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I already explained part of why in post replying to the post I reported but it's not even the first time this has happened so soon.

If nothing else this is pretty much going on needlessly insulting but the fact that they keep putting out posts like this which ultimately only seem to serve the purpose of mocking and getting amusement out of people being "mad". Warn them or something, no matter how I look at it their behavior is one that only intends to bring negativity when they make posts like this. No one likes this kind of shit. There is no reasoning with this kind of person and it's not reason they're seeking to argue based on anyway as Poptart pointed out in a previous thread.

If people like this are going to be allowed to do and say whatever they want then I'm already losing faith in the ability of this this place to change and wondering if Null had the right idea in leaving or not posting or whatever is going on even if it was probably for different reasons. But I don't know the reasons.

I have no doubt that yet another snarky post of a similar tone will coming after this too trying to do damage control while also throwing some more jabs at me.

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From Recalescence: "but I do sprinkle some BS in there"

"Right here, you could have just ignored the ]ad hominem and just stuck to the argument and I would have respected you so much more for it"

"You have a choice how to respond to inflammatory content, man"

They're even admitting they're doing it.

Posted October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

@Xhin:

Thanks for handling that. As you could probably tell things likely weren't going to go well if that kept going on. Am I in trouble or anything?

Edited October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

Disappointed that Famov and Arch didn't put a stop to it sooner. I saw them both looking at the thread in the recent users tab.

Posted October 2nd by poptart!

Not surprising unfortunately. They see no reason to do anything about it.

Edited October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

It just looked like two guys arguing, to me.

You really need to learn how to diffuse the situation by stop posting.

Posted October 2nd by Agis
Agis
 

It just looked like two guys arguing, to me.

You really need to learn how to diffuse the situation by stop posting.


Or you didn't read into it enough at all. Over the course of 3 threads it became rather clear to me despite initially believing that they weren't even baiting and were well-intentioned. This isn't really a fault of mine. Ya I could have just stopped feeding attention but I'd rather not be here if I have to put up with that kind of trolling. If they stop whatever but it's actually more annoying than #85 has been in a while.

Edited October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

Ya I could have just stopped feeding attention but I'd rather not be here if I have to put up with that kind of trolling.


I have noticed this pattern with you. You often know that you could act in a better way, but you decide not to. Other guy is obviously the instigator but you're playing with him. You're smart and you know that nothing good will come from the interaction.

This is just my observation. I hope next time you can avoid being involved in a spat like that.

Posted October 2nd by Vandy

I would like to but to me it feels like I'd either be better off leaving or keep going at it until something happens. Plus like honestly I'm not "triggered" or whatever by all that other stuff but when they keep talking about me like they did and keep trying to twist what is being said or what is happening to make me look bad and be an asshole with textwalls of that and then admit to it too like. I just really don't want to leave that be. It's gonna keep bugging me even if I walk away and it'll keep bugging me if it happens again or if I see it happen with someone else. I guess could ya, but it bothers me too much to just leave it be. It feels like either that or leaving the site are the only options for me because I can't stand that kind of shit especially since it's effective because what they're doing could easily get lost in the text and then they look like the one in the right and stuff.

Edited October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

Disappointed that Famov and Arch didn't put a stop to it sooner. I saw them both looking at the thread in the recent users tab.

Make no mistake, had I seen your last post in time I would have tagged it before the lock.

The thread was mostly going fine until that point, and I neither understand nor agree with Xhin's sudden intervention. Now we have a dead post at the top of the page, and the second mostly-friendly discussion (it's clearly intended as friendly on his end, knux) shut down from on high in as many days.

Posted October 2nd by Famov

Now we have a dead post at the top of the page, and the second mostly-friendly discussion (it's clearly intended as friendly on his end, knux) shut down from on high in as many days.


How... the fuck did you come to this conclusion? How? If it was friendly they would have AT LEAST known when to stop and when to apologize and stop acting like an ass and twisting all of that shit.

Edited October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

Make no mistake, had I seen your last post in time I would have tagged it before the lock.


Do your job so I don't have to stick up for Knux.

