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Alcohol has caused many health problems and deaths for millions of people. So what do you think? Should it be made illegal?

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No, but being fat should be.

Posted March 6th by nullfather

Both of these things would overflow our already overfilled jails.

Posted March 6th by Xhin
Xhin
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If you want me dead, you're gonna have to do it yourself.

good luck

Posted March 6th by S.o.h.
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Xhin, I was kidding. I'm fat myself. lol

Posted March 6th by I killed Mufasa
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I know, but someone reported it sooo.

Posted March 6th by Xhin
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"No, but being fat should be."

Why stop there? Why not make being Arrogant illegal?

"So what do you think? Should it be made illegal?"

I feel like U.S. tried that once............

Edited March 7th by Q
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Why stop there? Why not make being Arrogant illegal?


Me being superior to fat people isn't a preventable condition that's costing our society millions of dollars and millions of lost work years.

Posted March 7th by nullfather

"Me being superior to fat people isn't a preventable condition that's costing our society millions of dollars and millions of lost work years."

lol, ok.

Posted March 7th by Q
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Me being superior to fat people isn't a preventable condition that's costing our society millions of dollars and millions of lost work years.


physically superior sure. superior in every way. thats a stretch.

personally I would rather be overweight/ fat and rich than poor and fit. (actually either one would be good for me )

Posted March 7th by S.O.H.
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If being fat was illegal what would the punishment be?

Edited March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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being slow in the head?

Posted March 7th by S.O.H.
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That was a typo.

Posted March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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If being fat was illegal what would the punishment be?


Forced labor camps.

Posted March 7th by nullfather

Can you elaborate? Or are you just shitposting? It could be an interesting discussion. Right now people have to pay hundreds of dollars a year for gym memberships and thousands per year if they want personal trainers. Mandatory free gym memberships and time spent there could actually cure or greatly reduce obesity.

Posted March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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I figured heart disease and diabetes is punishment enough, but sure let’s go all North Korea on them because they don’t meet your physical standards.

Posted March 7th by Q
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Mandatory free gym memberships and time spent there could actually cure or greatly reduce obesity.


Ya know, I was really liking the idea of slave labor camps for fat people, but socialized fitness support and increased public fitness education is a pretty decent alternative. Yeah, let's do that instead.

Posted March 7th by nullfather

I mean kids have phys ed right? Adults should really have it too. Twice a day people should leave their seats at work and play dodge ball or something. I never got fat until I turned 19, I was skinny as a rake as a kid. Because I walked to and from school and had gym class. Now I just drive everywhere.

Edited March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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People don't use the gym memberships they pay for.

Obesity is the most enviable of first world problems, because it is infinitely better to be fat than to go hungry. It is better yet to practice a lifestyle that accounts for the fact that our bodies are created to store energy, and to put in no more than we're prepared to use, but it seems that a minority of adult Americans care enough to live that way.

I broke 180 lbs for the first time last year, and am now hovering around 182 most days. This is with exercising, and so I've resolved to go a bit lighter on the junkfood (of which I eat well more than is reasonable) and hope to hit my old target weight of 175, back when I was post surgery and trying to get back what I had lost.

When I think back on how gaunt I looked just three years ago (weight loss induced by achalasia) I find myself feeling very fortunate to have to do nothing more arduous than lose seven pounds.

Edited March 7th by Famov

I'm typing this from a Wendy's

Posted March 7th by S.o.h.
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Not much I can do, I live in Canada. If I go jogging I'm gonna slip on the ice. Gym Memberships are really expensive if the weather is so bad you can only go once a week. It's not worth it. So I pretty well hibernate through the winter. In a month or so I'll be able to be active again, but come November/December all the weight goes back on.

Edited March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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Gotta diet during the winter months fam.

Posted March 7th by S.o.h.
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Exercise is important, but diet is more important. If you want to lose weight then you need to diet effectively. Putting serious time in on an elliptical (or some other cardiovascular activity) is great for you, but weight loss is not the primary reason to do it.

Or so I've been led to believe. I have a classic Type A nerd physique (thin) so there's only so much I understand or care to understand about these things.



