS4 and then this year's Far From Home.) I thought she was funny, and had a kind of awkwardness that I think matched up well with Peter's. I thought Zendaya and Holland actually did well together, given that this romantic plot thread kinda just comes out of nowhere specifically for this film. Like I don't really think they planted those seeds very well in Homecoming. So it's kinda sudden and it just starts with him being like, "I really like her, man!" to Ned. I guess they had to outright say that because we had no reason going into the film to think that was the case. But I enjoyed them!

Really, I just thought it was a lot of fun. Not all the humor landed for me, but I do recognize that these Spider-Man movies tend to aim a little bit younger in terms of their target demographic. Thought it was visually cool. The action was good. To me, the character relationships felt a lot more organic, generally, than its predecessor. And, ya know, I was worried about it all taking place outside New York, but it worked out pretty well. Kinda enjoyed the road trip aspect of it in the end.

But...I kinda just can't get around the Tony Stark stuff. And so I guess I need to get into spoilers a bit. But it highlights some stuff about MCU Peter Parker that I don't tooootally love. Not necessarily saying it's bad, just that I'm not into it myself.



But yeah, all that said, I really did just have a lot of fun with it. Didn't love everything. But it's gotta be up there in the live action Spider-Man movies. I generally don't enjoy the stories that they appear to be building towards with the post-credits scene, but I think I'll see anything with Tom Holland at this point.

Posted July 19th by Jet Presto
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I'm pretty down on Spider-Man love interests. (MJ isn't really much of a character in most Spider-Man stories, and Gwen was really never anything but a plot device to motivate Peter, though I did enjoy Emma Stone's take on her in the Amazing series.) Zendaya as a sort of dark, awkward teenage MJ is kinda great, though. (It's funny that I've never found MJ interesting in anything ever until last year's Spider-Man PS4 and then this year's Far From Home.) I thought she was funny, and had a kind of awkwardness that I think matched up well with Peter's. I thought Zendaya and Holland actually did well together, given that this romantic plot thread kinda just comes out of nowhere specifically for this film. Like I don't really think they planted those seeds very well in Homecoming. So it's kinda sudden and it just starts with him being like, "I really like her, man!" to Ned. I guess they had to outright say that because we had no reason going into the film to think that was the case. But I enjoyed them!


Yeah, Zendaya really got short shrift in Homecoming. I remember seeing her all over the advertising for that film, so I was surprised at how little she was used in the actual film (whereas the actual love interest of that one was a lot less prominent in ads). There were hints that she had a thing for Peter in Homecoming, but nothing close to explicit, and there wasn't really any indication that Peter had anything for her at all. They couldn't really lay much groundwork for Peter/Michelle in that film because they had committed to Liz (and there was definitely no room to explore Pete's love life in the Avengers films), so there wasn't much they could do to get us to the starting point of this movie unless they wanted to push the teen romance off until the next one. Given that, they were great together, and really believable. My pipe dream was that MCU Peter would somehow come in contact with Shuri (Holland and Wright seem like they would play off each other fantastically), but Zendaya's MJ is awesome enough in her own right and obviously far more realistic.

Re: Tony:



But yeah, I think the whole EDITH thing was the one big concern I had about the film. Everything else was pretty solid.

Posted July 26th by white lancer
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Given that, they were great together, and really believable. My pipe dream was that MCU Peter would somehow come in contact with Shuri (Holland and Wright seem like they would play off each other fantastically), but Zendaya's MJ is awesome enough in her own right and obviously far more realistic.

Spider Man: HoMe WrEcKeR



Posted July 26th by S.O.H.
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Wait. Zendaya isn't Mary Jane?

Posted July 26th by Jet Presto
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I mean...kinda? They called her Michelle throughout Homecoming, which I guess was probably just their way of hiding that she was going to be the MCU's version of MJ (and to avoid distracting the audience from the Peter-Liz relationship, I suppose). She seems like basically a different character, with the name being merely an homage to the classic comic character, which I'm cool with. As you said, I didn't care at all about the Mary Jane character until I played through the Spider-Man PS4 game, as she was a pretty awful character in the Raimi films.

Posted July 30th by white lancer
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As you said, I didn't care at all about the Mary Jane character until I played through the Spider-Man PS4 game, as she was a pretty awful character in the Raimi films.

I rewatched the first 2 movies this weekend. She is not that terrible. A little bit derpy sure but not that bad.

I found it interesting that in a span of 2 and a half years she bounced around 3 different relationships before settling for Peter. She almost married a guy too. I personally cant imagine getting married in less than a 2 year time frame of courtship. but this is neither here or there.

Posted July 30th by S.O.H.
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I think everyone was the right amount of camp for the Raimi films.

The thing I find really annoying about Zendaya as not "MJ" but as a new "MJ-equivalent" is I think that's a really shitty message to send. I'm a little sick of how frequently they just make up a new character when adapting or relaunching and they maybe want to change something like race, gender, or sexuality. I know, I know: annoying SJW alert: but I think it's annoying that they can't just cast a mixed-race actor in the classic character of Mary Jane Watson because - as the idiot gatekeeping nerds will rage - SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN WHITE IN THE COMICS! But so many of these characters, especially the white, secondary characters, race is literally irrelevant. Mary Jane doesn't *need* to be white. So I kinda just find it irritating that they can't just cast anyone in the role of Mary Jane Watson, a long-time, important character in Spider-Man lore. Instead, if they want to cast Zendaya, they have to make something up.

And yeah, Michelle is different in characterization than past versions of Mary Jane, but so what? They made her different in personality in the Ultimate Universe, but didn't feel the need to come up with a brand new character that is "MJ-adjacent" for that. She's different in the Raimi universe than in most of the comics. They literally changed her career and personality for the PS4 game.

It's kinda like, I don't really get why they have to keep creating new characters if they want to relaunch a series but change some aspect. They can't relaunch Spider-Man to have an mixed race Peter Parker; they have to create Miles Morales. And yeah, that worked, but I'm a little annoyed with the gatekeeping. I think it sucks essentially sending the message that only white people can be Peter Parker or Mary Jane.

Posted July 31st by Jet Presto
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Kinda think you're putting too much emphasis on the specific name here, tbh. As I said, it's more than likely they named her "Michelle Jones" in the MCU to a) preserve the surprise of her being MJ and b) not distract audiences from the Peter-Liz plot. I imagine a lot of people would have seen MJ in the film and figured that the Liz romance was doomed from the start, and thus not invested in it. But she is the MCU's version of MJ--I mean, I don't think they call her anything else throughout Far From Home. The representation factor of it--the fact that Peter Parker's girlfriend is African-American--matters way more than whether she's "Mary Jane" or "Michelle Jones" IMO. I also, like, don't see anything wrong with changing the name of a character when you change literally everything else about her--you effectively have created an entirely new character at that point and slapping an old name on her simply makes her that character in name only. It also comes with something of an unfortunate implication if you do that with a female character, because then you're sorta implying that she's entirely defined by the man she's dating and that all of her other characteristics are extraneous and interchangeable.

Posted August 2nd by white lancer
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I don't understand this obsession with making traditionally white characters black/ insert race here. I rather have a new character with said background.

But hey that's just me.

Posted August 3rd by S.o.h.
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They should of made peter Parker African American.

Posted August 3rd by Brandy
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