The thread was mostly going fine until that point, and I neither understand nor agree with Xhin's sudden intervention. Now we have a dead post at the top of the page, and the second mostly-friendly discussion (it's clearly intended as friendly on his end, knux) shut down from on high in as many days.


Are you kidding me? You shouldn't be a mod. Clearly you've learned nothing and aren't going to change anything.

Posted October 2nd by poptart!

I thought null left because both his threads in politics bombed. One got 0 replies the other got 1 reply so he got his feelings hurt

Posted October 2nd by Brandy

Do your job so I don't have to stick up for Knux.


It's definitely appreciated.

I thought null left because both his threads in politics bombed. One got 0 replies the other got 1 reply so he got his feelings hurt


I doubt that's why.

Posted October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

Make no mistake, had I seen your last post in time I would have tagged it before the lock.


Also you really think Poptart was the only one doing anything throughout that thread or previous threads? Jesus. I mean I wasn't gonna say anything initially but come on.

Posted October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

Sorry, this is off-topic to the thread (I couldn't find info about it anywhere else), but Null left? That's not good. Is he coming back?

Posted October 2nd by Ophelia

Might be temporarily idk. His thread was tagged for unknown reasons and then my thread asking about it was apparently tagged for unknown reasons.

Edited October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

Thank you for your response. I'm surprised. Hopefully he returns.

Posted October 2nd by Ophelia

It's well past my bed time, but I read through the thread again anyway. There was an actual discussion taking place. Recal was making real arguments. He was also teasing knuckles a little bit here and there. He was in fact absolutely frank about this, but of course knuckles still responds poorly to teasing of any kind. It's not as if this is news to anyone.

I don't know Arch's thoughts yet, but all I would have done is tag a few of the latter replies for a course correction and tried to explain to knux what I am now explaining here instead. Naturally, Xhin is Xhin and will do as Xhin does.

Posted October 2nd by Famov

Is that really the kind of content you'd like on the board Famov? One person semi-needlessly trolling the other?

Posted October 2nd by Fox Forever

but of course knuckles still responds poorly to teasing of any kind. It's not as if this is news to anyone.


Of course criticize me instead of acknowledging that it's not "teasing". Whether or not there was actual discussion and arguments happening also is irrelevant. This isn't even talking about what happened in previous threads which carried over. Being frank about it doesn't make it so didn't happen. They even admitted they were being an asshole. They didn't say anything about teasing.

I'm guessing you're starting to become more and more biased and you're starting to have an issue with me. You know there was more going on there. God.

Edited October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

I showed someone those threads and they could only find it unpleasant because of what Recal was doing and saying. With Jubei it goes without saying that it was unpleasant even to you. I probably shouldn't say more than that. Besides I've already said some of the obvious parts in this thread. They knew something awful was going on there.

Famov multiple people see it but you're not only not acknowledging it but you decided to blame me instead and say something that isn't even entirely true about me. Of COURSE I can and have taken teasing before but it has to be actual teasing. And other times it's not clear that it's just teasing. But it's pretty clear that all of that wasn't just teasing. You're being willfully blind and it greatly disappoints me.

Edited October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

It's not just Famov.

Recal wasn't being that bad, and even though people agree he wasn't being very cool about the way he was responding to you, no one felt the need other than you to go into his thread and call him a troll and argue with him for dozens of replies.

Nobody's blaming you for him acting like a troll, teasing, or however you want to call it, but there's an onus on everybody to take responsibility for how we respond (or don't) on this site.

Posted October 2nd by Agis
Agis
 

Recal wasn't being that bad


And it doesn't seem that bad because you weren't paying attention probably that or you have lower standards for what qualifies as bad. Regardless it was bad enough to be effective (because there's enough otherwise for people like you to overlook it) and it was plain mean-spirited.

no one felt the need other than you to go into his thread and call him a troll and argue with him for dozens of replies.


Did you happen to see the full context of me saying that before the thread was tagged and such though?

Even if Recal wasn't being that bad what of Famov? Give me a reason that it's worth sticking around here. I've tried to make things better but all of I got for that was a shitload of abuse from regs popping out of nowhere in a now tagged thread, insults, trolling, and so on. Even if Recal wasn't that bad do you think it's worth sticking around if you know that some people think so lowly of you? I do want this place to get better because I only have several places I actually go to anymore on the internet for social interaction but there are always these moments where what people really think shows.

