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Posted: Posted April 23rd
Edited April 23rd by chiarizio
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This thread will, I hope, collect everyone’s science+magic crossover notions.

First example:
Physics/D&D Crossover: Schroedinger’s Beholder
Maybe someone’s already thought of it.
What quantum effects would be magnified by a Beholder’s stronger-than-natural observational abilities?


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My current conworld has magic crystals / elemental magic that can be manipulated into relativistic effects (known as Worm Gates), so there's that. There are also Ambient Fluctuations, which are basically quantum foam effects on a larger scale.

What quantum effects would be magnified by a Beholder’s stronger-than-natural observational abilities?


Any particle in its gaze would cease to have a knowable velocity, because it observes all the positions at once. This would explain why it nullifies magic.

Posted April 23rd by Xhin
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

My multiracial fantasy conworld, which I haven’t yet named (I thought of “Msfunmrfcw”, an acronym for “my so-far un-named multi-racial fantasy con-world”, but I couldn’t figure out how to pronounce it), has three (out of its four) races that have some mixing of magical interspecies fertility with RL-accurate primatology-taxonomy.

The Humans are going to basically be anatomically-modern and behaviorally-modern Homo sapiens.. They may, or may not, have a different portion of crossover inheritance from the archaic species of genus Homo, than real-life modern humans do. I am also reserving the right to magically give them some flavoring of genetic inheritance from the various non-Homo genera in the homininan subtribe, which includes Australopithecus and Paranthropus but not Pan troglodytes (chimpanzees) nor bonobos (the other Pan species) nor other members of the Panini subtribe of hominins.
Not all RL taxonomists wholeheartedly unreservedly accept the homininan subtribe of hominins; and I think some reserve the word “human” to apply to all and only genus Homo, while others apply the word “human” to the whole taxonomic subtribe of homininans.

The Dwarves are mostly going to be descended from the panini subtribe of the Hominin tribe; indeed, mostly the Pan troglodytes. They’ll also have a significant genetic inheritance (hairiness, e.g.) from the gorillini tribe, who belong to the hominine subfamily but not to the hominin tribe. But they’ll probably also get some traits — in particular, size — from an archaic human species of genus Homo, to wit Homo floresiensis.

The Elves are mostly going to be descended from the Hylobatid family of the hominoid superfamily; apes who aren’t great apes, that is, lesser apes; in the case of Hylobatids, that mostly means gibbons. However they’re also going to have significant contribution from pongids, hominids (great apes) who are in the family of hominids, but not in the subfamily of hominines. Pongids mostly means orang-utans.

So we got an arguably-all-Human people (the Men);
a people evolved from a chimp-gorilla-(archaic-)human hybrid (the Dwarves);
and a people evolved from a gibbon-orangutan hybrid (the Elves).

I don’t know how much of that is going to be known to in-world biologists or lore-masters, versus how much will just be kept in mind for auctorial purposes.

But the four races (those three plus the MerCentaurs) will have different biochemical/physiological strategies for eliminating nitrogenous wastes.

In the cases of the humanoid ones, I’ll need magic just to get their similarities and differences going; their cultures and their lives once they’ve evolved may proceed without much magic, though they’ll all always know magic exists.

But in the case of the MerCentaurs, I don’t see how they can successfully reproduce without magic.

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Posted April 24th by chiarizio
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(I thought of “Msfunmrfcw”, an acronym for “my so-far un-named multi-racial fantasy con-world”, but I couldn’t figure out how to pronounce it)


Just say the name is welsh and no one will question it.

But in the case of the MerCentaurs, I don’t see how they can successfully reproduce without magic.


What's the issue there?


Posted April 24th by Xhin
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Just say the name is welsh and no one will question it.


Hah!

What's the issue there?



They’re a three-way chimera; and they need piscine and human and equine reproduction.


Posted April 24th by chiarizio
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Just make them have Ovuliparity -- mercentaurs are born in eggs that must be fertilized outside the mother. Ovuliparity solves all problems.

Edited April 24th by Xhin
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Just make them have Ovuliparity -- mercentaurs are born in eggs that must be fertilized outside the mother. Ovuliparity solves all problems.


