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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

"Fear is the foundation of most governments." - John Adams

"My family is more important than my party." - Zell Miller


Should species propagation be considered a human obligation? As in should it be considered wrong nottoahve childrenif y ou are able to?

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The theory of overpopulation is a bunch of bunk, before someone chimes in with that. If we used our resources more efficiently and quit clustering everyone into cities we could support a growing population for centuries to come.

Also no I don't think we should force people to have kids either. That's a personal choice and it isn't society's call to dictate it either way.

Posted July 10th by Xhin
Xhin
 

Maybe some day we will consciously choose not to produce physically. But until then, a fundamental part of life is reproducing. On an individual level you have every right not to do it or feel obligated, though.

Posted July 10th by Agis
Agis
 

As in should it be considered wrong nottoahve childrenif y ou are able to?

No, do what you want.

Should species propagation be considered a human obligation?

I'd say only if it's dependent on humanity as a whole to do so then there may be some kind of obligation. Whether or not one decides to do so is up to them though. There shouldn't be any kind of forced reproduction.

The theory of overpopulation is a bunch of bunk, before someone chimes in with that.

I remember seeing a video a few years ago that said we wouldn't even get near the purported number. Something like more advanced societies tend to flatten out in regards to their population.

Posted July 10th by Fox Forever
Fox Forever

Nothing wrong with not wanting children. Plenty of people out there who shouldnt have kids that will still pop out a few dozen.


And no there is a limit to how many people we can have on this planet. I think we will reach that limit within the century.

Posted July 10th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

better start finding more places to put them then I've ust been thinkingabout how, if most of us live to about eighty b y a generous estimate that give s us about thirty thousond days give or take.

Posted July 10th by tnu
tnu

Not everyone should, I wouldn’t recvinend depressed people or disabled to have children

Edited July 10th by Brandy
Brandy

The theory of overpopulation is a bunch of bunk

Depends where on the planet you’re talking. You’re kidding yourself if you think Africa and the Middle East aren’t overpopulated. I would say America is overpopulated as well.

Posted July 10th by pacman
pacman
 

I in fact we are overpopulating the world with our growth in population which we have limited resources for and traffic is bullshit in big cities like where fox forever and I live. Limited housing causes homelessness and poverty and diseases and lack of enough jobs to support everyone in order to live.

Posted July 10th by weid man
weid man
 

There is a certain limit to the population issue. Amount of land that is suitable for farming, amount of resources on this planet necessary for decent living, amount of drinkable water. For sure we will run out of oil before this becomes a problem, but in certain locations you will see trends. Japan's population is declining: 200,000,000 people live on an island the size of Florida.

No, we should not be obligated to have children.

Posted July 10th by mariomguy
mariomguy

I've been wondering what our "purpose" is and the closest Icould think of was species propagation.

Posted July 11th by tnu
tnu

You should listen to Neil Degrasse Tyson sometime. He's extremely interesting to listen to, and he often talks about our cosmic origins and purpose in the universe. I don't know if what he says will resonate with you, but it did with me.

Posted July 11th by Agis
Agis
 

I've sees omeofit but I admittedly need ot see more. I've been listening toa lot of Bill Nye and Michio Kaku latley.

Posted Thursday by tnu
tnu

Michio Kaku is great.

Posted Thursday by Agis
Agis
 

the dangers of overpopulation are overstated and also self-correcting. that's absolutely what's happening in Japan.

Posted Thursday by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

If a woman hasn't had a kid by 28 she should be exterminated.

Posted Thursday by MarvaIo
MarvaIo
 

I think millennials need to re-evaluate why they don't want to have children. Stop viewing it from a selfish perspective.

Posted Friday by GC/MS
GC/MS
 

I don't know that it's a selfish perspective in general, though the millennial generation does tend to display some odd trends in thinking.

As a person that's technically classified in the millennials, the reason I'm not having children is a combination of things, not just the fact that I don't want to dedicate 18+ years of my life to being responsible for another human.

Posted Friday by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin

I like the Neil degrasse Tyson eats spicy hot wings video.

Edited Friday by Brandy
Brandy

To be honest all I ever heard from Tyson on the matter of death is "try to remember before you were born" and tat just makes me feel worse about it. Completely terrified of that concept and being in the state of not being, thinking, feeling, or knowing forever.

Edited Friday by tnu
tnu

And Mung said: "Were the forty million years before thy coming intolerable to thee?"

And Mung said: "Not less tolerable to thee shall be the forty million years to come!"


Posted Friday by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin

the dangers of overpopulation are overstated and also self-correcting.

Overstated by who? I rarely hear overpopulation discussed at all unless it’s people claiming it is a myth. I used to be one of those people. Until I got my head unstuck from the sand and read about the issue more objectively. I think most people completely unconcerned about population and humans’ impact on the planet are suffering from normalcy bias. I certainly was.