Famov may just be saying what he believes to be true in this instance but during the election he started to seem to talk a bit nasty about me. It seems kind of like he's trying to pretend like he doesn't dislike me.

I know this may seem all over the place but I've maybe stayed a bit too long without a break in the hope that everything would clear and feeling like I have to, to see things through. And especially now since I have a role as a petition manager and Null apparently being gone or something. (though I guess it's somewhat unlikely that anyone will make new petitions at this point but still).

Edited October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

Knux, do you have any way to talk outside of GT? (No important reason; just curious) I know we used to on AIM but apparently that's dead now

Posted October 2nd by poptart!

Do you have discord? That seems like where everyone's going now days if they're not still on skype.

Posted October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

Hmmm I used to! I'll have to redownload it.

Posted October 2nd by poptart!

You can use it in your browser too.

Posted October 2nd by KnokkelMillennium

The lock actually had nothing to do with knuckles' complaint or the @ thing or even the report. Guys it's fine to have debates where you break your opponent's point apart into fragments, but the personal attacks, baiting and overall dysfunctional toxic content have got to stop. I know those threads blow up fast but the extra activity isn't worth it.

Posted October 2nd by Xhin
Xhin
The planets are aligned

Disappointed that Famov and Arch didn't put a stop to it sooner. I saw them both looking at the thread in the recent users tab.

There wasn't anything to intervene on until when Xhin locked the post.

Knuckles could assist by not engaging in hundreds of replies over multiple threads with Recal before complaining here, if he considers the interactions to be problematic.



Posted October 3rd by Arch
Arch
 

It doesn't matter what I did by continuing to reply to it because the problem existed even before a lot of that regardless of whether or not you agree there was one. But just keep in mind if you allow people to act like assholes in the way Recal did over the course of several threads, other people may as well. So don't be shocked when you see posts of a similar nature like the one from Poptart that Famov wanted to tag.

Besides, if there was indeed no problem in your eyes then it wouldn't have made a difference whether or not I kept replying. And to me it's basically the same. The problem will still have existed regardless of whether I kept replying.

Edited October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium

Maybe we should start a petition for mods who don't enforce their own rules to be removed.

Not sure why both of you are blaming Knuckles for getting trolled. Once he started complaining about it is when you should have put a stop to it. You wouldn't even tell Recal to stop peppering his posts with insults—isn't this what's supposed to change? We were promised change from you and Famov.

Edited October 3rd by poptart!

We could start a petition against Famov and Arch over this.

And if we do, tensions will flare, the argument over Recal and Knux will basically continue, and Knux will continue to get riled up and anxious. So you really think it's worth it for a petition that probably won't go through?

Because the alternative is trying to de-escalate move on to more constructive topics.

Posted October 3rd by Agis
Agis
 

Famov may just be saying what he believes to be true in this instance but during the election he started to seem to talk a bit nasty about me. It seems kind of like he's trying to pretend like he doesn't dislike me.

I don't dislike you. Gtx0 has been more accommodating to you than just about anywhere else ever would be; the World forum under Arch and myself most of all. We have tried to work with all of the difficulties you've had with this community over the years because we know that this is your "home" as much as it is ours. It's something that means a great deal to me, if you wanted to know my feelings on the matter.

But there is a problem here. We have had some variation on this exact conversation numerous times before. Only we were trying to resolve a conflict between you and #85. Or was that Psygnosis, poptart, S.O.H., Smiling Apple, or Temerit? Not to be too on the nose with this, and I'll grant that not all of these situations were identical, but generally speaking the problem isn't everyone else. I am left with the sense that if I were to put you in a room with just about anyone long enough you would find some way to end up with hurt feelings.

When we advise that you walk away from a series of interactions that isn't working for you in some way, it's not that you're being blamed for anything. But you are responsible for the part you play in these interactions, as are we all in our own. Recal was teasing you, but it was pretty good-natured as these things go and it's not as if you were better behaved than he was. Read the thread from the start (as I have a couple times now) if you want evidence of that.

