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Has anyone here seen it yet? I intend to see it this week before the showings stop. Nearly every review I have heard on it was fair to positive, but it is supposedly flopping in sales as a result of the fan backlash towards The Last Jedi.

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I personally put it down to the time of release (6 months after the last one, plus a different time of year the last several) as well as poor advertising. Can't say I really saw any TV ads for it. My and my group of friends are pretty big star wars fans and we almost completely forgot it was coming out.

Also wasn't that interested in a Han Solo prequel :P

As for the movie. On reflection it was ok, but that was it. Without getting in to spoilers.

Posted June 12th, 2018 by Redack

I personally put it down to the time of release (6 months after the last one, plus a different time of year the last several) as well as poor advertising. Can't say I really saw any TV ads for it. My and my group of friends are pretty big star wars fans and we almost completely forgot it was coming out.

I wouldn't care about the time of release myself, and several Star Wars movies were released at the same time of year. Supposedly they spent millions on ads, but you're right - I saw very little advertising for this movie compared to previous movies.

Also wasn't that interested in a Han Solo prequel :P

I keep hearing that, which is somewhat surprising considering that he has such a fan following. I mean some people want a Boba Fett film but not a Solo film? Fett wasn't even that prominent of a character.

Posted June 12th, 2018 by Trever Leingod

Also saw it late. The trailers never really captured my interest because A: I didn't think Han's backstory needed explaining and B: The actor they picked to play him never really seemed like Han (which was basically an impossible task for anyone).

But ultimately I enjoyed it. Its not one of the best Star Wars movies, but I don't think its one of the worst either.

I mean some people want a Boba Fett film but not a Solo film?

I think a Boba Fett film where we follow Boba Fett the whole time would be pretty hard to pull off. But if it was a Terminator 2 style thing where we're following one of his marks and every time Fett shows up he's just this unstoppable force that'd be pretty cool.

Edited June 12th, 2018 by Count Dooku

I think a Boba Fett film where we follow Boba Fett the whole time would be pretty hard to pull off. But if it was a Terminator 2 style thing where we're following one of his marks and every time Fett shows up he's just this unstoppable force that'd be pretty cool.

That's a pretty cool concept.

Posted June 12th, 2018 by Trever Leingod

I mean some people want a Boba Fett film but not a Solo film? Fett wasn't even that prominent of a character.

I think the fact that he wasn’t a prominent character is probably why people are hungry for more on him.

Posted June 12th, 2018 by Ceta
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I want a Boba Fett film that's like, a straight-up slapstick comedy where Boba Fett is like a bumbling Mr. Magoo type character. And he is partnered with a droid that is dealing with crippling self-doubt.

Anyway, I don't think the negative response to SOLO was really about The Last Jedi (although the toxicity of an annoying size of Star Wars' fan base doesn't necessarily exclude that many idiots were doing that). But SOLO was plagued with production problems from the start. The director change didn't help it. Then there were rumors that Alden Ehrenreich wasn't performing well and needed an acting coach on set didn't make it seem all that much better.

On top of that, Han Solo was one of those characters that was always "cool" because we didn't totally know his backstory. It's sort of like...Wolverine in the first X-Men versus Wolverine in every X-Men movie since. The more mysterious his past, the more interesting he was. And given that he was a main character in the original trilogy, we sort of already know where his arc ends. It feels a little pointless. It would have been better to make a movie about Lando to be honest; not just because of Donald Glover's pop culture relevance right now (and that he is genuinely a good actor), but because Lando isn't really a character that people super gravitated towards in the original. Like he's cool and everything, but he's sort of not that essential to the plot, and he's just sort of there to be cool.

As for the film itself, it doesn't help that it's...fine? I guess? I think it's easily the worst Star Wars film since Revenge of the Sith. To me, the production woes were totally noticeable in the way the tone seems horribly inconsistent and certain characters fluctuate in writing a lot (a result in a change of directors). There were too many pointless action sequences, mixed with too much time wasted to explain minute details that don't matter.



And holy shit are there too many action sequences. Seriously, there's like, 15 minutes of plot in the entire film, but 2 hours of endless action sequences that have no real stakes, don't push the plot forward, and don't provide character beats. There are things to like about the film, but it is largely just...not that good. Word of mouth does have an impact on ticket sales.

It's also funny that it's being panned as a "flop." Film grossed $101 million in its opening weekend. Yes, I know they expected more. Yes, I know it is the lowest Star Wars opening weekend (which I still think has more to do with the apparent quality and production woes). But what are these standards where $100+ million is a "flop"? It's so weird.