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Posted March 7th by Famov

Not much I can do, I live in Canada. If I go jogging I'm gonna slip on the ice. Gym Memberships are really expensive if the weather is so bad you can only go once a week. It's not worth it. So I pretty well hibernate through the winter. In a month or so I'll be able to be active again, but come November/December all the weight goes back on.


You can attain and maintain physical fitness with no more resources than enough space to lie down in. In that space, you can do any number of body weight exercises. You can even use dumbbells and kettlebells in that space. With a little more space, you can fit a barbell in.

Posted March 7th by nullfather

I do use dumbells. My upper body is strong. I just can't get rid of the belly. Hell, even when I was doing manual labour for 8 hours all night long as you suggest it didn't quite melt away. Not everyone can look like a greek god unfortunately.

Like I can do jumping jacks or jump rope or whatever for about 2 minutes and then I'm out of breath. That's the extent of the cardio I'm capable of getting in the winter time.

And the best body weight exercise, the push up, is rough for me because I broke my wrist when I was younger and it just feels awful to put weight on it that way. I can do like stair push ups though where it's not all my body weight.

Edited March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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Tell us about your diet, though.

Posted March 7th by Vandy

I just can't get rid of the belly. Hell, even when I was doing manual labour for 8 hours all night long as you suggest it didn't quite melt away. Not everyone can look like a greek god unfortunately.


No, but you can get rid of a belly if you stop making excuses.

And the best body weight exercise, the push up, is rough for me


First off, phrases like "the best exercise" are not helpful. Secondly, do you mean specifically putting weight on it with your hand at 90 degrees, or just putting weight on it from the front in any capacity? I ask because if you do pushups with your fists instead of your palms, you get deeper ROM, sturdier form and tougher knuckles. That's usually the way I do it.

Posted March 7th by nullfather

My grandfather bakes cookies and lasagna and makes spaghetti and pies. I've told him to stop but he won't. It's kind of hilarious really. He's the best guy, but when it comes to that he's the worst.I sometimes tell him to let me water fast for a day once every couple weeks though. I don't drink alcohol, pop, juice, or milk, I stick strictly to water. I don't smoke or do drugs. My only vice is his delicious food and I'm stuck with it until he croaks it seems like. I can only sneak plates of food into the garbage so many times. Sometimes he wants to sit down and eat dinner with me. And even though I've told him to stop it's rude to just not eat what he makes. It's a weird social pressure thing.

I'd love to water fast for a month but he'd tell me I'm crazy. He thinks I would die after 3 days. Not if I stay hydrated. <.<

Eventually though I'll slim down. My ugly duckling stage is temporary. In my 30s I intend to become a beautiful swan.

Posted March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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I think I'd be better off trying to bench press the weight of a normal sized person than doing push ups. For some reason pushing a barbell up doesn't hurt near as much as doing a push up. My wrist is so bad raking or using a mouse hurts too. It's something about that position. I've given fist push ups a try before. It's less uncomfortable but still uncomfortable.

Posted March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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So - cookies, lasagna, spaghetti and pies. If this is your diet then you will always have trouble slimming down. Though you haven't told us how much of this stuff you're eating.

Posted March 7th by Vandy

Less than I used to. I made a point of it to eat less of it, and eat more apples, bananas, and broccoli. I never get sick, and I don't feel weak, I'm just a little tubby. My current weight is more the consequence of being largely sedentary since November which is when I ended my gym membership. I won't pay for a subscription service if I can't use it frequently. Once things begin to melt I'll be going on my nightly walks again and heading back to the YMCA gym. I live in the country, in the middle of butt fuck no where, and when there's snow on the roads you can be stuck inside for 2 days at a time. In the summer time you still have to drive to get anywhere. My only exercise in the winter side from lifting weights has been shoveling snow. I have neglected the jumping jacks and jump rope more than I should I'll admit.

Next winter I may entertain the idea of paying for the stupid gym membership even though I can probably only use it once a week or less.

Edited March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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I see a long list of excuses in this thread. I get it ive been there. But you gotta try my man.

Posted March 7th by S.o.h
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because it is infinitely better to be fat than to go hungry


I've been both and being fat is worse. Also it only takes like a week of refeeding to quit being hungry whereas it can take *years* to quit being fat.

but it seems that a minority of adult Americans care enough to live that way.