From Wikipedia:

“The normalcy bias, or normality bias, is a belief people hold when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the likelihood of a disaster and its possible effects, because people believe that things will always function the way things normally have functioned.

that's absolutely what's happening in Japan.

I assume you’re talking about their aging and underpopulation problem? Europe is getting there too, where the number of dependents outweighs the number of producers. This is a separate issue from the overpopulation of other regions.

I think millennials need to re-evaluate why they don't want to have children. Stop viewing it from a selfish perspective.

Adoption is far less selfish and narcissistic than procreation. Shouldn’t you be encouraging people to mostly adopt if selflessness is your goal? Why bring MORE children into the world when our societies can’t even house the ones already here?








Posted Friday by pacman
pacman
 

terrified of that concept and being in the state of not being, thinking, feeling, or knowing forever.

Based on the few Threads I read that you made, you don’t enjoy life and you find it meaningless , so I think secretly you Kind of wish to die.Everyonr daydreams about dieing too, that’s how I know how you feel.

Edited Friday by Brandy
Brandy

Cruinn-Annuin

Yeah that's te stupid cliche I was talkig about.

Posted Friday by tnu
tnu

A perfectly preferable alternative to stupid anxiety.

Edited Friday by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin

That's the thing I odn'tsee it as an alternative I see it as a stresser.as in a cuaseof the anxiety.

Posted Friday by tnu
tnu

Either way, what are you going to do about it?

If you want something, do what you can. There is no point in fretting over it.

Posted Friday by Cruinn-Annuin
Cruinn-Annuin

Don't really know.

Posted Saturday by tnu
tnu

my son took his first steps today

Posted Saturday by EN
EN

But there was planes to catch and bills to pay...

Posted Sunday by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 

I think millennials need to re-evaluate why they don't want to have children. Stop viewing it from a selfish perspective.

It's because no one wants to have kids in a place they rent with a job they can't take time off from without savings to fall back on - not just for *their* sake but for the sake of the kid. They don't want their kids to be latchkey kids or to miss out on the programs and the activities that their richer peers can afford to get for their kids. It's not selfish to delay having children until you're financially in a place to give them a respectable upbringing.

Moreover, adopting some kid so they don't have to grow up a ward of the state is extremely good, but the reptile-brain is strong and the need to breed irrepressible.

Overstated by who? I rarely hear overpopulation discussed at all unless it’s people claiming it is a myth. I used to be one of those people. Until I got my head unstuck from the sand and read about the issue more objectively. I think most people completely unconcerned about population and humans’ impact on the planet are suffering from normalcy bias. I certainly was.

Humans' impact on the planet could be reduced, easily, but capitalism allocates resources very poorly and abhors the concept of sustainability. A business that isn't growing is already dead. Something something ideology of the cancer cell.

I assume you’re talking about their aging and underpopulation problem? Europe is getting there too, where the number of dependents outweighs the number of producers. This is a separate issue from the overpopulation of other regions.

When the number of dependents becomes unsustainable they won't be sustained. Who knows how that'll work? The fabled and elusive "death panels," perhaps.

If millennials can't support families, they don't have (as many) kids. That means Gen Z will be smaller (at least proportionally), which in turn transforms labor into a seller's market. Gen Z will be offered the competitive salaries and benefits that we weren't because they can't be replaced at the drop of a hat.

Assuming robots haven't eliminated these positions by that time, mind.

Posted Sunday by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

actually PPFB not really related but I've been meaning to askyou used tobe a r9ig ht-minarchist if I recall andnowyour position seems closer to social anarchist/anarcho-communist/libertarian socialsit (I've beenhangingout with leftists a lot andthere's a lotof distinctions) curious what changed.

Posted Sunday by tnu
tnu

Humans' impact on the planet could be reduced, easily, but capitalism allocates resources very poorly and abhors the concept of sustainability. A business that isn't growing is already dead. Something something ideology of the cancer cell.

The impact of countries like America and China on the planet could easily be reduced. But adequately feeding, sheltering and making possible a reasonably comfortable life for all 7 billion people would be a logistical nightmare and maybe even impossible. We’d certainly have to rethink all of human civilization.

If millennials can't support families, they don't have (as many) kids.

This assumption requires a great leap of faith. Poor people in America actually tend to have more children than rich people. Most people who want children will want them whether they can afford it or not.

Edited Yesterday Evening by pacman
pacman
 

honeslty these days I"mmore convinced then I wasinthepast tht we canachive quasi-post scarcity. there'salready a device that exitstsi nnature that can turn dead cows in to live humans. Whatever helps us transcendt he human condition faster.

Edited Yesterday Evening by tnu
tnu

" there'salready a device that exitstsi nnature that can turn dead cows in to live humans"

what

Posted Yesterday Evening by poptart!
poptart!
 

Alguém br?

Edited 2 and a half Hours ago by Brandy
Brandy
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