Edited June 13th, 2018 by Jet Presto

You might spoiler some of that Jet. I don't think Trever has seen the movie yet.

Posted June 12th, 2018 by Count Dooku

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Posted June 12th, 2018 by weid man

Anyway, I don't think the negative response to SOLO was really about The Last Jedi (although the toxicity of an annoying size of Star Wars' fan base doesn't necessarily exclude that many idiots were doing that). But SOLO was plagued with production problems from the start. The director change didn't help it. Then there were rumors that Alden Ehrenreich wasn't performing well and needed an acting coach on set didn't make it seem all that much better.

Rumors are always just rumors to me. I can't speak for virtually anyone else but none of that would remotely push me from seeing it. I heard Rogue One had tons of reshoots but that didn't stop me from seeing that either.

It would have been better to make a movie about Lando to be honest; not just because of Donald Glover's pop culture relevance right now (and that he is genuinely a good actor), but because Lando isn't really a character that people super gravitated towards in the original. Like he's cool and everything, but he's sort of not that essential to the plot, and he's just sort of there to be cool.

As far as I know, Donald Glover is only a pop culture big shot right now because of the "This is America" MV, which was only released several weeks before Solo. No way anyone could have known that was going to happen. I would not say Lando was unessential at all by the way- he was a core character for ESB and he blew up the second Death Star.

And holy shit are there too many action sequences. Seriously, there's like, 15 minutes of plot in the entire film, but 2 hours of endless action sequences that have no real stakes, don't push the plot forward, and don't provide character beats. There are things to like about the film, but it is largely just...not that good. Word of mouth does have an impact on ticket sales.

Word of mouth takes a few days to spread though and a lot of people were saying the premiere showings were super weak.

It's also funny that it's being panned as a "flop." Film grossed $101 million in its opening weekend. Yes, I know they expected more. Yes, I know it is the lowest Star Wars opening weekend (which I still think has more to do with the apparent quality and production woes). But what are these standards where $100+ million is a "flop"? It's so weird.

Probably because it said to be one of the most expensive films ever made and will need to gross at least $500 million to break even, not counting marketing costs. Not sure how that all pans out since it had a $250 million budget, but it's not raking anywhere near the cash that TFA did.

You might spoiler some of that Jet. I don't think Trever has seen the movie yet.

Nothing that spoiler-y there really. I actually saw an article shared on Facebook that spoiled something big in the title of said article, and it was like a day after the film was release: .





Posted June 13th, 2018 by Trever Leingod

It's also funny that it's being panned as a "flop." Film grossed $101 million in its opening weekend. Yes, I know they expected more. Yes, I know it is the lowest Star Wars opening weekend (which I still think has more to do with the apparent quality and production woes). But what are these standards where $100+ million is a "flop"? It's so weird.


The last I had heard it was sat at a $50million loss, I think that was maybe a week ago so they may have made that money back.

It would have been better to make a movie about Lando to be honest


For sure and I found the Lando actor to be way better at his respective character than Han Solo's actor was.



Posted June 13th, 2018 by Redack

Rumors are always just rumors to me. I can't speak for virtually anyone else but none of that would remotely push me from seeing it. I heard Rogue One had tons of reshoots but that didn't stop me from seeing that either.


True, but the difference is Rogue One didn't have all the *extra* baggage that Solo did. Tons of reshoots is not always a sign of production woes given that almost every film does them. So even though people talked about them as a source of concern, it was hardly as much a red flag as director changes after shooting began and the main actor requiring an acting coach because he was bad.

These production rumors don't always totally damn a film, but they do tend to damper excitement for a film. It doesn't help generate hype, and can easily contribute to weaker opening weekends.



As far as I know, Donald Glover is only a pop culture big shot right now because of the "This is America" MV, which was only released several weeks before Solo. No way anyone could have known that was going to happen.


Sure, they couldn't have predicted the timing of "This Is America" with the release of Solo, but Glover is certainly not only a pop culture big shot because of that song and video. Easily the biggest source of excitement since the announcement of casting was Donald Glover as Lando. That was literally the ONE thing everyone was universally interested in. He's a big rapper, and he has one of the most critically acclaimed shows on television right now. And that all was true BEFORE he was cast.



I would not say Lando was unessential at all by the way- he was a core character for ESB and he blew up the second Death Star.


Unessential is not the right word on my part, but he isn't exactly as central as the main three. He's a "main peripheral" character, like the droids or Chewbacca. They are there and they are main characters, but the movies aren't about them the way that it is about Luke, Leia, and Han, really. Lando doesn't get anywhere near the kind of actual development that Luke or Han does, for example, because he's more of a peripheral character than a central one.



