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Has anyone here seen it yet? I intend to see it this week before the showings stop. Nearly every review I have heard on it was fair to positive, but it is supposedly flopping in sales as a result of the fan backlash towards The Last Jedi.

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I personally put it down to the time of release (6 months after the last one, plus a different time of year the last several) as well as poor advertising. Can't say I really saw any TV ads for it. My and my group of friends are pretty big star wars fans and we almost completely forgot it was coming out.

Also wasn't that interested in a Han Solo prequel :P

As for the movie. On reflection it was ok, but that was it. Without getting in to spoilers.

Posted June 12th by Redack
Redack
Altname for Moonray

I personally put it down to the time of release (6 months after the last one, plus a different time of year the last several) as well as poor advertising. Can't say I really saw any TV ads for it. My and my group of friends are pretty big star wars fans and we almost completely forgot it was coming out.

I wouldn't care about the time of release myself, and several Star Wars movies were released at the same time of year. Supposedly they spent millions on ads, but you're right - I saw very little advertising for this movie compared to previous movies.

Also wasn't that interested in a Han Solo prequel :P

I keep hearing that, which is somewhat surprising considering that he has such a fan following. I mean some people want a Boba Fett film but not a Solo film? Fett wasn't even that prominent of a character.

Posted June 12th by Trever Leingod
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Also saw it late. The trailers never really captured my interest because A: I didn't think Han's backstory needed explaining and B: The actor they picked to play him never really seemed like Han (which was basically an impossible task for anyone).

But ultimately I enjoyed it. Its not one of the best Star Wars movies, but I don't think its one of the worst either.

I mean some people want a Boba Fett film but not a Solo film?

I think a Boba Fett film where we follow Boba Fett the whole time would be pretty hard to pull off. But if it was a Terminator 2 style thing where we're following one of his marks and every time Fett shows up he's just this unstoppable force that'd be pretty cool.

Edited June 12th by Count Dooku
Count Dooku

I think a Boba Fett film where we follow Boba Fett the whole time would be pretty hard to pull off. But if it was a Terminator 2 style thing where we're following one of his marks and every time Fett shows up he's just this unstoppable force that'd be pretty cool.

That's a pretty cool concept.

Posted June 12th by Trever Leingod
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I mean some people want a Boba Fett film but not a Solo film? Fett wasn't even that prominent of a character.

I think the fact that he wasn’t a prominent character is probably why people are hungry for more on him.

Posted June 12th by Ceta
Ceta
 

I want a Boba Fett film that's like, a straight-up slapstick comedy where Boba Fett is like a bumbling Mr. Magoo type character. And he is partnered with a droid that is dealing with crippling self-doubt.

Anyway, I don't think the negative response to SOLO was really about The Last Jedi (although the toxicity of an annoying size of Star Wars' fan base doesn't necessarily exclude that many idiots were doing that). But SOLO was plagued with production problems from the start. The director change didn't help it. Then there were rumors that Alden Ehrenreich wasn't performing well and needed an acting coach on set didn't make it seem all that much better.

On top of that, Han Solo was one of those characters that was always "cool" because we didn't totally know his backstory. It's sort of like...Wolverine in the first X-Men versus Wolverine in every X-Men movie since. The more mysterious his past, the more interesting he was. And given that he was a main character in the original trilogy, we sort of already know where his arc ends. It feels a little pointless. It would have been better to make a movie about Lando to be honest; not just because of Donald Glover's pop culture relevance right now (and that he is genuinely a good actor), but because Lando isn't really a character that people super gravitated towards in the original. Like he's cool and everything, but he's sort of not that essential to the plot, and he's just sort of there to be cool.

As for the film itself, it doesn't help that it's...fine? I guess? I think it's easily the worst Star Wars film since Revenge of the Sith. To me, the production woes were totally noticeable in the way the tone seems horribly inconsistent and certain characters fluctuate in writing a lot (a result in a change of directors). There were too many pointless action sequences, mixed with too much time wasted to explain minute details that don't matter.



