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09/11/2001 WE REMEMBER

"Fear is the foundation of most governments." - John Adams

"My family is more important than my party." - Zell Miller


https://www.voanews.com/a/youtube-headquarters-shooting-/4330945.html


SAN BRUNO, CALIFORNIA —
A woman opened fire at YouTube's headquarters near San Francisco on Tuesday, sending employees scrambling into the street and at least three victims to local hospitals before taking her own life, police said.

Police did not release any further information on the suspect or speculate on her motives for the shooting at the offices of YouTube, which is owned by Alphabet's Google.

"We did locate a victim with what we believe to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound. It's a female," San Bruno Police Chief Ed Barberini said at a news conference, describing the person police believe was the shooter.

One of the victims, a 36-year-old man, was listed in critical condition at San Francisco General Hospital. A 32-year-old woman was listed in serious condition and a 27-year-old woman in fair condition. Authorities did not release names of any of the victims.

A YouTube product manager, Todd Sherman, described on Twitter hearing people running, first thinking it was an earthquake before he was told that a person had a gun.

"At that point every new person I saw was a potential shooter. Someone else said that the person shot out the back doors and then shot themselves," Sherman said on Twitter.

"I looked down and saw blood drips on the floor and stairs.

Peaked around for threats and then we headed downstairs and out the front," Sherman said.

Google told NBC news in a statement that it was coordinating with local authorities.

"Customers said they heard what could have been gunshots when they were on their way here," Natalie Mangiante, an employee at Big Mouth Burgers located near the YouTube building, said by phone.

Mangiante said she did not see or notice anything.

Local television images showed YouTube employees walking out of the building with their hands raised.

Last month, YouTube announced it would ban content promoting the sale of guns and gun accessories as well as videos that teach how to make guns.



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The shooter was apparently an Iranian YouTuber named Nasim Aghdam involved in...radical veganism, if you can believe it. She was thirty-eight, her YouTube channel was chock full of crazy and she seems to believe that she was being personally censored by YouTube. It's since been pulled (I can't imagine why).

Edited April 4th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

Radical Veganism


Double Bacon Cheeseburgers to combat the new threat to western society. 85 Get the grill.

Edited April 4th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

That's crazy.

Google is in a legal conflict right now over it's alleged viewpoint discrimination over this sort of thing. While I support a company's right to discriminate, it should be obvious that censorship of radicals doesn't make them go away, and ultimately escalates to violence.

Edited April 4th by Dr. Doom
Dr. Doom
 

At least no one (other than the soygirl psychotic) was killed.

The articles I've read all mention that she was carrying a Smith and Wesson 9 mm pistol. While it's no guarantee, she was probably carrying an M&P Shield, which is a very good and very popular firearm. While most guns used in crime are illegal anyway, it is worth noting that far more gun crime is committed with 9 mm pistols (and .38 revolvers) than have or will ever be committed with semi automatic rifles. For instance (and since I couldn't find national data on the topic) a 2015 report shows that between 80 to 85 percent of gun homicides in Chicago were committed with a 9 mm of some description, a "preponderance" of which by "members of organized gangs".
http://home.uchicago.edu/ludwigj/papers/JCrimLC%202015%20Guns%20in%20Chicago.pdf

Posted April 4th by Famov
Famov

a 2015 report shows that between 80 to 85 percent of gun homicides in Chicago were committed with a 9 mm of some description


I'd be interested in seeing this analyzed per capita and cross-referenced with total gun violence (not necessarily lethal) by caliber in order to establish deadliness-by-caliber. I think that the results would surprise a lot of people, as most people don't realize that the biggest deciding factor in the lethality of a gunshot wound is the possibility of additional gunshot wounds. 9x19 Parabellum is actually one of the lowest-ranking rounds that still meets the FBI standard of sufficient lethality for law enforcement; however, the extreme popularity of guns like the Glock 17, with its idiot-proof nature and magazine of higher capacity than most handguns, has become one of the deadliest in history.