Word of mouth takes a few days to spread though and a lot of people were saying the premiere showings were super weak.


Right, but those production rumors are part of "word of mouth." Those really don't help a film's premiere that much. It takes special circumstances for production woes frequently reported have an impact that is completely negligible.

It didn't help that Disney decided to drop the film in a very, very crowded May/June. They tried to help it out by pushing up Avengers: Infinity War, but it's still a very crowded season. That also doesn't help its premiere numbers.



You might spoiler some of that Jet. I don't think Trever has seen the movie yet.


See, this is the thing I think is kind of hilarious. I literally didn't spoil any part of the plot. Nor did I spoil anything that actually matters. These are all details that don't matter to the movie at all. But because everyone gets so obsessed with these minute details, we're talking about them like they do.



Posted June 13th, 2018 by Jet Presto

True, but the difference is Rogue One didn't have all the *extra* baggage that Solo did. Tons of reshoots is not always a sign of production woes given that almost every film does them. So even though people talked about them as a source of concern, it was hardly as much a red flag as director changes after shooting began and the main actor requiring an acting coach because he was bad.

I feel so out of the loop, because like Redack said earlier, I saw barely any promotions or news about this film. Let alone such rumors to influence me wanting to see the film or not.

Sure, they couldn't have predicted the timing of "This Is America" with the release of Solo, but Glover is certainly not only a pop culture big shot because of that song and video. Easily the biggest source of excitement since the announcement of casting was Donald Glover as Lando. That was literally the ONE thing everyone was universally interested in. He's a big rapper, and he has one of the most critically acclaimed shows on television right now. And that all was true BEFORE he was cast.

Again, I feel out of the loop. I have never heard of Glover before the Lando casting.

It didn't help that Disney decided to drop the film in a very, very crowded May/June. They tried to help it out by pushing up Avengers: Infinity War, but it's still a very crowded season. That also doesn't help its premiere numbers.

I really am skeptic about the actual cause of why this movie is "flopping". I've heard the season and the rumors as the reason, and also others saying it's a result of the fan backlash for The Last Jedi. I was among the people that thought TLJ was a major slap in the face to the fans - far worse than anything the prequels managed - so perhaps I am biased in the cause of what it was, but personally, if I ever felt like I was not going to see this film, it certainly would have been because I had lost faith in Star Wars and nothing to do with the alleged rumors.

See, this is the thing I think is kind of hilarious. I literally didn't spoil any part of the plot. Nor did I spoil anything that actually matters. These are all details that don't matter to the movie at all. But because everyone gets so obsessed with these minute details, we're talking about them like they do.

Other people on this site (or elsewhere) must be super picky about any film details, because I didn't give a hoot about the details you divulged.

Posted June 14th, 2018 by Trever Leingod

Not seen it which should surprise absolutely no one

Posted Very Early Yesterday by tnu
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I was among the people that thought TLJ was a major slap in the face to the fans


It's so strange to me that filmmakers trying to tell compelling stories and making good art is a "slap in the face to fans." Kinda makes me realize that fandom might actually inherently be detrimental to making *good* movies. I'm ok with people not liking The Last Jedi. Totally get it. But I don't understand the feeling that it was a "slap in the face of the fans." Why that attitude, over just simply, "I didn't like what they did"? Why is it that they specifically went out to fuck with you as a fan? I mean, Johnson clearly tried to subvert expectations (which I think is ultimately good because Star Wars as a film series had been far too safe to tell anything resembling a genuinely compelling story - so much of why the prequels don't work when it should is that Lucas got so bogged down on world building and the politics of the universe that he forgot to include actual focus on Anakin as a truly sympathetic character and, thus, make his downfall *actually* seem tragic rather than pre-destined). But I don't think that should count as a "slap in the face."

(Also, plenty of Star Wars fans liked it. I am certainly among that, thinking that nothing Johnson did deviated all that much from what had been set-up before. Like, I really wish fans would watch those films with a bit more than a shallow focus, because so much of what Johnson did takes directly from both the original trilogy [Luke as a curmudgeon self-exiled is literally a parallel to Yoda, and minus the attitude, Obi-Wan, the two masters who trained him] and the prequels [Luke admitting that the last thing he saw were the eyes of a scared boy whose master had failed him literally parallels Obi-Wan looking down at Anakin's burning body] And Luke struggling with control was something he *always* struggled with, including in his most "badass" stage at the end of Return of the Jedi. I don't really understand this idea that Luke should have just become this boring, one-dimensional Superman character who has mastered total control - something he had never done on screen before. How does that make a more interesting character or story? Like, again, I understand *not liking* the creative decisions. But I think Rian Johnson made a substantially better film than we would have gotten if it just catered to fan expectations. Indeed, I think the entire refutation of the Jedi order was long overdue [the prequels even sort of attempted to re-examine how we viewed the allegedly awesome, but turns out more problematic Jedi], and I think it was totally right to call out how boring it would have been - even if somewhat satisfying - to see a badass Luke Skywalker face down the entire First Order with his lightsaber [which he does in the end anyway, to much more thematic relevance than a generic action sequence]. So, like, I'm not sure where the feeling that it was a "slap in the face" comes from.)


