Haven't played a DQ game yet but I wanted to respond to this bit regarding Persona 5:
> For goodness sakes, you help people with their problems by essentially using MAGIC to solve their problems and help them become better people! What a fucking betrayal to P3 and P4's message where you ACTUALLY help people become better as a human being by spending time with them and emotionally helping them through their problems and struggles! It was like the developers were stating you don't need to be an RPG hero to make a difference in people's lives or even your own!
Now I personally love Persona 5 to the point where it's my favourite video game now, but I felt the same way about that point and it's been one of my main criticisms of the game. I guess I see both sides: on one hand, Atlus has found a way to make battles and events in the "other world" have more relevance to the social link system, and I can appreciate how it ties everything together rather than making it feel like you're playing two separate games in parallel. On the other hand, from a narrative perspective it is far more powerful the way P3 and P4 handle it, that your powers have nothing to do with the impact you're having on the lives of others.
With that being said, I think P5 overall still has stronger social links than P3. P3 had a few great ones (the terminally ill kid in particular), but I felt a lot of them were... a little lacking... "Oui oui! Thanks for sewing with me!" *Bebe seems truly grateful. Your relationship is stronger now!* P4 was a huge step up from that.
And I guess as a counterpoint to your statement on P5 and marketing, I actually did play 3 and 4 first and I went into 5 expecting to like it but not as much as 4. I could go on and explain why 5 ended up becoming my favourite but it's a bit too long-winded for the purpose of this thread; suffice to say it wasn't due to the marketing, but I'll posit that your statement probably holds true for a large portion of new Persona fans.
Edited March 1st
by Jo Nathan
Bought dq11 on Amazon the other day for $41. Will arrive in 3 weeks. Not going to play it right away though. I only played an hour of the demo and it wasn't exactly mind blowing
Posted March 1st
Don't get me wrong, Jo Nathan. I really enjoyed P5 and might play through the Royal version someday. My gripes about marketing IS mostly regarding new fans. After all, I played P3 and P4 first too. I still hold fast that the story and characters don't compare to P3 and P4. Example: Akechi. When his true intentions are revealed, he becomes cartoonish and way too over-the-top. It was ridiculous and felt very cheesy--and killing him off-screen felt like I was cheated. Compared to Adachi or Takaya--and yes I realize Adachi is a tad over-the-top but you're also supposed to think of him as loony, unlike Akechi who had no real reason to be so cartoony--there is more subtlety, especially with Takaya who NEVER goes full Nicholas Cage.
Otherwise, P5 has better gameplay and art style. But everything else is weaker to me, like Persona Team lost focus.
By the way Jo Nathan, I was wondering, since you play games like I do (mad respect for ACTUALLY playing through Persona games!), if you would be interested in testing out the second tester's demo of the game I'm working on, along with Pirate Ninja and Jet Presto and others. My best friend is quitting his job and working full time on the game, and we need new opinions/feedback when it's ready in the coming months. Let me know!
@ShadowFox: My sentiments exactly from the start. I like it, but it's not the greatest.
Posted March 2nd
As odd as it may sound, I probably have more gripes about Persona 5 than I do about 4, but the things I like about 5 are things that I REALLY like. Like if you took one or two of my favourite characters out, Persona 4 may have stayed in the lead.
Also I would love to help test your game and I feel honoured that you'd ask me. I'll pm you my info.
Edit: Oh, weird, I tried sending you a message and it says you don't exist. Ah well. My email is froyton at gmail dot com, or find me on discord (if you use that). I think I'm the only froyton on it, but you can identify me by the Hobbes avatar. XD
Edited March 4th
by Jo Nathan
Oh, haha! I don't have a registered account on Gametalk! Old habits! I'll email or contact you on Discord in the coming months. We need all the feedback and support we can get before the Kickstarter!
Posted March 4th
I don't have the patience to read all these wall of texts... But I'll say this... My copy of dq11 came from Amazon today. I will play it eventually after I beat Link's Awakening and final fantasy x/x-2
Posted March 8th