Well, no.
The fish-female part lays roe that are externally fertilized by milt from the fish-male part.
Then the resulting fry or larva (about the size of a bean, I guess, or a tadpole) swims into a human-female birth canal, probably unattached to either of the fry’s fish-parents, where it fuses with a human-ovum; and is then internally fertilized by a human-male-part.
Then an embryo about the size of a fist or a goose egg or a duck egg or a hen’s egg, is born, with gills, out of the human-females genital tract, probably without pain or danger to the mother or the embryo, especially if there’s a midwife there to help.
This embryo is then inserted in a mare-part’s birth canal, where it fuses with an equine ovum. And then it is fertilized a third time (the second internal fertilization) by a stallion-part.
Finally when it’s about the size of a foal, it is born a second time, without gills but with lungs. This second labor is intense. It’s probably pain-free and danger-free for the equine mother, but exhausting. The infant is in danger of drowning unless a midwife assists.

There are five fusions; only the first might not need magic.
The first two fusions are accomplished without necessarily needing the conscious control or even knowledge of the up-to-three parents involved.

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Or not. Maybe I’ll take your advice.

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Anyway, they can have up to six biological parents —— three sires and three dams —— and are unlikely to know who the first two are.

So, fostering and compadrazgo might be quite important to them, while marriage might be a totally foreign alien concept.



Edited April 24th by chiarizio
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They’re a three-way chimera; and they need piscine and human and equine reproduction.

@Xhin:
To be clear:
“My” Mer-Centaurs are very like the Ichthyocentaurs described here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthyocentaurs

(Except they don’t have any crustacean pieces. No lobster claws on their heads, for instance.)
They are a three-way chimera

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/chimera#English

(mythology) Any fantastic creature with parts from different animals.

(genetics) An organism with genetically distinct cells originating from two or more zygotes.

of:
Centaur https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaur
Hippocampus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocampus_(mythology)
and Merfolk https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merfolk


Edited June 9th by chiarizio
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The con-universe that I have for my danpyr and other species is a fantasy world with space travel: stars are sentient and powerful entities that control the magic of entire systems of planets and how life works on those worlds (if they choose to).

Posted April 30th by linguistcat
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The con-universe that I have for my danpyr and other species is a fantasy world with space travel: stars are sentient and powerful entities that control the magic of entire systems of planets and how life works on those worlds (if they choose to).



@linguistcat:
What’s the deets on their territories and their wanderings?
So far my impression is this.
The emales establish their territories rather close to their birth-homes.
Females roam a bit in late adolescence or early adulthood, before finding a new territory middling far from their birth-homes. They mostly wander in pairs or trios of sisters or half-sister-cousins, though sometimes one might wander by verself, and sometimes they go out in fours or fives. Females don’t require as much territory per individual as emales or smales; but a group might require as much or more, depending on the size of the group. So females might be not-very-closely related to the emale whose territory they share.
Smales leave their birth-homes far behind and scatter wide. They eventually find an emale with whom they can establish a rapport, somewhere that nobody is related to them, unless it’s kinda closish to their sfather’s birth-home (but never too close!).

An emale defends dis territory against other emales and against smales de just happens to dislike.
A smale defends nis territory quite ferociously against other smales; but doesn’t object to emales or females unless they threaten nis harem.
Females might welcome other females as long as the territory is not at capacity. If there isn’t enough resources left in the territory to support a new female and ver offspring, they’ll try to drive away newcomer females. They may make an exception if their senior female is quite old.

Did I get it right?



Posted May 8th by chiarizio
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This is pretty accurate. I am still thinking about timelines for reproduction, and all that. I'm thinking that their home planet's year is about 1.5 to 2.25 as long as an Earth year, but since this would start getting into how their universe is different from ours on the star level. But I'm thinking that gestation for them would take about half of their-year, and that it would occur during the low-energy period over late autumn, winter and early spring or there about. So in their early development as a species, any displays to attract mates would be late summer and into autumn, and as their society develops, most of their cultures would have something akin to Valentine's day, just twice.

I've also decided that since they feed directly on energy for most of their energy needs, all members of the family can help feed babies and young children. More like mammals suckling or some animals regurgitating a partial meal for a family member than it is to cannibalism. Ironically, physical foods outside of medical uses* would be considered "baby foods". Certain crystalline plants are given to young danpyr as treats to practice draining energy/"eating properly" while still having physical sustenance. Remind me to write a bit about danpyr cuisine when I have the chance again.

  • healing major wounds or illnesses requires physical mass, and they do retain the ability to digest some solids and liquids into adulthood. Crushed nutritive crystals in water is a common "sick/injured danpyr meal"

  • Posted May 9th by linguistcat
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    Ms-fun-mr-fcw is now renamed Ataivsh.
    My “so-far unnamed” multi-racial fantasy builtworld, is no longer unnamed.


    Posted June 23rd by chiarizio
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