Not seen it which should surprise absolutely no one


Not surprising. Although it in some ways felt like a film built for you, as its primary purpose was to explain continuity issues.


Posted Yesterday Evening by Jet Presto

I don't really like Harrison Ford and I thought this guy did a pretty good job if you take him out of that vacuum of expectation to be exactly like Ford.

Posted 2 Hours ago by I killed Mufasa
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We don't expect Brosnan or Craig to be like Connery. Should Han Solo just go extinct because his actor is old and refuses to play him again?

Edited 2 Hours ago by I killed Mufasa
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Also the fact that Rey is a Mary Sue through and through bothers me more than any political motives for having her be a sue. She hasn't earned her power. Not like Goku or Naruto or even Luke or Anakin.

Posted 2 Hours ago by I killed Mufasa
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Naruto

To be fair, a good chunk (if not all) of narutos power comes from the 9 tail beast. They even point this out in his fight against Neji. irrc he would have lost the fight if the the 9 tail beast hadnt use his power to overload his chakra flow. (irrc)

any who. This movie was hot trash. I regret spending my 3 dollars on renting it. (frog)

TLJ

Im going to be shitted on but this is easily my favorite Star Wars movie since Revenge of the Sith. Shit at this point they are the best Star Wars movies since A New Hope and the Empire Strikes back. imo.

Dont get me wrong they both have parts that are Hot garbage. (and most will say that revenge of the sith is hot garbage) but dam did I enjoy them. Cut out the rose and finn parts and TLJ is a decent movie with some eye candy action.

Posted 1 and a half Hours ago by S.O.H.
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Also the fact that Rey is a Mary Sue through and through bothers me more than any political motives for having her be a sue


This isn't really true, especially in terms of the technical meaning of the term "Mary Sue." It also ignores the entirety of The Last Jedi and relies on only observing elements of the Force Awakens. And even then, that was always going to be a tricky thing to tell given the Force Awakens was constructed as episodic, so we inherently had an incomplete story. It's hard to definitively say anything about a character when all you get is the first chapter. I mean, you literally cannot argue that she was a Mary Sue in any way in The Last Jedi.


Not like Goku or Naruto or even Luke or Anakin.


Anakin didn't earn his power either. He was *literally* a Messianic figure born from the Force. His strength was entirely natural. They barely even show any actual training in the prequels when you really get down to it. And that also sort of carried over into Luke as well. Vader even says it outright, "The Force is strong with this one." That alone implies Luke's power was innate. If you want to get into the nitty gritty of "training to use powers," that's one thing. But to argue that Rey's power is unearned but somehow Luke's or Anakin's were, that would require some mental gymnastics. Learning HOW to use a specific ability is different than the power that exists within a character.

Goku is sort of a mixed bag, too. Sure, we see him training a ton. It's nonstop. That gives the impression that his power is earned in a way that, say, Gohan's was not (since it is sort of just presented as genetic for him). At the same time, the text explicitly states that Goku is a special type of saiyan, a legendary occurrence that happens once every however many thousands of years or whatever. That implies a bulk of his power is genetic, or in other words, innate. Plus his breed: it's why Goku had superhuman strength even as a child. It was innate. So Goku is sort of a mixed bag. How much of it is earned and how much of it is innate? It's hard to tell sometimes, especially after some contrived saiyan form is created every so often explicitly for the purpose of suddenly allowing Goku to overpower his opponents. (Like, using the power he *earned,* he was unable to defeat Frieza. Using the power of the super saiyan, which was innate to him, is what allowed him to overcome.)

Can't speak to Naruto. Haven't seen any of that.

Cut out the rose and finn parts and TLJ is a decent movie with some eye candy action.


Cut out the Rose and Finn parts and you lose the central message and purpose of the film. I get why people found Canto Bight a slog (and it does border into prequel territory, for sure - I don't think it's necessarily all executed super well), but the Rose/Finn storyline is literally the most important plot thread for the film on a thematic level.