And holy shit are there too many action sequences. Seriously, there's like, 15 minutes of plot in the entire film, but 2 hours of endless action sequences that have no real stakes, don't push the plot forward, and don't provide character beats. There are things to like about the film, but it is largely just...not that good. Word of mouth does have an impact on ticket sales.

It's also funny that it's being panned as a "flop." Film grossed $101 million in its opening weekend. Yes, I know they expected more. Yes, I know it is the lowest Star Wars opening weekend (which I still think has more to do with the apparent quality and production woes). But what are these standards where $100+ million is a "flop"? It's so weird.

Edited June 13th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

You might spoiler some of that Jet. I don't think Trever has seen the movie yet.

Posted June 12th by Count Dooku
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Posted June 12th by weid man
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Anyway, I don't think the negative response to SOLO was really about The Last Jedi (although the toxicity of an annoying size of Star Wars' fan base doesn't necessarily exclude that many idiots were doing that). But SOLO was plagued with production problems from the start. The director change didn't help it. Then there were rumors that Alden Ehrenreich wasn't performing well and needed an acting coach on set didn't make it seem all that much better.

Rumors are always just rumors to me. I can't speak for virtually anyone else but none of that would remotely push me from seeing it. I heard Rogue One had tons of reshoots but that didn't stop me from seeing that either.

It would have been better to make a movie about Lando to be honest; not just because of Donald Glover's pop culture relevance right now (and that he is genuinely a good actor), but because Lando isn't really a character that people super gravitated towards in the original. Like he's cool and everything, but he's sort of not that essential to the plot, and he's just sort of there to be cool.

As far as I know, Donald Glover is only a pop culture big shot right now because of the "This is America" MV, which was only released several weeks before Solo. No way anyone could have known that was going to happen. I would not say Lando was unessential at all by the way- he was a core character for ESB and he blew up the second Death Star.

And holy shit are there too many action sequences. Seriously, there's like, 15 minutes of plot in the entire film, but 2 hours of endless action sequences that have no real stakes, don't push the plot forward, and don't provide character beats. There are things to like about the film, but it is largely just...not that good. Word of mouth does have an impact on ticket sales.

Word of mouth takes a few days to spread though and a lot of people were saying the premiere showings were super weak.

It's also funny that it's being panned as a "flop." Film grossed $101 million in its opening weekend. Yes, I know they expected more. Yes, I know it is the lowest Star Wars opening weekend (which I still think has more to do with the apparent quality and production woes). But what are these standards where $100+ million is a "flop"? It's so weird.

Probably because it said to be one of the most expensive films ever made and will need to gross at least $500 million to break even, not counting marketing costs. Not sure how that all pans out since it had a $250 million budget, but it's not raking anywhere near the cash that TFA did.

You might spoiler some of that Jet. I don't think Trever has seen the movie yet.

Nothing that spoiler-y there really. I actually saw an article shared on Facebook that spoiled something big in the title of said article, and it was like a day after the film was release: .





Posted June 13th by Trever Leingod
Trever Leingod

It's also funny that it's being panned as a "flop." Film grossed $101 million in its opening weekend. Yes, I know they expected more. Yes, I know it is the lowest Star Wars opening weekend (which I still think has more to do with the apparent quality and production woes). But what are these standards where $100+ million is a "flop"? It's so weird.


The last I had heard it was sat at a $50million loss, I think that was maybe a week ago so they may have made that money back.

It would have been better to make a movie about Lando to be honest


For sure and I found the Lando actor to be way better at his respective character than Han Solo's actor was.



Posted June 13th by Redack
Redack
Altname for Moonray

Rumors are always just rumors to me. I can't speak for virtually anyone else but none of that would remotely push me from seeing it. I heard Rogue One had tons of reshoots but that didn't stop me from seeing that either.


True, but the difference is Rogue One didn't have all the *extra* baggage that Solo did. Tons of reshoots is not always a sign of production woes given that almost every film does them. So even though people talked about them as a source of concern, it was hardly as much a red flag as director changes after shooting began and the main actor requiring an acting coach because he was bad.