Posted April 4th by nullfather
nullfather

Canada has heavier restrictions on pistols than hunting rifles and shotguns for that reason. It's too easy to conceal a pistol. Walking down the street with a large gun draws lots of attention to yourself.

Posted April 5th by I killed Mufasa
I killed Mufasa
long live the king

Thankfully she didn't have an AR-15 or any other such assault rifle. Otherwise we would have had a lot more casualties. Ironically, if there had been an assault rifle and more casualties, it would be so tragic as to preclude politics and gun control talk -- according to conservatives.

But here we are.

Great that California has strict gun control and their gun homicides have much fewer casualties than red states. The people at Youtube must definitely be thankful.

Posted April 5th by Agis
Agis
 

The only thing that precludes a useful conversation about guns is your tendency to duck out of one the moment your easily debunked preconceptions on the matter are challenged.

You can tell us how she would have been able to commit "a lot more casualties" with an AR-15 at any time. What makes it an order of magnitude more dangerous than a S&W 9 mm?

Posted April 5th by Famov
Famov

Thankfully she didn't have an AR-15 or any other such assault rifle. Otherwise we would have had a lot more casualties.


I'd tend to disagree, judging from how shitty she was with this gun.

Posted April 5th by nullfather
nullfather

If she'd had an automatic weapon, it wouldn't matter how bad she was, the sheer volume of bullets thrown in one direction would all but guarantee carnage - but AR-15s aren't automatic. I'm just glad she was a lousy shot.

Posted April 5th by Pink Peruvian Flying Bear
Pink Peruvian Flying Bear

famov, what gun would you use if you were going to murder a large crowd of people?

Posted April 6th by poptart!
poptart!
 

Additional Question what was Jesus Christ's favorite handgun?

Posted April 6th by S.O.H.
S.O.H.
 

famov, what gun would you use if you were going to murder a large crowd of people?

Well, if I wanted to ignore what you were getting at I would answer the FN Five-Seven pistol, because it's what I have. I am experienced with it and I have two 20 round magazines at my disposal. I could do as much or more damage as Cruz and without a rifle, and I'm not even all that good.

But I'll humor the point: With months of premeditation and the opportunity to purchase and practice with other firearms it is entirely conceivable that I would choose a rifle over a pistol. One 30 round magazine is better than two 15s, and it may even be better than two 20s depending on the circumstances of the attack. But it will not be better than nineteen 10 and 15 round magazines, which is what the Virginia Tech killer used to murder 32 people with his Glock 19 and Walther P22.

We'll never know what Agis knows about what I know you know about the nature of semi automatic rifles, because he is clearly unwilling or unable to give a coherent answer. But yes, it's true, most shooters will be more effective with a rifle than a pistol in these circumstances. The difference however is small. The same "arguments" used to argue for prohibition of semi automatic rifles apply almost just as well to semi automatic pistols. And isn't that the point? I'm not appealing to the slippery slope so much as an iced over sidewalk. There's a quarter degree of separation between what a vaguely competent shooter can do with an AR-15 as he can do with a Glock 19 within the context of shooting unarmed people with nowhere to run. The notion that the AR-15 and other so called "assault weapons" are uniquely capable of destruction is a lie and an obvious one meant to drive an exaggerated distinction between semi automatic rifles and pistols so that gun control advocates can appeal to the fear many have in scary black guns that look like (but are not the same as) what they see in movies. Pistols, we're left to infer, will be targeted only after rifles are banned. After all, pistols are used in the overwhelming majority of gun crimes, and despite every indication we must still assume that gun control advocates are fundamentally rational actors with big picture objectives.

Additional Question what was Jesus Christ's favorite handgun?

I typed your question into google and the answer I got was "A nail gun." but I think I'm going to pull a Pascal's Wager and definitely not endorse that for the sake of my ostensibly immortal soul.

Edited April 7th by Famov
Famov

A nail gun


I ain't even mad that's amazing.

Posted April 7th by S.o.h.
S.o.h.
 
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