If it's not obvious, I loved almost everything about The Last Jedi, and I think it was hands down the best Star Wars film to date. Yes, I think it's a better film than Empire. It's certainly not perfect, and it absolutely has pacing problems. But it was the first Star Wars film that made me feel like I actually had to engage with the film and watch it deeper than just looking for shallow eye candy. And I will always prefer that to anything.

Posted 1 Hour ago by Jet Presto

Yeah but Naruto has to tame that beast. It would take advantage of him if it didn't respect him.

Posted 1 Hour ago by I killed Mufasa
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Cut out the Rose and Finn parts and you lose the central message and purpose of the film. I get why people found Canto Bight a slog (and it does border into prequel territory, for sure - I don't think it's necessarily all executed super well), but the Rose/Finn storyline is literally the most important plot thread for the film on a thematic level.


eh did we watch the same movie? I didnt find that part of it to be necessary or important.


Yeah but Naruto has to tame that beast. It would take advantage of him if it didn't respect him.

It has been years since Ive read the mange but he never really does tame the beast. Not even when he faces Pein. I may have to go back recheck but if I remember correctly they only work together because the 9 tails fears madaara (not entirely sure if this is the case its been a long time since Ive cared about the series)


goku

yes we see him training but he has some ridiculous power jumps thanks to an ability that is genetically given to all of the saiyan race. Like jet said it is a mixed bag.

Posted 41 Minutes ago by S.O.H.
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Jet she absolutely was a Mary Sue in TLJ. She trains with Luke for what, a week, half of which he doesn't even want to. He says he's only seen her power once before and yet he's met Vader and Yoda and Obi-Wan and the Emperor. And bam, she's equal in power to Kylo or perhaps even stronger? I don't buy into the SJW hate she gets but she is a ridiculous character when it comes to her power. Don't get me wrong. I found Daisy likable and I found Rey enjoyable for the first hour of TFA before she pilots the Falcon. I think they did that part well for her origin story on Jakku. After that I found that while she still has charm she's just OP as shit with no merit to be that way. In the last hour of TFA she has close to Starkiller levels of power and Luke thinks she's Jesus even though he himself can cast an image of himself half a galaxy away and "fight" and convincingly trick Kylo Ren. I am sorry, I wasn't sold on it. TLJ feels like a fanfiction made into a movie. The visuals were great but they broke the movie and the universe with the kamekaze ship attack and they broke my personal belief when they made Rey abundantly powerful for no reason.

Posted 20 Minutes ago by I killed Mufasa
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And bam, she's equal in power to Kylo or perhaps even stronger

It has been established that kylos grandpa was space jesus. Couldnt it be the case that she is just the second coming of another space jesus?

they broke my personal belief when they made Rey abundantly powerful for no reason.

but weve seen that happen with space jesus and his son luke. why didnt it break your belief then?

Posted 16 Minutes ago by s.o.h.
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I dont watch the shows or animated series but is there a form of media out there which follows up the events of the Solo movie? I am interested to see what happens to

Posted 14 Minutes ago by S.O.H.
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Anakin at least trains as a Jedi his whole life and has personal lessons from Palpatine across 20 years by the time a new hope happens. And Luke gets training directly from Yoda for months. Rey trains with Luke for a week and is just astoundingly powerful for no reason. She defeats Kylo even before that. Goku was a low level soldier class saiyan, disposable. He does dedicated training for one year with Gohan not even counting the training he does in other archs. Naruto has wanted to be hokage since he could talk. For Rey the power and responsibility just appears even though she didn't seek it out or want it.

Edited 8 Minutes ago by I killed Mufasa
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Rey at best is just a carbon copy of Luke. Which is lazy.

Posted 10 Minutes ago by I killed Mufasa
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Naruto has wanted to be hokage since he could talk.

To be fair. He draws a lot of his power once again from the 9 tail beast. A chakra reserve literally given to him at birth. With out it I dont believe he would have been able to accomplish the majority of his feats let alone become hokage.

Posted 9 Minutes ago by s.o.h.
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Why not? His father was a Hokage.

Posted 7 Minutes ago by I killed Mufasa
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Luke at least lost when he dueled a Master for the first time. Anakin lost when he fought Dooku. Goku and Naruto have eaten dirt numerous times. Rey wins every time. She is a Sue.

Edited 3 Minutes ago by I killed Mufasa
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Rey is an insult to characters like Ash Ketchum who's entire goal in life is to be the very best, like no one ever was. Every time Ash loses a pokemon battle despite his heart and grot and effort makes me cringe when I see Rey effortlessly parry and wound Kylo Ren or levitate 1000s of giant boulders at once.

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