There another issue though, and it's this thread. There's a reason the Complaints forum no longer exists, and it wasn't so that we could transplant those conversations over to Feedback. You routinely make threads here that aren't appropriate and mimic the sort of problematic content that the scrubbing of Complaints was meant to resolve. If you're worried about fostering toxicity, consider the role these threads play in that. For this reason (and this is where I reluctantly bring out the "bad cop") I will be tagging these sorts of threads on sight in the future. Please don't make them.

Thankfully the report function is terrific and gives you all the tools you need to make us aware of content that ought to be looked at. The red notification at the top of the page is impossible to miss and I am here most days, even if only a for a few minutes. With respect to World you can have a reasonable expectation that Arch or I will address any issue either that day or the next, which for the amount of activity we have here is acceptable most of the time. For ongoing issues that need immediate attention we have the rest of the team. Most of them leave World well enough alone on matters of judgement, but Count Dooku has stepped in in our absence more times than I can count and I will stand by anything he does.

Of course, just because you report something doesn't mean that we will necessarily agree with you. Yesterday, neither of us did. If and when that happens, I ask (as graciously as I can) that you accept our decision. Please don't start throwing out @Xhins trying to get a different result. That goes for you as well, pop. And again, if you resort to making threads like these I will remove them.

I owe you the opportunity to respond, but after that I will be locking the thread.

Posted October 3rd by Famov

I'm surprised that you think Recal was being so good-natured, Famov. I understand what you're saying about patterns of behavior, but I thought Recal was really condescending and heavy-handed with the personal insults. Moreso than Knok, who was maybe overly aggressive but less personally insulting. I do agree w/ Vandy's general advice, Knok. I don't think Recal is just a troll, but to me he was being a huge douche. I don't know if that's lock/tag-worthy, or if that behavior should be considered "unacceptable," but I guess I'm appalled that adults apparently act like that, first of all, and second of all that it's just considered "good-natured teasing." I know I'm not a mod, but just wanted to express my opinion so that you might know if others viewed the conversation differently. Hopefully we can all move forward.

Posted October 3rd by Ophelia

^I agree with every piece of this. Way to word it!

Posted October 3rd by Fox Forever

Th3 answer is simple. We ban the troll and those who engage with the troll .


ill be waiting for my check.

Posted October 3rd by S.o.h
S.o.h
 

I don't dislike you. Gtx0 has been more accommodating to you than just about anywhere else ever would be; the World forum under Arch and myself most of all. We have tried to work with all of the difficulties you've had with this community over the years because we know that this is your "home" as much as it is ours. It's something that means a great deal to me, if you wanted to know my feelings on the matter.


What have you actually done though on your own without other staff or an election telling you that you need to get involved? You use examples in the posts below but none of them seem to be examples of anyone you were willing to help with ever or situations you were willing to do much if anything about.

I would like to take you at your word but I kind of doubt it. I can at least believe it's not personal and you don't have a personal problem with me and maybe your line of work and your outlook can put you at odds with me which may lead you to say some rather... nasty things that start to sound personal in some moments but I don't recall you doing much in my favor.

But there is a problem here. We have had some variation on this exact conversation numerous times before. Only we were trying to resolve a conflict between you and #85. Or was that Psygnosis, poptart, S.O.H., Smiling Apple, or Temerit? Not to be too on the nose with this, and I'll grant that not all of these situations were identical, but generally speaking the problem isn't everyone else. I am left with the sense that if I were to put you in a room with just about anyone long enough you would find some way to end up with hurt feelings.


I don't think even half of those people would deny that they were problematic at some point though. It's not just me, that's another consistent in this. Perhaps the other consistent is that I don't take it as well as some people but if you think it's always just me overreacting to nothing at all you're very wrong.

I'm not even the only person to say or imply this either. The community especially in that subforum has a problem. Yes people aren't always being that way and yes sometimes I may be getting the wrong impressions but you can't pretend like those people have always been angels either. A lot of the time they were doing something. And I'm sure I had a valid reason in all of those cases at least at some point.

And really it's not always just "hurt feelings". For example when SA started getting all crazy about his "victim blaming" accusations which encompassed way too many people and tbh seemed ridiculous and I called him out on that only to find that I was also one of these supposed "victim blamers" according to him it seemed. I don't remember the details but I remember it was really ridiculous. It also got rather insulting to them and it was really annoying.