These production rumors don't always totally damn a film, but they do tend to damper excitement for a film. It doesn't help generate hype, and can easily contribute to weaker opening weekends.



As far as I know, Donald Glover is only a pop culture big shot right now because of the "This is America" MV, which was only released several weeks before Solo. No way anyone could have known that was going to happen.


Sure, they couldn't have predicted the timing of "This Is America" with the release of Solo, but Glover is certainly not only a pop culture big shot because of that song and video. Easily the biggest source of excitement since the announcement of casting was Donald Glover as Lando. That was literally the ONE thing everyone was universally interested in. He's a big rapper, and he has one of the most critically acclaimed shows on television right now. And that all was true BEFORE he was cast.



I would not say Lando was unessential at all by the way- he was a core character for ESB and he blew up the second Death Star.


Unessential is not the right word on my part, but he isn't exactly as central as the main three. He's a "main peripheral" character, like the droids or Chewbacca. They are there and they are main characters, but the movies aren't about them the way that it is about Luke, Leia, and Han, really. Lando doesn't get anywhere near the kind of actual development that Luke or Han does, for example, because he's more of a peripheral character than a central one.



Word of mouth takes a few days to spread though and a lot of people were saying the premiere showings were super weak.


Right, but those production rumors are part of "word of mouth." Those really don't help a film's premiere that much. It takes special circumstances for production woes frequently reported have an impact that is completely negligible.

It didn't help that Disney decided to drop the film in a very, very crowded May/June. They tried to help it out by pushing up Avengers: Infinity War, but it's still a very crowded season. That also doesn't help its premiere numbers.



You might spoiler some of that Jet. I don't think Trever has seen the movie yet.


See, this is the thing I think is kind of hilarious. I literally didn't spoil any part of the plot. Nor did I spoil anything that actually matters. These are all details that don't matter to the movie at all. But because everyone gets so obsessed with these minute details, we're talking about them like they do.



Posted June 13th by Jet Presto
Jet Presto

True, but the difference is Rogue One didn't have all the *extra* baggage that Solo did. Tons of reshoots is not always a sign of production woes given that almost every film does them. So even though people talked about them as a source of concern, it was hardly as much a red flag as director changes after shooting began and the main actor requiring an acting coach because he was bad.

I feel so out of the loop, because like Redack said earlier, I saw barely any promotions or news about this film. Let alone such rumors to influence me wanting to see the film or not.

Sure, they couldn't have predicted the timing of "This Is America" with the release of Solo, but Glover is certainly not only a pop culture big shot because of that song and video. Easily the biggest source of excitement since the announcement of casting was Donald Glover as Lando. That was literally the ONE thing everyone was universally interested in. He's a big rapper, and he has one of the most critically acclaimed shows on television right now. And that all was true BEFORE he was cast.

Again, I feel out of the loop. I have never heard of Glover before the Lando casting.

It didn't help that Disney decided to drop the film in a very, very crowded May/June. They tried to help it out by pushing up Avengers: Infinity War, but it's still a very crowded season. That also doesn't help its premiere numbers.

I really am skeptic about the actual cause of why this movie is "flopping". I've heard the season and the rumors as the reason, and also others saying it's a result of the fan backlash for The Last Jedi. I was among the people that thought TLJ was a major slap in the face to the fans - far worse than anything the prequels managed - so perhaps I am biased in the cause of what it was, but personally, if I ever felt like I was not going to see this film, it certainly would have been because I had lost faith in Star Wars and nothing to do with the alleged rumors.

See, this is the thing I think is kind of hilarious. I literally didn't spoil any part of the plot. Nor did I spoil anything that actually matters. These are all details that don't matter to the movie at all. But because everyone gets so obsessed with these minute details, we're talking about them like they do.

Other people on this site (or elsewhere) must be super picky about any film details, because I didn't give a hoot about the details you divulged.

Posted June 14th by Trever Leingod
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