These problems run deep man. They're systemic, not personal. It isn't just obesity either, things like diabetes and hypertension and heart disease have gone crazy.

Not much I can do, I live in Canada. If I go jogging I'm gonna slip on the ice


Get some kind of exercise machine. Get on it when you're otherwise playing video games or watching movies or w/e. So instead of taking time out of your day to "exercise" you're just doing it while you do other shit.


Posted March 7th by Xhin
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My cousin got me on a diet some years back, and it's one that I've stuck to since: 1800 calories a day. Simple as that. Thing is, the human body burns 2000 calories a day to simply exist, so if you feed it less than that you will lose weight.

Posted March 7th by Black Yoshi

Black Yoshi that amount varies person to person. For example, a man who is 6'6" is going to need more calories to sustain his weight than a 5'3" woman.

Edited March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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I'm really annoyed when people assume I don't try. I literally just said that even when I was doing a labour intensive job (picking up, carrying, and walking with heavy ass bags and boxes of vegetables for literally 8-12 hours a night) I still didn't lose my belly. Like Jesus Christ, if that doesn't do it what are you expecting of me? I exercised for a third or more of my 24 hours day 5 days a week for 8 months straight and I was still fucking tubby. Yeah I was strong and a lot fitter. But it wasn't enough to make me look attractive. Do I have to climb mountains during every hour I'm awake to please my doubters?

Edited March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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I'm really annoyed when people assume that doing extensive labor Is going to be enough to get rid of their belly. From my experience you need to do high amounts of cardio and eat righy to accomplish such a feat. (Something that ive done twice in my life and that I will do again)

Posted March 7th by S.o.h.
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It's math, dude. I was burning 3000+ calories a night. My diet at work was black coffee, coconut water, meal replacement drinks like boost, and potatoes for carbs so that I didn't die. The fat came off everywhere except for the belly. I just could not get rid of it.

There is a stage where effort far exceeds reward and something becomes stupid.


Posted March 7th by I killed Mufasa
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I was burning 3000+ calories a night.


Yeah, I can attest to that. Manual labor makes your TDEE go crazy high. So does your hunger usually though. Quitting a manual labor job is a great way to gain weight because you're still used to the high food intake. There's probably something hormonal going on too due to the mix of heavy catabolism and heavy anabolism. Fortunately this time around I only went up 8-10lbs before I got it back under control.

In any case as I pointed out, weight gain / failure to lose weight is a systemic problem, not a personal issue. Even if you get past all the highly palatable (and socially ubiquitous) junk, there's still issues with hunger and low blood sugar / etc to overcome. Restricting your calories when you're hungry all the time is basically equally as hard as quitting smoking, and you end up having the same set of temptations and justifications as well. Meanwhile, losing weight when you're not hungry is fucking easy, and losing weight when you're hungry but it's a dull hunger and not that ravenous thing is hard but still way easier.

Posted March 8th by Xhin
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That's great it seems to me like you had to do some additional work to get rid of it.

Posted March 8th by S.o.h.
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Probably, but as you can imagine that work schedule poops you the fuck out. So we go back to my question. Do I have to spend every waking hour climbing mountains to please people who think that work schedule is lazy? Apparently yes.

Posted March 8th by I killed Mufasa
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Honestly my second iteration of this diet was the easiest thing ever. Lots of meat and cheese and sour cream and ranch dressing, a bunch of tasty vegetables, none of the cheap bullshit filler that gets in the way of good food, and like 30-40g of daily sugar guaranteed per day.

More recently my goals have been maximizing nutrition so my current version looks a bit diffferent, but it's still easy to maintain and always delicious.

Edited March 8th by Xhin
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Gonna need to spend a number of hours climbing mountains doing cardio and eating right to lose the tummy my dude. How are your knees?

Posted March 8th by S.o.h.
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My knees are great. One of the most reliable parts of my body. I've fucked both ankles and a wrist though. I actually kinda like hiking and I plan to do some this summer. Xhin your diet sounds similar to what I did on cardio, and I included eggs as well.

Posted March 8th by I killed Mufasa
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1800 calories a day. Simple as that.

I am trying this one now.

Posted March 13th by I killed Mufasa
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