When we advise that you walk away from a series of interactions that isn't working for you in some way, it's not that you're being blamed for anything. But you are responsible for the part you play in these interactions, as are we all in our own. Recal was teasing you, but it was pretty good-natured as these things go and it's not as if you were better behaved than he was. Read the thread from the start (as I have a couple times now) if you want evidence of that.


When I said "blame" I more meant that you seemed to be implying I was doing something wrong when you said that I have a problem with all teasing and Recal wasn't really and thus it seems like I'm the only one at fault according to you, thus blaming.

And once again, that clearly isn't true. It clearly wasn't good natured teasing.

Read the thread from the start (as I have a couple times now) if you want evidence of that.


And yet you don't seem to care about some of the context of that and what they said in previous threads and their similar tone from when they were being actually insulting. I don't know how you could see it that way but I could read it over 5 times and I still wouldn't see what you're seeing.

There another issue though, and it's this thread. There's a reason the Complaints forum no longer exists, and it wasn't so that we could transplant those conversations over to Feedback. You routinely make threads here that aren't appropriate and mimic the sort of problematic content that the scrubbing of Complaints was meant to resolve. If you're worried about fostering toxicity, consider the role these threads play in that. For this reason (and this is where I reluctantly bring out the "bad cop") I will be tagging these sorts of threads on sight in the future. Please don't make them.


If nothing is being done whatsoever what choice do I have? There are things that need to be said or clarified and that needs to be done somewhere where it can actually be seen rather in the clutter of a huge thread. With that said I will continue to make them as needed and fuck that if you insist on doing that (as if it wasn't obvious where your interests are anyway)

Thankfully the report function is terrific and gives you all the tools you need to make us aware of content that ought to be looked at. The red notification at the top of the page is impossible to miss and I am here most days, even if only a for a few minutes. With respect to World you can have a reasonable expectation that Arch or I will address any issue either that day or the next, which for the amount of activity we have here is acceptable most of the time. For ongoing issues that need immediate attention we have the rest of the team. Most of them leave World well enough alone on matters of judgement, but Count Dooku has stepped in in our absence more times than I can count and I will stand by anything he does.


Ya it's terrific in that I can report something and you can do nothing about it even though it's technically rule-breaking and is problematic. There's a reason why I often don't bother unless it's something like Jubei because I know you won't do anything about it. Which is why this thread exists: to show you that it is a problem. Or at least get someone else who won't ignore it to notice it. You seemed fairly intent on ignoring it anyway.

Of course, just because you report something doesn't mean that we will necessarily agree with you. Yesterday, neither of us did. If and when that happens, I ask (as graciously as I can) that you accept our decision. Please don't start throwing out @Xhins trying to get a different result. That goes for you as well, pop. And again, if you resort to making threads like these I will remove them.


This basically translates to "we will do things our way. Unless another staff steps in regardless of if they are even looking our judgement is absolute". And again, if I see a need to make a thread I will. Because like Poptart said earlier it clearly seemed like you both were rather intent on ignoring it just like other times. and what do you know as usual your stance on it shows I was right. And if you were only going to go after Poptart that's a different problem in and of itself.

Edited October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium

I don't think Recal is just a troll,


Didn't say they are in fact I kind of doubt it. But they were being one. But ya I already answered why I kept responding.

Edited October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium

But ya Famov I DO recall the times you stuck up for me during a ban and such even if not for what I would say was quite the right reason. And the times you went after those random names and such. But because of your examples I was thinking of those people instead. I'm grateful for that now that I remember it but in those sort of situations, in these sort of situations I don't think you've done much.

And when you want to target people like Poptart but not Recal then there is a whole new problem especially if no one is going to after Recal. You really think that Poptart would appreciate that?


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As for that petition idea it sounds like the sort of thing that would fall outside of what Xhin would be willing to allow.

Posted October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium

Ya that's the most annoying part probably. Can't even @. Like, that just seems like you don't want others possibly seeing something wrong that he doesn't. Ugh.

Posted October 3rd by KnokkelMillennium
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